They're not, they winded up having car trouble and went home. You can watch D1 right now, though, he's streaming right now.
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT| It's out in Japan
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They're not, they winded up having car trouble and went home. You can watch D1 right now, though, he's streaming right now.
Blake's at it again.
And a bonus.
Second one needs M2K's face over the kid.
I meant more of a WIP one of the ones we know so far.
Edit: Like where is this from
Guys...
Kirby basically replaced Ice Climbers...
The Custom Moveset Debate?
Are they discussing if they'll allow custom movesets at tournaments?
Letterbomb
Banned
Too early to put any advanced techniques to practice. We're still in the stage where we're going to be discovering a lot of new things. Some will be useful, but most will be utterly useless and won't see much application. There's not much you can do with the demo alone, since most advanced techniques that will be discovered will be character specific or otherwise situational. For now, practice your pivots (tilts, smashes, jumps), and don't forget the importance of the basics such as spacing. What more you can do is just try to get a good feel for the mechanics. Get comfortable with the ledge, diving deep, and making plays off the stage. Learn intricacies of grabs and throws and how they directly link to other moves and approaches.
Do this until you can start playing with others. Then abandon CPU training and start learning the basics of mindgames and reads. Players having the ability to adapt to play tactics is largely what your competition is going to be in any competitive environment.
Flying Man on Magicant is the dumbest design decision in any Smash game. How the hell anyone thought making a stage hazard that is literally a team mate is beyond me. It ruins what is otherwise one of the best stages in the game, to the point that I absolutely hate playing on it and groan anytime Ness comes up in classic mode. I'm almost happy Lucas is cut, just so I don't have a higher chance of playing on this fucking stage.
Immaculate
Banned
zeros friend isnt very good is there another?
EDIT: I should look up
EDIT: I should look up
ratcliffja
Member
Personally, I think they should since it adds another dimension of strategy. With that said, if it turns out that certain custom moves make a character imbalanced, they might take it out.
theprodigy
Member
How do you get 411 moves?
Honestly, it doesn't feel (so far) that custom movesets break the balance. Every move has upsides and downsides.
Do we know what's gonna be the first big Smash 4 Tournament?
Oops, 441.
49 characters, 3 specials moves, each special moves has 3 customs. 3x3=9, 9x49=441.
Letterbomb
Banned
You can always, y'know, not choose the Earthbound path in Classic mode...
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I don't think there is much right now. D1 mentioned using shield to cancel part of the turning animation to semi-sorta-kinda-but-not-really-dash dance, and something about downward momentum canceling but he lost his train of thought and never went into details about that.
And I'd totally recommend playing Path of Radiance before Radiant Dawn if at all possible.
OricWindstar
Member
Yeah, advance techniques might've been a bad way to put it: I guess I meant more what should I start getting comfortable with, which you went on to explain rather well. Thanks! Can't wait to have online.
Interesting. I want to try and catch him next time he's on stream, I haven't been hearing his thoughts on the game outside of twitter.
theprodigy
Member
Don't Miis+Palutena already have them all?
besides there are 4 special moves, and since you already have the default there are only 4x2=8 per character you need to unlock, so 47x8=376 (or 51x8=408 if they don't come with all of theirs)
The Captain
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Blake preaches the truth.
There are 51 characters. The Miis have three unique movesets, each with custom moves.
We don't really have many advanced techniques so far. I guess try to get in the habit of holding 'down' any time a move would maybe send you far. Make sure you can shorthop autocancel moves and do something else quickly afterward (do the aerial so that you land after it ends and suffer no lag) and short hop double aerials (works with uair, bair, maybe dair then nair or something?). Then there's stuff like pivot ftilt/fsmash to do. And try some of his simpler combos (like dthrow utilt x4 uair uair up b or whatever, or dtilt fsmash, see what else you come up with), and try those on computers of different levels over and over to see how consistent you can get them. (But know that with people they may not work like that)
More so just worry about getting used to how Mario's moves hit and how he controls. Try to imagine scenarios that would come up against humans and how you would handle them. Best thing you can do is of course to find someone else with the demo and play, of course.
Right now there are very few ATs for this game. There are some small things like pivoting, which is essentially doing an action out of your turnaround animation in the opposite direction. You can do pivot tilts, pivot grabs, and pivot smashes. Learn which of your characters have aerials that can autocancel, and practice spacing. Run up shield is looking like a very strong option in this game because it helps you control your character out of dashing, and additionally the game appears to have low shieldstun. Also shield drops fast and you'll be able to act quickly out of it.
Edit: oh yeah, downward DI is looking pretty important as the post above mentions.
Blake is the best.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
D1 covering Mario right now, Oric might want to watch.
True, but still. It's an awful, awful stage. Worst in the series.
OricWindstar
Member
Ah yeah, I never really attempt any DI stuff, I should get in the habit of that. And I've gotten in the habit of doing the 'DThrow + Utilt + UAir etc' combo pretty instinctively, which is makes this feel like a whole new game as I've never bee nthe type of Smash to consciously try and string combos together. I'm just super excited that I can start this game with the whole community and not feel like I'm years behind like with Melee.
