3DS emergency surgery? Complete inability to develop for HD?
I have no doubt that launching the 3DS hurt, but they have to have had huge development issues.
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NPD January 2013 Sales Results [Up7: Wii U 57K (CNET), Vita ~35K, PS3 201K]
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3DS emergency surgery? Complete inability to develop for HD?
I have no doubt that launching the 3DS hurt, but they have to have had huge development issues.
Oh all the wasted hours this would have produced.....
Apophis2036
Banned
I would say they need a Wii Fit esque phenomenon for Wii like numbers yes but IP's like Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda ect will always guarantee that they sell around 20 million consoles in a generation.
I definitely think the Premium console would sell at $250, $350 is outrageous for what it is and what it currently offers imo.
Black Republican
Member
forreal? link?
I might say wait until the big Wii U software hits, but nothing on the horizon has much potential for mainstream success. Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 are not the kind of games that will spur consoles sales. They don't need niche games right now, they need the heavy hitters.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Just imagine the global numbers that would've been dropping onto Yves Guillemot's desk last month, far more indepth than what we have access to. If Europe's figures weren't eye opening enough, now the US also.
This is why the suits call the shots, even so late in the dev process (which was still shitty but tough decisions). Rayman Legends would have been bargain bin fodder for a full half a year before any chance to recoup anything positive out of such a disaster.
I can't even imagine what Feb's numbers are going to provide. We're already lower than the Gamecube's worst ever.
This is why the suits call the shots, even so late in the dev process (which was still shitty but tough decisions). Rayman Legends would have been bargain bin fodder for a full half a year before any chance to recoup anything positive out of such a disaster.
I can't even imagine what Feb's numbers are going to provide. We're already lower than the Gamecube's worst ever.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Really, Nintendo needs to hit it big with some sort of huge promotion--SOMETHING to get people to buy it now. What that promotion could be, though, I have no idea.
Total access to the entire Virtual Console catalog? Guarantee a free game later this year?
I'll say this, though--this furthers my belief that the Wii U is a transitional console and we see a powerful (noticeably better than Durango/Orbis) one released in 2016 or 2017.
Total access to the entire Virtual Console catalog? Guarantee a free game later this year?
I'll say this, though--this furthers my belief that the Wii U is a transitional console and we see a powerful (noticeably better than Durango/Orbis) one released in 2016 or 2017.
Version 3.0
Member
Add in the option to turn off "up to jump", and I'll buy 2 additional Wii U's out of sheer happiness.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Holy Crap, i remember a poster in the prediction thread saying 90k would be horrible.
Fuck, this is real bomba territory here.
Heads will roll at nintendo, specifically NOA.
Fuck, this is real bomba territory here.
Heads will roll at nintendo, specifically NOA.
maquiladora
Member
55k? Holy shit....
MikeE21286
Member
I ardently disagree that Mario Kart and Smash Brothers will elevate the WiiU sales to great levels.
During the N64, and moreso on GameCube, Smash Bros and Mario Kart sold very well. They, obviously as pointed to by where the GameCube finished that generation, weren't huge system sellers though. They sold to the base Nintendo consumer that buys a Nintendo system
The reason those games hit ridiculous sales levels on the Wii was because they had a much larger and broader audience to sell to that was brought in by the Wii remote, and Wii sports specifically.
Right now the WiiU is selling to the base Nintendo consumer. That group of people have not transitioned from the Wii, and it looks exactly like it did back during GameCube.
Those games will not save The WiiU.
During the N64, and moreso on GameCube, Smash Bros and Mario Kart sold very well. They, obviously as pointed to by where the GameCube finished that generation, weren't huge system sellers though. They sold to the base Nintendo consumer that buys a Nintendo system
The reason those games hit ridiculous sales levels on the Wii was because they had a much larger and broader audience to sell to that was brought in by the Wii remote, and Wii sports specifically.
Right now the WiiU is selling to the base Nintendo consumer. That group of people have not transitioned from the Wii, and it looks exactly like it did back during GameCube.
Those games will not save The WiiU.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
55k is unambiguously and unprecedentedly disastrous.
Outside of Monster Hunter suddenly becoming a must have title outside of Japan for some reason, I don't know what they can do to fix it at this point either.
A price cut won't help, and you can't just release software that doesn't exist.
Outside of Monster Hunter suddenly becoming a must have title outside of Japan for some reason, I don't know what they can do to fix it at this point either.
A price cut won't help, and you can't just release software that doesn't exist.
Wow, OK.
shinra-bansho
Member
I guess that confirms it.
Also, lol at the bottom of that IGN story: We'll update when Sony releases info. So... never?
Glorified G
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EmCeeGramr
Member
Iwata and Miyamoto watched The Producers back in 2010 and are on their way to Rio right now
Duxxy3
Member
Fire upper management. This is two launches they have completely fucked up after being dominant with their previous attempts. Start at the top and work down. Yamauchi may need to takes the reigns back temporarily.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This is exactly the question I want answered.
Version 3.0
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I've said this in other threads. Get the whole VC on there now, with off-screen support, and no "upgrade" fees for games you've already bought. It's the only thing they can do immediately. Actual new games take time.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
While the primary problem may be software, the price is definitely an issue as well. For a console that is perceived as underpowered by most people who care about these things, the price is just not at a sweet spot.
Unfortunately, because Nintendo decided to focus on the GamePad (as much as I like using it), they have created a situation where they really cannot drop the price. Though the console is underpowered, it still costs them a ton to produce, and has put them into a really awkward position. Do they ditch the GamePad altogether, drop the price, and focus on putting out a constant stream of quality software?
This would essentially be like what they did with the 3DS, where they completely backed off the 3D as a selling point, dropped the price a ridiculous amount, and started churning out software like it weren't no thang. I'm just not sure that even this strategy would work for a home console.
