Correctomundo
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The Final Fantasy 7 of the Resident Evil series. That's not a compliment. Hopefully, someone somewhere down the line can restore the series to it's proper glory.
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RTTP: Resident Evil 4: The most complete party ever thrown.
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It's also not criticism. It's a meaningless comparison.
What's your favorite Resident Evil?
youngwerther
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Presumably he means they are comparible in that they were both bad games that enjoyed series-altering explosive popularity due to style over substance.
He's wrong, but I'm assuming that is what he means.
Correctomundo
Member
Hardly. It's entirely apt. I chose that analogy carefully.
The Gamecube remake.
Negative. It's a solid shooter that receives an undue amount of praise. It does some things right, some things wrong, but deviates too far from it's roots. It's a Resident Evil game in name only.
eternaLightness
Member
I just started playing the GC version this month. The village has such awesome atmosphere, I love it. Took awhile to get used to the controls again since it's been so long since my last playthrough but the shooting still feels great. I really didn't like the castle area too much. Really my only gripe with the game. felt like that area just dragged on too long.
Little Green Yoda
Member
I think you're referring to the differences between difficulty levels but I have to say how amazing RE4's dynamic difficulty on non-Pro settings is, especially when playing the game for the first time. Missing shots, taking damage, and dying results in the game dialing down the difficulty for novice players by removing enemies in certain parts of the game. And when the player is ready to take the next step by doing a Pro run, there are certain to be surprises when those enemies show up.
Red Blaster
Member
I like old Resident Evil plenty but that formula was played out with trash entries like Code Veronica and RE0; RE4 was the kick in the pants the series needed.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
In what sense? FF7 follow closely the basic pilars of the FF saga, in terms of narrative and game design, just with a greater scope.
FF7 popularized the saga in the world, but for years the best selling RE game was RE2. RE4 actually sold way less initially. So...what are you talking about?
GAF is so crazy about RE4 these days.
I think he means that they're both good games but very overrated.
I think he means that they're both good games but very overrated.
The Mana Legend
Banned
My second favorite game of all-time (after Valkyrie Profile 2 and before MGS3). I've beaten it 24 times. So fucking good. I never ever get sick of it.
CV isn't amazing, but damn, it's no where near 0 levels of crap.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Not to mention RE4 is a massive evolution in the series, with lots of changes (for the better). FFVII really is not very different than FFVI. It's just FFVI with more advanced graphics, really.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Then he's wrong. I don't think no one can question the critical and fan acclaim of the game.
Tastes may vary but there's no doubt about the quality of RE4.
tmp is best weapon though
never bothered with it on my first playthroughs, oh boy I sure was missing out
Well, style over substance is an impossibility, so of course that'd be wrong
I always feel that it would be better for people to detail out their feelings, even if they're wrong, than to make some sensationalist comparison. It's not just annoying, it lowers the quality of discussion with a lack of clarity. You're left assuming what he means when he compares the two titles and it's just a way to bait reactions out of people on his part.
It doesn't matter if you've been deliberately constructing the perfect analogy since 2005; it's still low quality discussion. Construct criticism instead.
ah comon, 0 was far from being crap
It's quality for sure, just not the best game ever or anywhere near it.
MrCookiepants
Member
RE4 can never be rated highly enough.
I thought it was, but I'm not a huge fan of any of the pre-4 entries, or post-4 entries actually.
gamergirly
Member
It's amazing when a game can come outside of its own series and influence other games afterwards. Yeah, it would be the FF7 of the RE series, symbolically
Correctomundo
Member
I'm not talking about it's objective quality. There is a certain amount of subjective quality in it, as in all art, that seems gets mistaken for "perfection" - whatever that is.
Look, I get that most of you guys love it. That's fine. Tastes are entirely subjective and I'm cool with that. Hell, I've even said before that I like the game. But it's so laughable to see it called "best game ever" or flawless", and the real kicker is that it's actual flaws are so obvious that I can't understand how they get overlooked.
Christ, even I can admit to the flaws in the games I love the most.
You don't win an argument by convincing anyone. You win it by being right.
Its better than any halo game and we all know how praised these games were...
The Mana Legend
Banned
But you're not mentioning any flaws. Your argument is useless. You're just trying to pick a fight.
So now you're discounting those who call it "perfection" as being controlled by their subjective feelings?
Every time I call RE4 the best game ever, I am speaking objectively.
I thought Code Veronica was fantastic when I played it on the Dreamcast. I never got into 4, coming to it a few years late. 5 was better for its co-op, but the classic RE tank controls could not endure in an action game, hence 6.
The best games in the series are the first 2.
Relaxed Muscle
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The game has flaws, but it does so many things right that those can esily be ignored. I can see why a lot of ppl don't like FF7 or FF VIII. Games that I love a lot, but I think they have significantly flaws.
