DarkLordMalik
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I sure hope they don't keep as it is. It wasn't perfect.
I'd rather get the RE6 system with improvements including better melee and cover.
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Serkan Toto rumor: Resident Evil 7 reveal at E3, will go back to horror roots
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I'd rather get the RE6 system with improvements including better melee and cover.
Nice. Someone I agree with.
We are many, just not as loud.
Nothing, including actual wrestling matches, is improved by suplexes. There may be a geometric proof of people's boredom levels rising in proportion with # of suplexes, but I haven't checked. Now if they want to add a TLC match in the main police hall, that would be more fitting.
Jake coming back means a high chance of Sherry coming back. I approve.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The most wrong post on NeoGAF today
shut it down, "Trump is right for America" PoliGAFers, you got the day off
Spieler Eins
Member
It was so far the best compromise between modern controls and classic RE feel. It's obviously nowhere near as profound as something as REmake, but it had the right amount of puzzles, exploration, lowkey atmosphere and slower moments. All the ,,actioney" panic moments were even better because of that, whenever they happened. It wasn't only doing things from the past, but also new (horror) elements for the series in gameplay/level design, which were all well working. It had maybe the best story and characterisations of the series. It's not as over the top as RE5/6, not as intrusive with cutscenes, but still had the right amount of RE goofy. It also had fanservice done right.
Rev1 was very good on 3DS (i.e. with RE4 controls), but the non-Jill parts were jarring.
brainchild
Banned
Seriously. This is the new Sonic cycle. I can't believe that people are falling for this AGAIN.
Spieler Eins
Member
To be fair... Capcom themselves haven't really said/promised anything so far. If anything, they said the complete opposite of RE7 during the promotion of Revelations 2.
brainchild
Banned
I suppose you're right. Still skeptical though. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
They don't do this every time, though:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203921755&postcount=163
Theanine3D
Member
The thing about "horror" is that encompasses a HUGE variety of subgenres. Survival horror is only a one out of many others. Even if they actually said "we're going back to horror" it doesn't necessarily mean they're going back to RE1-RE3 style of play. Even RE6 was technically a horror game, using a more general definition of the term. The developers labeled it as a "dramatic horror."
darkslayer101
Member
I don't feel like they should bring back RE6 mechanics.
As much as I like it with the freedom to dodge,counter and move around, i just don't see it fit into a horror setting when we are much more powerful than the enemies.
They would have to make enemies with increased maneuverability which kinda makes it into an action game unless they add enemies that crawl and moves fast ala dead space.
As much as I like it with the freedom to dodge,counter and move around, i just don't see it fit into a horror setting when we are much more powerful than the enemies.
They would have to make enemies with increased maneuverability which kinda makes it into an action game unless they add enemies that crawl and moves fast ala dead space.
Neff
Member
Very little, I'd assume. P.T. is an entirely different style of horror to that of RE.
I think the perfect Resident Evil game would be like the Resident Evil 5 "Lost in Nightmares" DLC where Chris and Jill explore the Spencer Estate. It had the more modern control-scheme and some action yet it also absolutely oozed atmosphere and tension. You could feel your hairs rise up whenever you rounded a corner and enemies were actually intimidating due to a lack of ammo compared to the main game. It had some solid puzzles and a couple of genuine scares as well.
If the next main entry can somehow be something akin to a full-length version of that, I would be in heaven.
If the next main entry can somehow be something akin to a full-length version of that, I would be in heaven.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I think what a lot of people are mistaking for the horror roots comment is three separate smaller things. Before Resident Evil 6 was officially revealed, there was a lot of rumors, none of them ended up being true. The most famous was a combo of a a teaser image, 'insider information', and this fake teaser trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzTR3ggWYmM
The rumor claimed that the world was becoming almost post-apocalyptic and would be returning to the, 'isolated, horror roots of the originals,' or something along those lines. This was all hogwash, however.
With Resident Evil Revelations 1, they talked about how they were going to make a survival-horror game that would appeal to newer fans, but notable they never said this was returning to the series roots, they just said the game would mix things from the newer and older games on handheld, and they think fans of the older games may appreciate it. For Revelations 2 they said a similar thing, but also talked a lot about testing the episodic format. I quoted Revelations 1 a bit ago in this topic, here's what they said on Revelations 2:
^IS what they said for Revelations 2, though Revelations 2 was arguably the Resident Evil game that most recalled to the classics in both literal and design terms since RE4, I say this since I don't think what they were saying there was a lie, even if it may not have gone as far as some people would of liked it to.
People also keep saying they said this for Resident Evil 5, but to show what they did say, they never said it was returning to series roots:
^But to notably, this is in response to a question about the horror in RE5. They originally advertised RE5 in part to being overswarmed by angry mobs who mutate, and later begin to sell the co-op angle, but they were banking on RE4's success, not 'going back to the classics,' and talked far more about it interviews.
Also to clarify, a member of Capcom actually said the OPPOSITE before Resident Evil 6 released, so all those saying Capcom said RE6 was returning to the roots is silly:
That's what a producer said in March of 2012, before RE6 had released. People who think Capcom said RE6 was a return to the series roots are just mis-remembering completely.
