soundahfekz
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I got my bet that "panic Nintendo" becomes the "secret ps3 game" of this upcoming gen
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NPD January 2013 Sales Results [Up7: Wii U 57K (CNET), Vita ~35K, PS3 201K]
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I got my bet that "panic Nintendo" becomes the "secret ps3 game" of this upcoming gen
Aquamarine
Member
The market was also a lot smaller 11 years ago.
Wii U selling 55K in 5 weeks...when the Gamecube sold 59K in 4 weeks...confirms that Nintendo seriously fucked up here with the launch.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I find it hard to believe the number because if it's true that's legit treading on dead water.
The Power Of Snap
Member
Dreamcast had 1 million consoles sold after 3 months.
http://news.cnet.com/Dreamcast-sales-hit-1-million-in-North-America/2100-1040_3-233527.html
http://news.cnet.com/Dreamcast-sales-hit-1-million-in-North-America/2100-1040_3-233527.html
Being completely realistic, the best case somewhat realistic scenario for Nintendo and Wii U owners are first party games and niche Japanese stuff. Western support is 100% gone, besides possibly already in development titles.
I don't even know, late ports?
And? The market clearly doesn't want Wii U. I don't think sales will be above GameCube even if they dropped the price to $150 and launch all their software this fall till next year. What is Nintendo supposed to do then? They can't survive on first party games a shoe gen again like game cube
It will sell somewhat at that price but yes software is needed.
Also I really dont think it was a good idea to call it the WiiU.
DR2K
Banned
No they can't.
Baki
Member
Yeah the problem here is definitely software.
They need to take every measure they can to secure a strong line-up as soon as it can come out.
That might still be a while from now, but once it starts coming, they want to make sure it doesn't have any droughts.
cesariatic
Neo Member
I love my Wii U and this depresses me if the numbers are true.
Baconsammy
Banned
Should have called it the PS4 and tricked you into buying one. =)
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That seems to imply software sales.
maverick40
Junior Member
The gamecube was making a profit for Nintendo though. The wii u is not.
I've been upset for a while. I haven't turned on the damn thing in weeks.
Version 3.0
Member
No. When they cut the price, it'll be at the same time as some game releases. And there aren't any worth mentioning for a while.
CosmicQueso
Member
That is the only option, yes. They pulled out a bit of a miracle with the 3DS, they better start dusting off that script right quick.
Graphics Horse
Member
Nope, they're too focused on not losing any more money for now. Bundles maybe.
They can't afford this thing selling the way it is now, but they cannot afford to lose $100+ per unit on this device. That kind of money would be much better invested elsewhere.
metalslimer
Member
For people blaming the economy, consoles dying, etc. I want to know who exactly was supposed to be buying the Wii U right now?
PS3/360 owners? Worse online, no achievements/trophies, worse multiplats, no showstopped graphically, online communities barely existent.
Expanded market from the Wii? After Nintendo basically abandoned the Wii, expensive console, expensive expanded market games (Nintendoland at 60 dollars really?)
The Wii is enough for most people. The truth is that we all though NSMBU would be enough to save the console, but what is the incentive to drop 360-410 dollars for NSMBU when there is no real reason to own it? There is honestly just no real good reason to drop the money on the console unless you are a real hardcore fan as we're seeing that last for about a good month and half
If the PS4/720 launch with the same shit lineup with multiplats looking worse or no change, no big 1st party games, and horrendous marketing they will fail too
PS3/360 owners? Worse online, no achievements/trophies, worse multiplats, no showstopped graphically, online communities barely existent.
Expanded market from the Wii? After Nintendo basically abandoned the Wii, expensive console, expensive expanded market games (Nintendoland at 60 dollars really?)
The Wii is enough for most people. The truth is that we all though NSMBU would be enough to save the console, but what is the incentive to drop 360-410 dollars for NSMBU when there is no real reason to own it? There is honestly just no real good reason to drop the money on the console unless you are a real hardcore fan as we're seeing that last for about a good month and half
If the PS4/720 launch with the same shit lineup with multiplats looking worse or no change, no big 1st party games, and horrendous marketing they will fail too
Not cool Aku, not cool at all.
This. Nintendo banked on the Wii name and brand and then proceeded to ignore that brand for two years, all the while not having any top tier HD software ready for launch.
HamSandwich
Member
Remember when everyone was proclaiming the 3DS was dead in the water?
I hate the system, but I will buy it on day one of a Smash or Zelda release.
I'd be willing to bet a lot of you would too.
I hate the system, but I will buy it on day one of a Smash or Zelda release.
I'd be willing to bet a lot of you would too.
shinra-bansho
Member
This cannot be spun on marketing and price alone.
Crying Baby $599 sold almost 5x more in Jan 2007 competing against the Wii and 360.
SolarPowered
Member
Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda, but I'm starting to feel like an HD remake of Melee with 1080p, a full fledged online featureset(done by Namco) at $40 on disc and digital would have been a better choice.