But RE4 is for me one of the best designed shooters ever. I have yet to play other shooter as good as RE4 in terms of level design, bosses and pace. But it also excels in terms of art design, music and introduced one of the best bonus modes in gaming.
The love for RE4 may be excesive but is one of those rare cases that is totally deserved.
Correctomundo
Member
That's not how arguments work, lol. You're not right, but you're also not wrong. Do you know why? Because you have said absolutely nothing up to this point! First you make a vague comparison to another game that leaves readers assuming what you actually mean, then you speak of these flaws or things it does wrong that you don't name. Nothing.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Hahaha, I've never played the iPhone/iPad versions, but I love watching gameplay videos where the horror music is blaring in the background but there's only two enemies in the level. Amazing.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Yeah, that post is not in this thread, so pretending like you made this argument here isn't fooling anyone. So not bullshit. You were just trying to pick a fight.
Version 3.0
Member
A party pooper, meh. I recommend ignoring him and just continue the party. Did you all know that Ashley can suplex?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Tg1btDrMA
When I saw this, I just had to do it. It's hard, but it can be done. It's not a mod or glitch; I did it on my launch day Gamecube RE4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Tg1btDrMA
When I saw this, I just had to do it. It's hard, but it can be done. It's not a mod or glitch; I did it on my launch day Gamecube RE4.
Correctomundo
Member
If you say so.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Gaming perfection!
You can't expect too much from a guy with a Fonzie fetish.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Not, not if I say so. I am correct. You can't pick a fight in a thread and then say "well I GAVE MY REASONING IN ANOTHER THREAD SO I DON'T HAVE TO HERE, SO THERE!" That's not how it works.
For me RE4 is the best action game of all time and my favorite title of it's decade. The pacing did it for me. Has there ever been a game that constantly surprised and entertained through over 20 hrs? (actually took me 26hrs on my first play through) The variety is second to none. No padding at all.
I don't know if we'll ever see another game like it. The dead spaces got somethings right, like the feel of the weapons, sound design, encounters with enemies, atmosphere... but the economy, boss fights, variety of art/levels pale in comparsion.
The story of RE4 is actually one of my favorite aspects of the game. Cheesy, doesn't take itself too seriously, with a great cast of silly, yet memorable characters/villians.
I am beyond pysched for Mikami's new project. I hope it's more horror in the vein of Remake and less actiony than RE4. But i'll take whatever he puts out. Mikami is one of the best directors in videogames, and if he puts out another couple of RE4 quality titles before his career is over, well i'd say he belongs in the elite class of directors. Along with Sid Meier and Miyamoto.
I don't know if we'll ever see another game like it. The dead spaces got somethings right, like the feel of the weapons, sound design, encounters with enemies, atmosphere... but the economy, boss fights, variety of art/levels pale in comparsion.
The story of RE4 is actually one of my favorite aspects of the game. Cheesy, doesn't take itself too seriously, with a great cast of silly, yet memorable characters/villians.
I am beyond pysched for Mikami's new project. I hope it's more horror in the vein of Remake and less actiony than RE4. But i'll take whatever he puts out. Mikami is one of the best directors in videogames, and if he puts out another couple of RE4 quality titles before his career is over, well i'd say he belongs in the elite class of directors. Along with Sid Meier and Miyamoto.
Correctomundo
Member
Oh, did you see that everyone? He insinuated I have a Fonz fetish because that's what my avatar is. And implied that because I apparently have a Fonz fetish, that my posts are invalid! Such wit, I am at a loss.
Is this really what happens when you don't worship at the altar of the sacred cow? Could somebody do me a favor, and link me to any threads where someone disagreed with people proclaiming game X as video game perfection? Did it happen with any other sacred cows, or is Resident Evil 4 just exempt and I never got the memo?
GillianSeed79
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I specifically bought a Gamecube late in its life cycle just for RE4. Words can't describe the opening village scene when you are being chased by everyone and the first time you get your head taken off by the chainsaw guy. The game is simply pure fun and the controls are perfect. Edit: Nothing makes you feel more like a boss than shooting a hatchet out of the air that's being thrown at you.
Correctomundo
Member
Horseshit. No one is being tasked with providing detailed analysis about why it's so amazing (aside from generic statements about level design or whatnot), but a dissenter is.
And my initial post was not picking a fight. If you interpreted it as such, that is your problem alone. I proffered up my take on the game, just like everyone else. I compared it to a game of comparable popularity and quality in a way that illustrates my point of view. If that offends you, well, shucks.
The Mana Legend
Banned
It's not my problem alone when everyone else is calling you out on it.
Others have already pointed out why your posts in this thread offer nothing of value, and show you're just looking for an Internet fight. The Fonzie fetish is just amusing.
4 happened, and it did well. From then on all RE games were 3rd person shooters with awkward controls.