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Which leads to the main thing I think everyone is mistaking, and this is the most sensible one. Capcom refers to all of the Resident Evil games as horror games. I don't disagree with them being horror games,but horror is a broad stroke, there's a lot of sub-genres and types under that name. They're also very much action games, and action-horror is a thing. But Capcom advertised the action in the games too, even in the case of the Revelations games.
However, and this is to note, Capcom has never once claimed they were 'going back to the series roots.' In many cases, they actually argued against that claim, including the 'survival-horror is not liable' Capcom person I linked above.
Now I'm not expecting Resident Evil 7 to be exactly what a lot of people want, but I do think it'll be toned down a lot and darker than RE6, and I do think they'll try to make a more serious horror game. Not just because of what the guy on Twitter said again, I collected all the interviews for RE7 recently from 2017 onward, and what I've picked up from going through all of them is that they have said they think horror is liable again, they think the main series should be more experimental than the spin-offs for some reason, and they think people thought RE6 was too bloated.
My bets for a while is the game will probably still have action, which is fine as even the older RE games did and I don't think they should get rid of good gunplay in horror (and they can, in fact, make a horror game with good combat systems if they tried, but need to make more interesting/atmospheric locations and pacing, better diversity in gameplay away from shooting and a willingness to slow down, make twisted powerful things that aren't always the best option to shoot through, etc.), I doubt they're getting rid of co-op as that definitely helped RE5 and RE6 sell (I don't actually want them to get rid of co-op either, the number of good campaign co-op games is incredibly overstated, and I think Resident Evil 5 & 6 are some of the best, despite what people complain about them), but I think it will try to change the tables up again a lot ala RE4 and try some completely new systems, setting, and scenarios that tries to evolve the series again. They have talked about wanting to experiment in the main series and focusing on horror again, but I take it they aren't trying to make a classic-styled RE, or trying to make a RE4/RE5/RE6 game. My stance is they're probably trying to completely reinvent the series again, which we will see if that's true and what it looks like at E3 probably, I guess.
The rumor claimed that the world was becoming almost post-apocalyptic and would be returning to the, 'isolated, horror roots of the originals,' or something along those lines. This was all hogwash, however.
With Resident Evil Revelations 1, they talked about how they were going to make a survival-horror game that would appeal to newer fans, but notable they never said this was returning to the series roots, they just said the game would mix things from the newer and older games on handheld, and they think fans of the older games may appreciate it. For Revelations 2 they said a similar thing, but also talked a lot about testing the episodic format. I quoted Revelations 1 a bit ago in this topic, here's what they said on Revelations 2:
^IS what they said for Revelations 2, though Revelations 2 was arguably the Resident Evil game that most recalled to the classics in both literal and design terms since RE4, I say this since I don't think what they were saying there was a lie, even if it may not have gone as far as some people would of liked it to.
People also keep saying they said this for Resident Evil 5, but to show what they did say, they never said it was returning to series roots:
^But to notably, this is in response to a question about the horror in RE5. They originally advertised RE5 in part to being overswarmed by angry mobs who mutate, and later begin to sell the co-op angle, but they were banking on RE4's success, not 'going back to the classics,' and talked far more about it interviews.
Also to clarify, a member of Capcom actually said the OPPOSITE before Resident Evil 6 released, so all those saying Capcom said RE6 was returning to the roots is silly:
That's what a producer said in March of 2012, before RE6 had released. People who think Capcom said RE6 was a return to the series roots are just mis-remembering completely.
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Which leads to the main thing I think everyone is mistaking, and this is the most sensible one. Capcom refers to all of the Resident Evil games as horror games. I don't disagree with them being horror games,but horror is a broad stroke, there's a lot of sub-genres and types under that name. They're also very much action games, and action-horror is a thing. But Capcom advertised the action in the games too, even in the case of the Revelations games.
However, and this is to note, Capcom has never once claimed they were 'going back to the series roots.' In many cases, they actually argued against that claim, including the 'survival-horror is not liable' Capcom person I linked above.
Now I'm not expecting Resident Evil 7 to be exactly what a lot of people want, but I do think it'll be toned down a lot and darker than RE6, and I do think they'll try to make a more serious horror game. Not just because of what the guy on Twitter said again, I collected all the interviews for RE7 recently from 2017 onward, and what I've picked up from going through all of them is that they have said they think horror is liable again, they think the main series should be more experimental than the spin-offs for some reason, and they think people thought RE6 was too bloated.
My bets for a while is the game will probably still have action, which is fine as even the older RE games did and I don't think they should get rid of good gunplay in horror (and they can, in fact, make a horror game with good combat systems if they tried, but need to make more interesting/atmospheric locations and pacing, better diversity in gameplay away from shooting and a willingness to slow down, make twisted powerful things that aren't always the best option to shoot through, etc.), I doubt they're getting rid of co-op as that definitely helped RE5 and RE6 sell (I don't actually want them to get rid of co-op either, the number of good campaign co-op games is incredibly overstated, and I think Resident Evil 5 & 6 are some of the best, despite what people complain about them), but I think it will try to change the tables up again a lot ala RE4 and try some completely new systems, setting, and scenarios that tries to evolve the series again. They have talked about wanting to experiment in the main series and focusing on horror again, but I take it they aren't trying to make a classic-styled RE, or trying to make a RE4/RE5/RE6 game. My stance is they're probably trying to completely reinvent the series again, which we will see if that's true and what it looks like at E3 probably, I guess.
