Article is misleading.
16 hours of data obtained from the mocap sessions, not 16 actual in-game hours of possible/different sex cutscenes.
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New The Witcher 3 Gameplay
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Article is misleading.
16 hours of data obtained from the mocap sessions, not 16 actual in-game hours of possible/different sex cutscenes.
Cave Johnson
Member
But are those rigid set-animations? I think the full-body physics would have potential of pulling in more unique animations even outside ND's implementation as it was stated similar to the Euphoria engine from R*.
They really can't think of a better way to introduce a female character that Geralt cares without a porn scene ?
"Through sex we have shown that this is a person who Geralt would be compelled to chase after if she went missing.
"We couldn't just tell you to go find someone you don't know or care about," he said. "It wouldn't work."
I mean CDPR is good at making games but this is laughable.
Probably the worst way to establish a female character is through making her a sex object.They just can't wrap their heads around making a decent female character :/
"Through sex we have shown that this is a person who Geralt would be compelled to chase after if she went missing.
"We couldn't just tell you to go find someone you don't know or care about," he said. "It wouldn't work."
I mean CDPR is good at making games but this is laughable.
Probably the worst way to establish a female character is through making her a sex object.They just can't wrap their heads around making a decent female character :/
eastx
Member
For one, they're not actually having sex when you meet her. It's after, basically.
Two, Europeans are generally less prudish about sex. The developers don't see nudity or sex as some bad or shameful thing. It's perfectly appropriate for the world they've created.
Then what about Ciri his daughter ?
I mean we gotta find her too..How will they introduce her ?
Messofanego
Banned
Witcher 2 was sex first too with Triss, so it all depends in how well rounded of a character Yennifer is in addition to that. I'm more concerned with the potential woman in fridge trope if Yennifer is absent from the game for a while.
A great recent AAA example with natural sex and romance which was initiated by the woman was Anya and Blazkowicz in Wolfenstein The New Order.
I amnot saying they shouldn't do any scenes.
But I just strongly disagree that Sex scenes are the best way to introduce a main character.
TW2 yennefer flashbacks were far more interesting for instance!
Triss was a fairly terrible character imo ,and I hope they don't constrain Yennefer into Brunette Triss...That would be disappointing.
Shes introduced in the prologue as well. Shes being trained as a Witcher.
schwabdizzle
Banned
This game comes out on my BDay....I'll probably get it.
WetTreeLeaf
Neo Member
What didnt you like about Triss? I liked her in both Witcher 1 and Witcher 2. There was the whole "rescue the princess" feel in TW2, but at the same time you could never trust her 100% and felt something was going on in the background.
Phillippa? Cynthia? Shani? White Rayla? SASKIA?
All I see in The Witcher series is interesting, complex, intriguing, strong and 'decent' female characters. Sure, there's also the whores, the oppressed, the ones who'll offer sex to be spared, but that's all part and parcel of the medieval-like setting.
The opening sequence with Yennefer isn't just going to be, "Hello > Sex > Now the audience knows Yen/Geralt are a couple" ... Of course there will be more to it, it's just the Developer breaking the sequence down to its most simplified form. I can almost guarantee that not only will there be plenty of dialogue in that sequence, but you'll probably realize more about Geralt/Yen's relationship just through the way they interact with each other, and then the sex will just 100% cement it. Also I heard in one preview you don't actually see the sex scene, it's just implied.
I know when I started The Witcher 2 the subtle element of "Oh these 2 guys probably had sex last night" was there, but it wasn't what made me realize Triss/Geralt were a thing, it was the way they spoke to each other, it was the basic interactions between the two and how "comfortable" they were together, and seeing her naked at the start just cemented that them being together was definitely what the situation was.
I 100% believe it won't be as shallow as it initially sounds.
