Frozenprince
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http://www.politifact.com/nevada/st...tions-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
And thus he did not go gently into that good night.
And thus he did not go gently into that good night.
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Politifact: Allegations of fraud and misconduct at NV convention unfounded
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balladofwindfishes
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http://www.politifact.com/nevada/st...tions-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
It's a huge article, so it's a little hard to pick out key quotes, but it goes through every major accusation of the NV convention that Bernie Sanders' campaign has put forth.
It's a huge article, so it's a little hard to pick out key quotes, but it goes through every major accusation of the NV convention that Bernie Sanders' campaign has put forth.
PhoncipleBone
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It's a conspiracy, and Politifact cannot be trusted now!
But it is nice to see the investigation done on this so we can hopefully put this bullshit to bed and move on. I am glad that they got this out so quickly.
But it is nice to see the investigation done on this so we can hopefully put this bullshit to bed and move on. I am glad that they got this out so quickly.
jack_package_200
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I hope this NV Convention conspiracy nonsense gets put to bed.
Christ this primary needs to fucking end.
It won't sadly.
Christ this primary needs to fucking end.
SolicitorPirate
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Literally anyone that doesn't worship at the feet of The Immaculate Bernie, Our Lord and Saviour, is The Establishment
NYCmetsfan
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Politifact is a well know member of the political fact checking establishment. I'll go on Facebook and listen to what the real truth is.
In all seriousness I can't believe a small conference in NV that wouldn't have changed anything is the hill some people want to die on.
In all seriousness I can't believe a small conference in NV that wouldn't have changed anything is the hill some people want to die on.
jack_package_200
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Thou shalt not not support Bernie.
Ignatz Mouse
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They don't. They want it to be the spark that catches fire. It riled up all of my facebook-Bernie friends quite a bit.
The endgame is Convention Chaos, if a win is not possible. I'm convinced.
Frozenprince
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;-;
Anyway before the throngs of what remains of Bernie supporters flock here to poke at the "lol hillGAF (of which I am not a member btdubs)" stick.
If Hillary had fostered the same thing, don't think you wouldn't want it on the front page of every news outlet in the world. Bernie is running on a platform of ideological and social purity. When it's becoming more apparent by the day that this was all a charade (for what I have no idea), that level of hypocrite needs to be shown and shamed.
Anyway before the throngs of what remains of Bernie supporters flock here to poke at the "lol hillGAF (of which I am not a member btdubs)" stick.
If Hillary had fostered the same thing, don't think you wouldn't want it on the front page of every news outlet in the world. Bernie is running on a platform of ideological and social purity. When it's becoming more apparent by the day that this was all a charade (for what I have no idea), that level of hypocrite needs to be shown and shamed.
Dash_Riprock
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Come on guys, you're scaring away the few Bernie people this site has left.
Too bad. I liked them, too.
Oh well. I guess /rsandersforpresident is the only legitimate place to get news.
Frozenprince
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Once again, proving my theory that these people don't actually give a shit about the country, they just want to be contrarian because they can.
Because this is how you get President Trump, and worse, 30+ years of a hyper conservative USSC.
ugaboga232
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I don't think hes a hypocrite just your average emotional (very old) human that doesn't run on pure transcendent thoughts. The truth is he's just another politician human, maybe more liberal and less tied to any industry but still a human which comes with anger, pride, and all those fun things.
HUELEN10
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I am not afraid, I stand with Sanders until the DNC reveals who is going to the general, Sanders or Clinton.
then you get to stand with trump
You changed your avatar!
DiscoJer
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Trump kept whining and whining and whining about Colorado (where Cruz had a ground organization and Trump didn't) and apparently it worked.
And LOL at thinking Trump would nominate a "hyper-conservative supreme court justice". We'd be more likely to see Judge Judy. I mean, seriously, a lot Republicans think they should take Obama's guy, sine he'd be better than anything Trump would nominate
And LOL at thinking Trump would nominate a "hyper-conservative supreme court justice". We'd be more likely to see Judge Judy. I mean, seriously, a lot Republicans think they should take Obama's guy, sine he'd be better than anything Trump would nominate
And if Clinton...?
Bam Bam Baklava
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He already put out a list of 11 people. Feel free to judge how conservative they are.
You guys...
Do NOT
Make this thread about Huelen not even 25 posts in, are you kidding me.
This is a serious, well-researched article that addresses all of the points and allegations that were brought up here, around the web, and by the Sanders campaign itself. It's crucial to understand what exactly happened in Nevada, and how the process played out.
Do NOT
Make this thread about Huelen not even 25 posts in, are you kidding me.
This is a serious, well-researched article that addresses all of the points and allegations that were brought up here, around the web, and by the Sanders campaign itself. It's crucial to understand what exactly happened in Nevada, and how the process played out.
Frozenprince
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So I take it you missed his list of presumptive noms today then?
The establishment will rally behind him. They have too, they know they have too, or they risk complete collapse.
SolicitorPirate
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At least Judge Judy was an actual Judge before her Tv show. I'm half expecting Chief Justice Kanye
jack_package_200
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Yep.
Anyone who dares disagree is a just a dirty establishment fraud democratic whore who is not a true progressive.
