Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Jon's defense mechanism for being stomped on is to laugh and go "oh, ok haha" in some sad attempt to make it seem like he can't even be bothered to respond and correct the record.
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JonTron (youtuber) speaks against demographic "invasion" of America by nonwhites
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Death Penalty
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Couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that JonTron is at least getting backlash on popular sites like reddit gives me some small scrap of hope, though, that maybe there might be a real movement towards disallowing this sort of bigotry so casually.
Booker Dewitt
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Isn't Jontron the reason why Hila could live in the US? Or am i remembering incorrectly.
Did you not see what he said? He's a racist. Not a clever one who wraps his views in libertarian economic arguments or other deflections. The things JonTron has said... they're like KKK or Neo-Nazi level of explicitness. There's zero ambiguity in what he said.
The Lamonster
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It's weird to me that you're comparing the PDP controversy with this one.
Plenty of great discussion in the threads about it.
Relaxed Muscle
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psychowave
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This argument is by the way not only horrifyingly racist but also, for what it's worth, scientifically false. We should strive to breed with people of different ethnicities because it helps keep genetic diseases at bay.
Rushersauce
Banned
How does he hates SJW and feminists? Care to point it out? And don't bring man spreading and Hugh Mungus, please. I'm legit curious so I can drop it too.
I feel like this should be the official NeoGAF stance on JonTron from here on forward.
Oh shit, i had totally forgotten about that statement! hah, total woooosh moment for me.
Vital Tundra
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To be fair there was a valid reason to defend PDP.
SmackAttack
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Getting more and more pissed off as I listen. Flat out insanity.
As an aside, is there a link or anything for the 2 refugees out of the 800,000 or whatever number Destiny said that were arrested? Would link something to show my dad who says all of them are bad people and I can't do a search atm.
Nope, I am not saying that criticism shouldn't be made. Calling someone a racist is not open to dialogue or debate.It shuts down conversation.
Lol. Did you watch the video? He is a racist.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Is he entitled to a conversation?
This is thst whole "being called a racist is worst than being a racist" garbage.
Stop.
He can lose the label by educating himself and coming to the table with a real apology.
Racism is quantum locked for a reason after all!
It only shuts down the conversation if the person doesn't have a rhyme or reason to defend himself. Because if they are just legitimately a racist, there shouldn't be further discussion. Racism is never okay.
DorkLord54
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Bruh, people aren't calling him racist to shut down conversation. We're calling him racist causes he's making racist talking-points.
Its amazing, this guy can spew his shit about immigration and how non-whites are just more criminal, but don't call him a racist you might ruin his reputation.
TurboKiller
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Have you actually seen what he has said? That shit is not open for debate. It was straight up bigotry.
That's...not why people are calling him a racist 👀
Stop trying to turn racist into an empty insult. It's a descriptive term. It's absolutely up for debate. Is the person promoting racist ideas or acting based on racial motivations? If you can demonstrate that they aren't, wow, they aren't a racist anymore.
In this case, it's "not open to dialogue or debate" because what JonTron has spouted is Nazi-ass super racism (+10 damage to nonwhites) and dialogue or debate trying to present it as anything is else is inevitably going to be disingenuous and ridiculous.
Imp the Dimp
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Jon is 100% racist. It's not racist tendencies, it's quite accurately Stormfront-level racism. If you are afraid of foreigners diluting your gene pool, then I'm afraid there is little debate to be had.
Chie Satonaka
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I came back to this thread expecting to see some lost sponsorships and denouncements from other prominent youtubers.
Is that just not happening (yet)?
Is that just not happening (yet)?
Fucking right? To some people, the absolute worst thing you can call someone is racist.
HazySaiyan
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But what if they are racist?
Trickster
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Unless PDP said some really fucking insane shit I missed, what he did and have said is absolutely nothing next to what JonTron has been saying.
To be willing to defend JonTron is something completely different than being willing to defend PDP for his thing.
grim-tales
Member
Yeah, big fan too, I hope they don't think like that.
Don't forget what James went through with that Ghostbusters crap... ooooh boy.
Which video specifically? I Just Want to make sure I know which one you're referencing.
Dude.
This is a personality-based entertainer. Could you describe the problem with his audience turning away as a result of unpopular attitudes woven around his work? It's not an issue of an arbitrary label. It's about specific views that his audience potentially objects to. Attitudes about cultural and racial superiority. The artist's concern that the culturally superior group is being degraded by the presence of others. People rightfully find that disgusting.
Could you please explain why that's an unjust reaction? That's why people "want him to fail" after learning this. It's a sense of normal consequence. This isn't an unfair "scarlet letter" that comes from an uncharacteristic collection of comments made in passing from a huge backlog of social media statements. This is a multiple-hour debate where he argues the merit of those view in detail, leveraging his celebrity to actively promote them, and attempt to influence changes in law to those ends.
Dismissing a self-evident and easily substantiated point about someone's views (and most importantly, their social/legal lobbying) as merely a "label" is the most transparent of tactics.
It's in the op, with some annotation, but this is the best form of the video being discussed. You're giving the appearance of being insicere, the more I look back at your interactions in the thread. If you do the thing now where you nitpick a seemingly random moment from the video to counter a point, at odds with the obvious bulk of the points and statements from the video, you'll have played into those expectations perfectly.
I'm sure Audible will be cutting ties very soon.
mr teaspoon
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Oh please, he deserved everything he got.
FlutterPuffs
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If this is true civilisation in the United States would have ended a hundred years ago.
But hey, let's go back to the old times! Better yet, why not marry your cousins and siblings to maintain the strong and perfect Aryan genes!
Dude he got on Destiny's stream for a conversation so that he could rapid fire Stormfront talking points. If you think we can't call someone doing that a fucking racist who the fuck is a racist? It's like people want the label to go away while still representing every idea that brought it into existence.
Mattlikewhoa
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You'd think so, but there's quit a few suspect responses in this thread...
I'm just hoping that it's a "yet"... We will see if there's any fall out from all of this.
HazySaiyan
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Don't Amazon still have ads on Breitbart despite all the backlash? I doubt they give a fuck
I'm glad I unsubscribed from him a long time ago.
I always thought he was funny and only he could pull off the zaniness, in my opinion. But, there were always certain off-handed comments and jokes he'd make in the videos that really made me wonder if he might be racist. Just relatively subtle shit. I don't remember them, I just remember unsubscribing cause just going purely by his videos, I didn't feel comfortable continuing to watch him. I never bother with twitter or facebook or youtube comments and stuff like that, only his videos.
Honestly, not all that shocked.
I always thought he was funny and only he could pull off the zaniness, in my opinion. But, there were always certain off-handed comments and jokes he'd make in the videos that really made me wonder if he might be racist. Just relatively subtle shit. I don't remember them, I just remember unsubscribing cause just going purely by his videos, I didn't feel comfortable continuing to watch him. I never bother with twitter or facebook or youtube comments and stuff like that, only his videos.
Honestly, not all that shocked.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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im just tuning in to this thread.
yikes
welp, you had agood run
ripinpieces
yikes
welp, you had a
ripinpieces
Juniors gonna junior, and one person in here was already banned for suggesting this is just an "overreaction by liberals".
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