The female characters in Witcher books and in Witcher games (even in W1) are complex, strong and deep.. one of the best when it comes to games... and what I have heard and read, Yennefer isn't introduce just with after sex scene and showing butt, but also there's a conversation between her and Geralt and overall everyone at all the previews events thought that it was a great moment and it presented well the relationship between the two.. man, in the books some sex scene are described in great detail - not even the games have such scenes.. intimate scenes can show how close two people really are - and that's how CD Projekt RED decided to show at first the relationship between Yennefer & Geralt.. nothing wrong with that
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
No idea if they're rigid or the exact process that they used to update their animation pipeline for Geralt but judging from gameplay videos the transitions look much better than the witcher 2 and the general animation quality is better. But remember, the original convo was about why Geralt's animations wouldn't look as good as Nathan Drake's and if he would have more. Which considering that W3 is an open world game with only one fully playable character throughout the campaign, is pretty likely. However since UC4 is more linear, it will undoubtedly have much better animation quality.
As other have said before, Yennefer isn't introduced via sex scene. Nudity=/=sex scene.
eastx
Member
Yes, they're having a conversation about how Geralt needs to hurry up and get over to his training session with Ciri. Geralt says he'd rather stay with Yennefer but she says they can spend more time together later.
It's almost like how real couples who are in love act - eeeww, they're even comfortable naked together. How shameful for characters to be depicted in that way.
You're acting like she's just there for sex, or do you really believe that she can't even hold a conversation with Geralt.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with introducing two characters/opening your game with a sex scene. Especially not, if they're in a relationship.
It's so weird to me seeing all those accusations of sexism in the Witcher series (outside of the cards from the first game), when the games feature some of the strongest female characters in gaming. Do some just automatically equate women having sex with sexism?
lol, come on, guy.
Yeah, if it was offensive im sure they would have been called on it. Even Kotaku praised it. From what Ive read of it it actually sounds more comical than sensual.
Dragon1893
Member
Man, I'm glad not everyone is jumping on the "OMG sex!" bandwagon. Good posts.
What's frustrating is that they have to write the games while taking into consideration all the background that people who haven't read the books don't know about.
I feel like I've known Geralt and Yen for years and a scene like this feels par for the course for them. On the other hand people unfamiliar with the books will be like "wow, I barely now this character yet and we're seeing a sex scene already?"
While for me this is a continuation of a very long string of events, most people will be caught off guard, because they feel that the relation between the characters hasn't evolved enough yet, while in reality it's the exact opposite.
Dragon1893
Member
Indeed.
A lot of people seem to do just that, as little sense as it makes.
Sorry, meant to edit.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Triss is actually a very badass and deep character. She was
a war hero, she saved Yennefer, she helped train Ciri.
She had a weakness, that is Geralt. Basically the girl is crazy for him but he is madly in love with Yen.
So yeah, overall Triss is awesome.
Mista
Banned
Incorrect. The studio took 16 hours of motion capture data for the scenes. Not 16 hours of the game has sex scenes.
Dragon1893
Member
Definitely.
Yen wouldn't react nicely to what happened in the previous games though. She knows Triss is crazy about Geralt and she tries to ignore that as much as possible because they're friends, but this is different. They've been in a steady relationship throughout the first 2 games. That is something Yen wouldn't ignore and CDPR should tackle that issue.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Heh, I wouldn't say they are friends, something close to that but not quite. They are more like 2 people with the same interests in mind, care about the same person, but also competing, frienemy?
If anything, I would like to see her give Geralt craps about all that affair because she knows Triss can't help it. Plus Yen already
threatened
Dragon1893
Member
There's potential for an awesome scene here.
WetTreeLeaf
Neo Member
Triss kinda does takes advantage of a Geralt who's not quite the same since losing his memory.
DomsPlaying
Member
Pre-ordered this a while back, my most anticipated game of 2015 by far!
