Sevenfold
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Breakout box is just there to piece together the half a frame sent down the USB and the half sent down the HDMI. The special sauce is because it's really difficult like splitting the atom only in reverse.
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Playstation VR comes with a powerful processing i.e. the break out box
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Breakout box is just there to piece together the half a frame sent down the USB and the half sent down the HDMI. The special sauce is because it's really difficult like splitting the atom only in reverse.
There should be at least two SKUs, one with just the Headset and the box (for those who already own the camera) at around 349, and another with camera and maybe a move controller at maybe 399. I expect the full price/release date reveal at PSX.
And yes, I am guessing
And this is a demo how 3D binaural audio sounds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA
And yes, I am guessing
And this is a demo how 3D binaural audio sounds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA
Insane Metal
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Holy shit, that's awesome.
I don't get it?
GT Sport is the only game announced that can sell 10 million, am I missing something?
UnwrittenZero
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I think the cam connects to it so you can use the back port for VR there are only so many USB ports on the ps4.
Yes they do. Oculus has a camera (and you get a second camera if you buy the oculus touch motion controllers), and Vive has their lighthouses which use lasers which the headset picks up
Blackleg-sanji1
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So 10 million makes a game mainstream? In that case uncharted isn't mainstream either. Nor is the last of us
Danlord
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The PS4 can do binaural audio without PlayStation VR, as we know that Hellblade, Ninja Theory's upcoming game is using binaural audio. It might not be as advanced but it is certainly much more impressive than standard audio processing for games.
Interesting. Whatever it takes for a great VR experience, I suppose.
ArkhamFantasy
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Is VR something that would drop in price pretty significantly over the course of a few years like a console does? Or does it not work like that?
If it launches at 400 dollars thats going to be a really tough sell for Sony.
If it launches at 400 dollars thats going to be a really tough sell for Sony.
UnwrittenZero
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Yeah but how much experience does oculus/Facebook have with publishing games? They could green light complete junk, you can have all the money in the world but if you publish shit it won't get you very far just ask sega.
Danlord
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I may be wrong so if anyone would correct me that's fine, but I think the 2 more expensive components for a VR solution like PlayStation VR is the OLED screen and the PSVR processing unit chip(s).
The Processing Unit's internal chip(s) can be made smaller through smaller fabrication processes. Currently the PS4's APU uses 28nm and improved fabs are using 20nm or even 14nm which would reduce the cost of silicon used and also lower the overall motherboard complexity in size and further offset some cost.
The OLED screen however I think is always going to be the biggest cost sink for PSVR simply because of how expensive (historically) OLED has been. Whether or not the economies of scale favour Sony for this, and/or they manage to license the tech out for such a thing to happen I don't know.
That's why they only expect it to sell around 1.5 million units in its first year.
I'm pretty sure those two games sold 10 million or are close to 10 million.
Anyway, right now we're just arguing the definition of mainstream, so let's just agree to disagree, I just think a game needs to sell more than the average 5 million every AAA game sells these days to be considered mainstream.
Didn't know Hellblade was doing that. That's cool as shit.
autoduelist
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A couple high profile games won't get most people to buy a PC + a VR solution in the same way that a couple high profile games might get people who already own a PS4 to decide to get a PSVR unit.
In case that isn't clear, what I'm saying is that I think the success of the VR market is greatly dependent on it being 'easy' to both buy, install, and play. The benefits of console are great here -- we know right now you'll be able to just buy a PSVR, plug it in, and it'll play any PSVR game with no significant fiddling, just like any PS4 game plays PS4 games.
That's really important to many people. I'm sure PC VR solutions would potentially provide a better experience given better PC hardware, but that requires all of the hurdles, both real and imagined, that come with PC ownership.
I know I'm not going to go out and buy a $1000 pc for any reason. But... I already have a PS4. Sony needs to [and clearly will attempt to] capitalize on the fact that anyone with a PS4 can get VR easily.
I don't think games matter as much as some do. Sure, you need some good ones. But GTA6 in PC VR still isn't going to get 'the mainstream' to go out and spend ~$1500 to get a PC + VR solution. It might get people who already own a PS4 to get a unit though... which has more mainstream potential than people who already own a powerful enough PC.
Yeah everytime something new about PSVR comes out I hear a scream in my head saying "wait for PS5's VR", especially considering that VR needs 60 frames to work and many games on PS4 struggle to hit that target in combination with expected graphical fidelity.
I want to get excited but realistically I won't be dipping my toes in the VR water for another five years or so.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Jason Rubin is the head of their first party publishing, I'd say he has some experience.
fastford58
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I'd be in for $400. I assumed it would be around that much. Might be a tough sell for higher though.
For more than that, I'd just bite the bullet and build an occulus rig.
For more than that, I'd just bite the bullet and build an occulus rig.
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So devs have to aim for 60fps @ 1080p minimum for PSVR games. Interesting.