Neff
Member
Yep, it's my favourite compromise between old and new RE so far, and I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Capcom took some cues from it for 7.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
While I know there's a bit of superficial element here since they both take place in mansions, the Lost in Nightmares DLC and
the underground mansion at the end of Revelations 2
I would personally love a RE game that even kept the modern stuff if they were able to make a better paced and designed atmospheric moment with much stronger vibes like those two segments for a full game.
I'm expecting an E3 trailer in the same fashion of P.T. but in third person and with some action. The mainline RE probably never goes back to the origins of the saga, but i could see Capcom taking inspiration in pacing and style from games like The Last of Us, P.T. and Alien Isolation.
So you're expecting a trailer in the fashion of PT with a trailer that is...absolutely nothing like PT at all?
TLZ
Banned
You actually made the right decision being a RE fan. 6 wasn't even RE.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
That's the only thing I can see this being, tbh. A bigger budget, 8-10 hour version of "Lost in Nightmares". Co-op, measured pacing, plenty of action, unkillable thing stalking you, a few big bosses, a contained location you revisit/backtrack and get a sense of place with, puzzles and key items that open gates in areas you have to come back, all that shit. And some Mercs mode for the action junkies.
Better that then going the RE6 route of 20-25 hours of trying to be everything to everybody all at once.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
You're ignoring so many facts tho, such as the fact that the later games were released to a more widely available audience and a larger market, on multiple platforms. And the fact that, as sequels of either excellent or mostly okay quality (well, aside from Resi 6), they were probably set to sell better than the priors just due to being sequels.
Just because the newer games sold better than the old ones doesn't mean the sales are completely indicative of objective quality or that the market would reject a new installment taking lots of game mechanics from the old entries. To arrive at such a conclusion is preposterous.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The whole reason Shinji Mikami and Capcom even made RE4 was because the old survival horror games didnt sell when REmake disapointed
I'm amazed at the back flips people will try to go through to downplay the success of the series post RE4. It's like they just can't fathom a world were people enjoy these games, perhaps as much if not more than the older games. Internet fandom can be so weird and insular with things sometimes.
The Silver
Member
I mean shit what they did expect, they put that damn thing on the fucking Gamecube and then there was Zero which wasn't considered that good.
RE4 despite being one of the most acclaimed games of all time only sold 300k more than REmake.(on the GC) It was the PS2 and Wii versions that made up the bulk of RE4s sales.
Theanine3D
Member
I'm a huge fan of the games before RE4, but even I find those comments bothersome. At a certain point in the future there will end up being more action-focused games in the series than survival-focused ones. "Classic" fans are gonna have to come to terms with the fact that the series has simply gone in a different direction, and that doesn't mean it's not "Resident Evil" anymore. It's just a different Resident Evil.
Resident Evil 4 came out in 2005. We've had 11 years to come to grips with that fact. Some people are taking their sweet time.
shhhh people don't want the truth.
People are quick to point out Remake and RE0 HD sold well recently but when you bring up sales 4 and beyond sales don't matter.
Jawmuncher
Member
Considering we're getting a RE2make. I don't see capcom making this as "back to roots" as some people seem to think. They have stated before that they think keeping the fans happy through numerous games doing different things is the best way.
FalsettoVibe
Member
P.T. ?
Awww Yissss!
Awww Yissss!
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
About 10 years ago I would've been extremely excited to hear this news. Now? I feel nothing.
lol, you're right
A trailer like the reveal of RE 4, but without tank control, could fit better
Neff
Member
Crank this bad boy up to 15-18 hours and you may have something which would appease both camps spectacularly.
Considering the Revelations Series Too and mostly.
sacrificengineer
Member
Yeah, it's about time to announce next mainline RE title.
"Everybody"? They are far from majority. The people who complain the most are the survival horror niche group (also hardcore gamers) who are the minority (~30%) based on RE sales numbers (there's a formula for that). But they make the most noise because they feel spiteful that Capcom no longer cares or want to be cool by being heard (self expression), plus they are always in game forums. These people do not represent everybody.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I hope it's more like Revelations 2 than RE6. I love RE6 but Rev 2 was the perfect "step back" in terms of toning down the action.
Also bring back multiple storylines. RE6 did that better than most games that try. LOVED watching the different paths intersect.
Also bring back multiple storylines. RE6 did that better than most games that try. LOVED watching the different paths intersect.
Tallshortman
Member
I definitely liked RE6 than most of GAF but I realize it has a lot of issues. Man if it was like 1/3-1/2 of Leon's campaign for the entire game it would've been great.
Perfect Blue
Banned
So I guess this rumour was correct?