(Partly because some of my other anticipated games don't have a release date yet lol but still this looks absolutely amazing)
(Partly because some of my other anticipated games don't have a release date yet lol but still this looks absolutely amazing)
i applaud their restraint
Teletraan1
Banned
That narrative might be valid if the companies themselves weren't putting out trailers and exclusive reveals that look better than the finished product. They set the expectation and when they don't live up to it it is nobodies fault but their own. People generally don't shit on graphics (as much) that were presented as you would eventually get them. We don't get these downgrade threads or this level of disparaging comments for the other 100s of games that avoid trying to wow you with a vertical slice. While there is nothing in that reveal that can't be achievable with today's hardware, they have shown nothing to that quality since. It is obvious to me that they couldn't put the amount of care and craftsmanship that they did in those vertical slices into every nook and cranny of this huge open world game and that is the big difference.
Dragon1893
Member
This ridiculous 16 hour sex scenes rumor really needs to stop. I still can't believe that some people actually interpreted that information like that, it's beyond ridiculous.
How is the article misleading? They specifically point out the difference.
The post you quoted was misleading, if anything.
DudeWithNoName
Member
Holy shit, I can hardly wait. The perfect game to scratch my Elder Scrolls itch. Looks amazing.
Cave Johnson
Member
Not only that but it seems ND is pulling all stops to making the transitions as fluid as possible. I'm pretty sure that's going to take more than just X defined set animations as you need something to fill in the "blanks" - that possibly being the inverse-kinematics or full body physics systems. Question is however, is how diverse such systems are because if it's procedural than ND has almost a near infinite way of interacting in the environment whether it be falling, fighting, climbing, rolling etc.
They must have edited it, they initially didn't have that link to the Twitter post. (Actually I think they edited more to add in "data" to parts of the title & article, pretty sure that wasn't there either - it was definitely misleading before).
Dragon1893
Member
Let's be honest here (and keep in mind that ND and CDPR are 2 of my top 3 studios). If I was doing a linear game that only has a fraction of the size and depth and with a bigger budget to boot, I'd make damn sure to at least beat contemporary open world games in the animation department. This comparison is completely unfair and I'm not even sure where it came from. Did anyone hold Skyrim to Uncharted 2's animation standard? Come on...
Cave Johnson
Member
You're neglecting the source of this debate is whether or not TW3 has more animations than UC4 as Crossing Eden used Unity (another open-world game) as the benchmark, ironic considering your stance.
jim2point0
Banned
Are these both from the same build of the game? Or is one of them an old shot vs a new shot?
They are both from Monday's event so I assume its the same build.
I'm 99.9% certain all the downgrade talk boils down to that.
The first shot looks like it's midday on an overcast day, of course it looks duller. People expect everything to look like some super high contrasted shiny mess with tons of bloom everywhere all the time or something. Like the shot to the right, which looks like it's taken around dusk day.
(Evident by the shadows going the opposite way in the two shots even)
Okay I have to admit Philippa was freaking great.
Well Philippa and Sile DeTansarville.
I just don't want Yennefer to be "Geralt's sexy lackey".
Philippa ,Sile and Saksia really are good female characters but they're not as important as Triss or Yennefer as main characters and Gerlat's companions.
Ok Triss has the "babe" role but I hope Yennefer is more unique or different from her as a supporting female character that is close to the player.
Bioware should take notes.
Love some of their titles but absolutely loathe their refusal to implement day/night cycle and weather effects, citing loss of narrative/directorial control over cutscenes, and story experiences.
Disallow certain things at ridiculous times of day, like a business meeting at 3am. And move on, the positives far outweigh the negatives of a perpetual world state. Inquisition is a lovely title, probably my favorite game from last year - but i know I would have enjoyed the countless hours I spent in the Hinterlands even more if the goddamned time of day wasn't fixed in some forever clear skies noon.
I look at this comparison shot and i see freedom, variety, and immersion.
Sorry if thats semi-off topic
I'm not sure if I've missed an interview or something here, but I'm almost certain the developer who said that was referring to the decision to make Ciri a playable character so that players could see things from her perspective and have more motivation to find her when playing as Geralt.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Think this should be used as an example whenever says that a lighting change=downgrade. And does this mean that story quests can take place during a different time of day?
I think yes.. they have dynamic day/night/weather cycle system in the game, so why not.. but some missions I assume you need to do in at the appointed time for story reasons
Mista
Banned
Yes most probably!