Obviously there are good Sanders supporters but the bad ones scream and dank meme over them.
Wait, I thought you were a Carson supporter turned Trump supporter?
PhoncipleBone
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Are there really accusations of shady shit on the board, or are you joking? I would believe it either way.
jack_package_200
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Kev's right.
Caucuses need to GTFO. They disenfranchise so many people.
Every state should follow oregon's model
The Technomancer
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Hoho for breakfast
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I don't know what your post is referring to but as a Sanders supporter, that much I can agree with.
Our voting system makes me never want to move to another state. It's so goddamn easy.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Yep. Sanders is just being petulant at this point. He can't win. If he actually cares about the country he'd end this farce and endorse Hillary so she can focus on dismantling Trump.
I hope this helps put away all the yells of fraud and voter suppression in Nevada. It just wasn't the case. Good on Polifact for doing a full write up on it, they also had people on the floor that day: "There’s little disagreement that the convention was chaotic. PolitiFact Nevada was at the convention and saw it firsthand. "
And yes, get rid of caucuses, my god.
And yes, get rid of caucuses, my god.
Sweeney Tom
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Bernie and BernieGAF I love you but you need to know when enough Ls have been taken
It's over. Fight another day
It's over. Fight another day
Beer Monkey
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Eight Bernie delegates were actually present that were challenged and four were eventually seated.
The other 56 delegates that were challenged chose to disenfranchise themselves by not showing up.
How many people complaining about Nevada actually realize this? Less than 10%, that's for sure.
The other 56 delegates that were challenged chose to disenfranchise themselves by not showing up.
How many people complaining about Nevada actually realize this? Less than 10%, that's for sure.
It won't. The threads about Politifact's findings on /r/politics and /r/s4p are all downvoted and full of comments asserting that Politifact is bought and paid for by the Clintons.
The Bernie Bros have their conspiracy and the campaign is affirming their misconceptions.
Frozenprince
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Pretty much. This just dispels the notion that there was any foul play involved. Caucuses have served their purpose but the next Dem primary in 8 years needs to just be proportionate popular vote.
metalslimer
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The fact that so many of them didn't even show was a surprise to me.
I'm really starting to wonder if this Sanders' goal at this point.
Rile up his supporters into a frenzy seeing fraud and injustice around every corner, drive up Hillary's negatives as high as possible so that it looks more and more like she could lose to Trump, sew seeds of mistrust in the DNC itself, drown out the reality of Hillary's delegate/popular vote advantage in the media with this insanity, then come convention time present himself as the only one who can make it all stop.
It likely wouldn't work, it's farfetched as hell. But, well, nothing is too farfetched this primary.
Still, this is the kind of behavior I never wanted to see from the left, and it's a shame that it has come at a time when our current President and Democratic leadership has put us more firmly on the path to real progressive change than we've ever been. And all because of a hopeless ideologue who cares less about his principles than he does about being the one to lead the revolution.
Rile up his supporters into a frenzy seeing fraud and injustice around every corner, drive up Hillary's negatives as high as possible so that it looks more and more like she could lose to Trump, sew seeds of mistrust in the DNC itself, drown out the reality of Hillary's delegate/popular vote advantage in the media with this insanity, then come convention time present himself as the only one who can make it all stop.
It likely wouldn't work, it's farfetched as hell. But, well, nothing is too farfetched this primary.
Still, this is the kind of behavior I never wanted to see from the left, and it's a shame that it has come at a time when our current President and Democratic leadership has put us more firmly on the path to real progressive change than we've ever been. And all because of a hopeless ideologue who cares less about his principles than he does about being the one to lead the revolution.
i just looked at r/politics. holy fuck is that place weird
Hoho for breakfast
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I can't speak for every Sanders supporter, but I know he's not going to win. The way I see it, he's staying in because he said he was going to stay in until the last vote is cast. He's going to spread his message as much as he possibly can and hope it makes for a better future even if that future doesn't include him being president.
It's not petulance or stubbornness. It's convictions imo. I'm sure he (and I) believes he's doing what is best and what is right. Which is what he's done consistently throughout his life.
It's time for people to sit back and make honest self-assessments.
An overt fascist echoing Mussolini and calling for blatantly racist policies as the core of his platform is a candidate for President of the United States.
He is the candidate with a united party behind him.
Meanwhile the opposition, a group that ranges from modest progressives to extreme progressives, is the one having a wedge driven between it in the lead up to the general election because of ideological purity.
Hell of a time to be alive.
An overt fascist echoing Mussolini and calling for blatantly racist policies as the core of his platform is a candidate for President of the United States.
He is the candidate with a united party behind him.
Meanwhile the opposition, a group that ranges from modest progressives to extreme progressives, is the one having a wedge driven between it in the lead up to the general election because of ideological purity.
Hell of a time to be alive.
That's really too bad. Speaking of reddit, there's an interesting post from a Hillary delegate at that convention, seems to corroborate Polifact's findings and talks about how an anti-voter suppression platform was voted down because of a disagreement with the phrase "super delegates." Very sad:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hillarycli..._the_nevada_convention_hillary_may_have_more/
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