Version 3.0
Member
I asked the same thing when the Wii launched. The answer is: not giving a shit about their home consoles so they can properly support their portables.
Saving the 3DS
Baconsammy
Banned
Miiverse. it's a social revolution.
You kinda get the impression Nintendo knew this shitstorm was coming when they said last holiday season was all about the 3DS. A weird thing to say when you're launching a new console.
To anyone who kept telling people that WiiU was doing fine because it sold almost as much as Wii did in Wii's first two months, yes. They were also annoying. I didn't want to use such strong language, but since you put those words into my mouth, okay. Works for me. It's incredible they ignored how the Wii couldn't be found on shelves for almost 18 months. The demand was incredible. Wii U had supply on shelves after a couple weeks. And yet the spinners only talked about how well it was doing since it sold just a little less than the original Wii. All while ignoring basic supply/demand principles that clearly showed WiiU have a disastrous start.
There there, Nintendo just has to come to their senses and lower the price and the casual Calvary will arrive.
Stop kidding yourself. When Nintendo releases Mario Kart 8/next 3D Mario/Retro's game this fall, we'll look back in horror at how badly it sold. And it'll have a successful life.
The combination of these two really gets me.
Like, what were they doing during all that time on the console front?
I get the 3DS needed software, but still.
toddhunter
Member
one sec...
Kenny Blankenship
Neo Member
i could see them cutting the price as soon as ps4/720 announce theirs. Worked perfectly for the 3ds against the vita
DeuceGamer
Member
Not going to dispute he has a share of blame, but as bad as it's failing there is more then enough blame. I'm not sure how it was marketed in other region's but I do know how it was poorly marketed in the US.
Reggie is at fault, though he's clearly not alone. No disputing that.
Agree and as others pointed out above he shouldn't be alone in the unemployment line.
Realistically I think the only thing they can do short-term is somehow start crazy cranking out GC/GBA releases on the thing. I know I sure as fuck would consider buying one if I could grab say Paper Mario GC/etc + a price drop. I don't think they can throw together any retail stuff that fast though, seems like all of their first part stuff outside of Pikmin or maybe some small downloadable game is next year or later.
Well obviously, the problem is that Smash is likely next year at the earliest and Zelda is likely holiday 2014, if that even. None of that helps the system in the Year of Our Lord 2013 A.D.
Well obviously, the problem is that Smash is likely next year at the earliest and Zelda is likely holiday 2014, if that even. None of that helps the system in the Year of Our Lord 2013 A.D.
Is that a somewhat good outing for Ni No Kuni? I don't think they needed AAA sized returns in order to be success right?
Oh and holy shit Nintendo. I hope they pull through, I would hate to see them disappear.
I would be surprised if Namco and Level 5 weren't happy with the numbers; JRPGs that don't have Final Fantasy or Pokemon in the title are still hard sells, even in dead months like January, and I can't imagine that Ni no Kuni was more expensive to localize than a Tales game.
i wonder if a price drop + NSMBU pack-in would help...
the NES took off mostly because SMB was a pack-in and similarly, the Wii took off thanks to the Wii Sports pack-in. the Wii U not having something of that caliber is the biggest problem since Nintendoland doesn't have the draw of the former two.
the NES took off mostly because SMB was a pack-in and similarly, the Wii took off thanks to the Wii Sports pack-in. the Wii U not having something of that caliber is the biggest problem since Nintendoland doesn't have the draw of the former two.
Haha.
Is that a somewhat good outing for Ni No Kuni? I don't think they needed AAA sized returns in order to be success right?
Oh and holy shit Nintendo. I hope they pull through, I would hate to see them disappear.
I really am curious about how much Ni No Kuni cost to develop. That game has a lot of love poured into it, and the Studio Ghibli partnership couldn't have been TOO cheap. It's got gorgeous animated scenes, a lush and colorful art style, a ton of content, a huge number of character models, etc. I can't imagine #7 on Single SKU and bombing in Japan is enough to prop it up into sequel territory... but who knows
OddOne said:
Pretty much confirms the 55k number if accurate; that'd indeed be 'well under' that #.
As to Wii U, what can Nintendo actually do? Nintendo Direct Wii U announcements was awesome, but which of those games are going to change the position the system is in? Nintendo keeps relying on Mario, Mario and Mario and people already know what to expect there; Gamecube had Mario too and it didn't change anything if people didn't want the system itself. Nintendo needs to take a few brand new hardcore/casual IPs and market them as hard as they would a main Mario title or Wii Sports, and try to establish some new cornerstones for their portfolio. They're obviously out of gimmicks that appeal to the mass market and Mario won't do it alone.
Baki
Member
Its the same kind of crazy Japanese management that plagued the PlayStation division early on. It's probably much worse at NoJ.
Yeah that would fit with what we calculated.