Even reading it laid out like that, pivoting is still such a foreign concept to me! I'm going to have to put some hours in to get that to be second nature. Still, it's exciting having so much to work on in the demo, even if it's just against CPUs.
Originally he was discussing some of the problems with early tournaments with custom moves. Like how people who don't have them all unlocked are at a disadvantage because they can't lab it out against the custom moves they don't have.
Like, say you're introduced to Falco's laser ball mid-tournament and you didn't know he had that move (because you haven't unlocked it yet and there isn't a complete list of custom moves yet per character). You can try to adapt to it mid-match and everything but it's not working out. So, after the set you decide you want to lab it out on how to beat the laser ball -- you know, see if you have any options against it.
...Except you realize you haven't unlocked it yet so now you can't learn about it until you do. Now think about multiplying that by every character and every custom move in the game that you'd have to learn + how those custom moves interact with each other + how Palutena/Miis having the advantage of having theirs unlocked from the start. Palutena would have an adv. early on in a sense.
He wasn't having a discussion that would actually end in custom moves being banned, just a harmless discussion about some of the problems that have arisen with how you have to unlock them and the problems the community faces with new players entering the scene and not having everything unlocked, how unfair it could be, etc etc. At least, for the 3DS version as it stands right now early on in the game's life.
Wii U version would be a different story because it would be possible to transfer the moves to Wii Us so all you need is one 3DS game that has all the moves to transfer them to every Wii U save file in the venue. 3DS players themselves have to unlock them per their 3DS though...
It makes me kinda wish there was a way to streetpass or 'trade' custom moves. :/
OricWindstar
Member
Thanks!
PaperFlame
Member
I been playing the demo for a couple hours, its so difficult getting use to the air physics but I'm slowly getting there! I love how Megan plays like an 8-bit character.
Jawmuncher
Member
Ugh got to another choke point on Xenoblade.
This has been my entire experience with the game.
All of this just so that when I use shulk in Smash it won't be BS since I've beaten his game.
This has been my entire experience with the game.
All of this just so that when I use shulk in Smash it won't be BS since I've beaten his game.
OricWindstar
Member
Haha, of course he skipped over Mario. Still, Anything Mario / Greninja / Robin / Bowser Jr is going to be super interesting to me.
Normally DI is a pretty hard thing to work on in general. Getting out of the little combos in this game might still be complicated, but it seems like survival DI is getting even easier. Before it was roughly that you should hold the direction perpendicular to where you're getting hit. Now it's sounding like the thing is just to hold down.
It's nice to start out on the same page as everyone, yeah. But it's never too late to get into any of the games. I just started trying competitive 64 in the past few months. Of course I'm awful, but it's a lot of fun. And like my local community for all the Smash games, everyone seems really welcoming.
MrSaturn99
Member
If I can regularly enjoy playing on New Pork City, I'm more than confident I'll be able to enjoy Magicant.
Do Mii's and Palutena have all their moves unlocked from the start? Can Palutena select custom moves in For Glory, unlike everyone else?
Jawmuncher
Member
New Pork City better be in the WiiU version or I'm going to be pissed. Especially if temple makes it in.
OricWindstar
Member
Oh yeah, despite some of the venom in the online community, any time I've been in the competitive community in person they've been super welcoming. I just didn't really delve into competitive Smash until a little over a year ago, so with this game so close I decided to put my cards on Smash 4 being competitively viable and learning with everyone else.
StreetsAhead
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Game came this morning. Been playing all day.
So good. Nearly unlocked the entire first page of challenges. Is that how you get page two? Or is it unlocking all the characters?
So good. Nearly unlocked the entire first page of challenges. Is that how you get page two? Or is it unlocking all the characters?
MrSaturn99
Member
I'm personally hoping for Onett.
Just make sure I have a free-roam camera on it and I'm good to go.
OricWindstar
Member
I'm not sure of the challenges, but that would make sense. Also, out of curiosity, who have you enjoyed playing so far?
Someone needs to get Blake on GAF, he'd fit right in.
It would be neat if the artist made Master Hand, Crazy Hand and Master Core windows as well. Just to complete it.
It would be neat if the artist made Master Hand, Crazy Hand and Master Core windows as well. Just to complete it.
Yooooooooooooo what.
No way, Magicant is amazing.
Servers are down for maintenence ;;
to look at sure.
to play on, easily, easily the worst, and could be great if they just removed the flying man.
Letterbomb
Banned
I'm disappointed it won't be competitively viable, but it's not a bad stage. It's hard to take a statement like that seriously when we've had the atrocities that are New Pork Garbage and 75 Wat.
From a competitive point of view, which stages do you think will be viable?
The obvious ones are Battlefield, FInal Destination and Yoshi Island. Among the rest, the ones which seems most suitable are Arena Ferox, Tamodachi Life, Prism Tower, Tortimer Island, F-Zero and Magicant. Still, it all comes out about how do their hazards/plataform disposition harm the gameplay.
The obvious ones are Battlefield, FInal Destination and Yoshi Island. Among the rest, the ones which seems most suitable are Arena Ferox, Tamodachi Life, Prism Tower, Tortimer Island, F-Zero and Magicant. Still, it all comes out about how do their hazards/plataform disposition harm the gameplay.
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