At this point, I hope that this isn't as indicative of larger trends in the industry as it feels like it is. There has never been another place where I could play games that was anything like a dedicated gaming console. Sadly, that experience may be dying off completely.
Baconsammy
Banned
They're moving to a handheld/console hybrid anyway. They might be moving a lot faster than anyone thought now.
yankeehater
Member
Yeah the name is just awful. I have had people laugh when I tell them that it is called Wii-U. It might be a small thing but I think it definitely hurts them. They should change it now to something cooler like Revolution.
Adam Blade
WWKC
I think people should have a 5150 out on WiiU-only owners for the next couple days or so at least...
Can Crusher
Banned
55k in a 5 week month....
I can smell the roast.
I can smell the roast.
timetokill
Banned
It is nuts, but not hard to understand.
I use the Wii U every day. But I use it for Netflix because I've pretty much played everything there is to play.
I was going to get Rayman but, well, we know what happened there.
I use the Wii U every day. But I use it for Netflix because I've pretty much played everything there is to play.
I was going to get Rayman but, well, we know what happened there.
It'll elevate it to the point of being a decently successful console. The GC failed because of its terrible software droughts, and very few notable games being released after 2004.
I feel the partnership thing they're doing now is smart, since it really is a way to fill in their line-up with third party resources, but it really would have benefited them so much more if they started 2 years ago.
They might have been able to win over more publisher hearts that way too by having them invested in the platform for quite some time by the time it launched.
It's not that simple anymore. I sadly don't think those games will help Wii U so much as you think they will. Look at the 3DS sales of those games, they are selling good but down compared to their predecessor.
Baki
Member
If 20M consoles is the barometer for success. Then yeah, sure, I can see Mario etc... pushing the WiiU to eventually meet this goal.
For any success beyond 20M, they need lightning in a bottle. Honestly, at this point, management needs a serious shake up. The entire digital eco system screams of a company living in the 90s.
MikeE21286
Member
Learning how to make HD games.
Going through the same growing pains the rest of the industry went through 8 years ago.
Baconsammy
Banned
Minecraft 2: Mining My Own Business
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
But they actually did help 3DS recover.
metalslimer
Member
If we want to look at the software for the 3DS as the reason Nintendo couldn't focus on Wii U then Nintendo is screwed because Wii U software will be much more resource sucking than 3DS games. I agree Nintendo at this points needs to move to the hybrid because they just don't have the resources to do 2. They barely could do Wii and DS and this is much harder.
Developing 3DS games?
Price drop probably won't do much until the Fall when presumably software will start flowing.
Wow. This thing is dead in the West 3rd party support wise.
Nintendo's only shot in North America is a Wii Sports like phenomenon.
Wow. This thing is dead in the West 3rd party support wise.
Nintendo's only shot in North America is a Wii Sports like phenomenon.
-Pyromaniac-
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I don't think software is the only problem, I just think the demographic they're aiming toward has moved on, BUT if we assume software is 100% the issue, it's easier said than done to have no droughts when you lack the 3rd party support.
Not saying it's hopeless but drastic measures will have to be taken place.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Wait until Smash 4!
TheGreyHulk
Member
only 55K... ouch... i guess the hardcore fans already got their console or they're waiting for more games. doesn't look like they'll be catching the mass market like the wii did.
i have mine.... but it doesn't get much use other than playing black ops 2 right now.
oh well
i have mine.... but it doesn't get much use other than playing black ops 2 right now.
oh well
Incendiary
Banned
The difference between the Wii and Wii U is that the Wii was a complete innovation. The motion controls were new and caught the attention of the family unity. Wii Sports was hella fun on its own and enough reason to get the Wii by itself. In addition, it released at what...$249? Compared to a $400 360 and a $500 PS3? Despite the doom-and-gloom analysis of the internet, looking back there's no surprise why the Wii completely dominated the market.
Compare that to the Wii U release atmosphere. A) It's innovation is a tablet controller, which makes it no different or more interesting than an iPad/Kindle/Nook/everything else on the market. B) Nintendoland is not the big package deal Wii Sports was. It may be a good game, but it's not the simple-yet-instant classic needed to really draw in consumers. C) It's releasing at $300/$350 in an atmosphere where the PS3/360 are either the same price or cheaper, and have a wide array of games. Nothing in its launch sets it apart from the competition. Honestly, even a strong launch line-up of games wasn't going to help. If Nintendo wanted to replicate the Wii's success, it had to be because of the main hardware standing out, not the games.
michaeltraps
Member
I'm not entirely sure the 3DS and WiiU comparison holds water anymore. Isn't the Wii U already selling at a loss? They can't possibly drop the price to an acceptable range without taking too large a hit - and I'm not entirely sure that would make a difference right now.
Truth is, people are excited and waiting for the next Xbox and PS and what the Wii U has to offer right now just isn't turning heads. Nintendo desperately needs the next 3D Mario or (more realistically) the next Smash to really hit where it needs to (and the latter is at LEAST 2 years away).
It's going to be very rough for the Wii U going forward, made only worse by the launch of the 2 new consoles this holiday. I will continue to love and play my Wii U, but the road will be bumpy.
Truth is, people are excited and waiting for the next Xbox and PS and what the Wii U has to offer right now just isn't turning heads. Nintendo desperately needs the next 3D Mario or (more realistically) the next Smash to really hit where it needs to (and the latter is at LEAST 2 years away).
It's going to be very rough for the Wii U going forward, made only worse by the launch of the 2 new consoles this holiday. I will continue to love and play my Wii U, but the road will be bumpy.
Then I guess Orbis and Durango are doomed as well unless they launch at $250 or less?
toddhunter
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MikeE21286
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