It will be easier to decide when we have a list of each ones specs/games/price.
I do hope the PSVR is affordable though as that's the one that's most attractive to me atm but we'll see next year.
foolishoptimist
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It does somewhat hinge on how realistic your expectations are going in.
Sony have said numerous times to be expecting PS3 level graphics. And even then, I wouldn't expect top tier PS3 graphics.
ArkhamFantasy
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So basically, this can make a 30 FPS PS4 game (No mans Sky for instance) run on PSVR at 60 FPS?
gunslikewhoa
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They've been working on PSVR since 2010.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that nobody is discussing that because nobody cares. It's a box that goes with your gaming console. It's got wires.
Chris Metal
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Ahh the classic...
Always wanted to get the Binaural mic head to have a go at some sound design tests, I could probably make one, but just having one of these would be far more fun.
Danlord
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No Man's Sky is 60FPS by the way, and in theory asynchronous reprojection can 'upscale' any FPS to any higher target although that is not practical nor is it without (assumed) problems. The minimum target FPS for any VR game is native 60 and gets reprojected to 120hz, although the PS4 can handle native 90hz and native 120hz if the developer so chooses.
mugurumakensei
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no, games must run at least 60fps for psvr. Less than 90hz triggers PSVR's reprojection.
ArkhamFantasy
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Ahh, thank you.
MikeE21286
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Kinda figured since we saw the specs needed to run Oculus that this would need a separate box
Yep. This, all of this.
I've thought this right from the moment Sony proved that Morpheus would offer a competitive experience to what Oculus was doing with DK2 etc. It simply makes sense. High specced gaming PCs are just not that prevalent in the world. People don't have them unless they're gaming enthusiasts. They're usually in an office personal bedroom as well. The typical benefits of console gaming will only improve the chances for VR too on the PS4 platform. Looking to have nearly 40 million PS4s in the wild next year. That's 40 million consoles ready for plug and play VR. No fuss. VR needs solid as a rock setups, not ones left to the whims of users who may fiddle around and break their VR experience, detrimentally so.
With PS4 it just works. People are seriously underestimating how big a factor this will be. Even before that is the cost factor. VR will not go mainstream I f it requires everyone to have a powerhouse PC. Even if they get a VR ready build for £500 they're competing with a £300 console that can run VR very well. For most the PS4 option is the smarter one, even if they know the VR itself might be a touch inferior, it will be more than good enough to fundamentally amaze and astonish people to make them very content with their purchase and buy into the the PSVR ecosystem of games and experiences.
What the hell have you started op.. The madness running through this thread is..fascinating.. It doesn't stop
wanderingprostheyltite
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Ahh the classic...
Always wanted to get the Binaural mic head to have a go at some sound design tests, I could probably make one, but just having one of these would be far more fun.
Hope Chris Milk releases that binaural recorded Beck concert for the consumer headsets, sounds so cool.
copelandmaster
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1) No Man's Sky already runs at 60fps.
2) The box probably does not have its own dedicated GPU, but it is capable of having certain processes the PS4 can already handle offloaded to it to free up some resources on the console, as well as a few other features.
3) No, re-projecting 30 to 60 would be a visual nightmare. 60 to 120 works better, but comes with artifacts. The process just fills in missing visual data by blending frames together. It does not add any new visual information, hence why 120 native would be better.
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No, must be 60fps minimum, which can be reprojected to 120fps. 30 is just way too few frames to deliver a VR experience that would not make you sick.
No Mans Sky had a trailer released that was in 60fps... So I think the game is aiming for that on PS4.
Oh that sounds excellent (pun intended) - shame binaural audio mixes are largely ignored in gaming - least VR devices will demand that and it will be glorious
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I am actually very pleased that they are not focusing on industry-leading tech here.
Industry-leading isn't always viable or fiscally responsible.
I'm fine with letting Oculus Rift bankrupt the hell out of Mark Heisenberg over some "industry-leading tech".
When was No Man's Sky confirmed to be 60fps on PS4?
visiblemode
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$300 USD
That's my guess. Though, that has been my guess since the beginning, this info doesn't change my mind.
That's my guess. Though, that has been my guess since the beginning, this info doesn't change my mind.
Yep, that was exactly my takeaway as well.
Is there anything known on the connectors of this breakout box?
I think it must have at least 1 HDMI in (PS4) and 2 HDMI out ports (1 headset, 1 TV) so...
...would it theoretically be possible for the breakout box to use the reprojection tech on regular 30 fps games and output them at 60 fps to the TV (without VR features, obviously)???
I think it must have at least 1 HDMI in (PS4) and 2 HDMI out ports (1 headset, 1 TV) so...
...would it theoretically be possible for the breakout box to use the reprojection tech on regular 30 fps games and output them at 60 fps to the TV (without VR features, obviously)???
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