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Switch 2 will have to be very innovative to keep up with handheld PCs and phones going forward
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Nopes
they just have to keep making games that sell gabazillions
they just have to keep making games that sell gabazillions
odhiex
Member
I think Nintendo's next system is going to be fine, but it is not a guarantee that it would be "as successful as" the current Nintendo Switch.
Nintendo IPs are huge selling points but they simply cannot rely on them alone. Supports from the third party developers/publishers are equally important to make the new hardware desirable to customers.
Case points the GameCube and Wiiu
Nintendo IPs are huge selling points but they simply cannot rely on them alone. Supports from the third party developers/publishers are equally important to make the new hardware desirable to customers.
Case points the GameCube and Wiiu
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EDMIX
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Elder Legend
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Mister Wolf
Member
They are using Nvidia. It will be better than everything else.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Sooner rather than later that be will behind some Games for Windows Live! for Windows! Pass! Live! broken but fuck you pay me Windows Appstore Plus!
Unknown Soldier
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Elder Legend
Banned
Nintendo can get away with anything. There is really not much innovation left. Just release another set of a Mario platformer, Mario Kart, Smash Bros and a new Zelda and that's it.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
They only need SD equivalent performance, sprinkle in DLSS and it should be good enough.
Render between 480p-720p then upscale to 1080 in handheld mode, then upscale to 4K in docked mode.
Render between 480p-720p then upscale to 1080 in handheld mode, then upscale to 4K in docked mode.
TransTrender
Gold Member
I disagree with you statement there's no innovation left.
Yes, that's true if you're Phil Spencer Xbox Microsoft. By their delusions nothing has been innovate or revolutionary since Whacked! or Brute Force.
Remember, in case you forgot, there is no 'pro' refresh for the ecksbox while there will be a PS5 Pro. Yes, it's crazy the PS4 Pro had that much market penetration in such short time.
Elder Legend
Banned
Dont remind me about Brute Force. I'll never forget myself as a child obsessing over that game in the official Xbox magazine. The visuals at the time made my jaw drop. Underrated game that sadly wasn't well recieved. I really miss the original Xbox. There was something special about it that no other console had.
The reason why there is no Xbox Series X Pro is because the Swries S exists and Microsoft shot themselves in the foot because of short term profits instead of thinking long term.
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yurinka
Member
Nintendo can release a bag of potatos with a Mario logo as Switch 2 and sell it for $500. Their fans would buy 4 each and would say it's the pinnacle of gaming innovation.
Nintendo doesn't need anything, it will sell because it's a religion for their fans. They don't need innovation, they only need to continue milking and rehashing Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, Smash, Animal Crossing and Zelda.
Nintendo doesn't need anything, it will sell because it's a religion for their fans. They don't need innovation, they only need to continue milking and rehashing Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, Smash, Animal Crossing and Zelda.
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Elder Legend
Banned
Finally someone who knows and understands how Nintendo works lol.
yurinka
Member
They released overpriced cardboard accesories for their console that their customers even had to build themselves, reducing costs to the max. Something insulting, but some claimed it was the pinnacle of gaming and innovation.
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UniformDeliverance
Member
If it had DLSS and a battery that can last longer than an hour, it’ll already be leagues beyond any of these handheld pcs
bender
What time is it?
Handheld PC gaming is way too unfriendly for your average consumer. Mobile gaming was popular when the Switch launched and it did just fine. Nintendo doesn't need to "keep up" with anyone. Their greatest stumbles is when they've attempted to keep up with the competition instead of carving their own path.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Yes Labo was crud why do I need boxes when I play games this was a stupid idea Nintendo needs to make goord hardware not being Inspector Gadget
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Why make a new machine that people will have to rebuy if the games are the thing that matters, then? Surely whatever Nintendo has for their vision can be accomplished on a regular old Switch, eh?
I also disagree that there's no innovation left, we can still explore many aspects of gaming.
But why bring Xbox into this for one? Xbox hasn't innovated jackshit since Gears of War in 2007, they're irrelevant in this discussion.
He's criticizing the fact that Nintendo games just aren't as original or fresh anymore. Barring BOTW and TOTK which upended Zelda,
3D Mario hasn't seen much (positive) change to its 3d design and mission structure in the 27 years it's been around.
2D mario is just getting back on its feet after a 14 year long slump of mediocrity. (excluding Mario Maker 1 & 2)
Kirby made the leap to 3D 25 years after everyone else had done so.
Pokemon now is a complete abomination, manmade gaming horrors beyond our comprehension.
The newest Mario Kart (IMO) is more dumbed down and boring to play than MKDS, Wii or 64, & isn't nearly as inventive or interesting as many other kart racers. And it's been around for 9 years, now.
Every Mario spinoff that isn't related to racing has pretty much been dogshit since the Wii U era. Paper Mario, Mario and Luigi, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, etc. Either missing in action or stripped of all its soul. Many of their more quirky franchises like Rhythm Heaven, and Wario Land are gone, too.
Splatoon and Xenoblade Chronicles are the most interesting new IPs they've had a hand in making in the past 15 years.
I still enjoy these games (except for new Pokemon) but you can't deny that many Nintendo games are fundamentally not much different from how they were 20, 30 and 40 years ago. It's a testament to the strength of these IPs... but it also gets boring to play Mario, Pokemon and Zelda for every new release doesn't it?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Why make console hardware to begin with then?
Elder Legend
Banned
That's how Nintendo fanboys operate. Purely blind and not a care in the world.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yeah, this is what people don’t get. Nintendo’s monster evergreen franchises are the reason to buy the hardware - not power or gimmicks.
Nintendo is the only hardware maker that can get by solely on their first party games.
Elder Legend
Banned
So they can sell you their own machine at a profit for you to play them on and make more money. It's really not rocket science lol. Out of the big three Nintendo is the most anti consumer.Why make console hardware to begin with then?
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Why make console hardware to begin with then?
So you don’t have to pay another company royalties.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
The problem with your logic is that the handheld PC market is super niche and not statistically significant as a competitor to a mass market device like Nintendo Switch. And there are console players and there are phone players, and console gaming remains relatively flat, from generation to generation, it doesn’t really ever get smaller. So this whole argument about how “phones will destroy consoles” was proven to not be a thing a whole generation ago.
Not sure why it’s being brought up again now as if the last 15 years haven’t happened.
The Wii U failed because it was a terrible product, not because there wasn’t huge demand for a Nintendo dedicated console, as the 3DS and then later with the Switch proved. The audience and demand for a Nintendo device now that they’re on the right track of making attractive products (combined with compelling software) that people want, is the next one could easily sell as much or close to Switch.
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EDMIX
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I think both brands get away with innovating very little at times tbh.
Even this whole Pro refresh isn't really excusive to either company. Nintendo has done that to many handhelds, Sony has done it, MS has done it etc.
So we know PS5 has a Pro, I don't see much evidence that we will see zero enhancement by MS. I don't buy that MS will just allow them to have the most powerful system on the market with no answer.
Even Switch is simply a PSP2000 outing to a TV. This is not a new concept or innovative or anything like that. Thats like me getting a laptop and handing out a HDMI cord with it and claiming I'm being "iNnOvAtiVe iN dA mArKeTz" lol Nintendo is merely doing something, that has been done before.....
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
To be fair while i do think the impact of Switch being a handheld that outputs to a TV is a bit overstated and overhyped... They did very much design the console around it. That's why it comes with a dock, and the 2 shitty controllers can be attached to the tablet and the grip to be used in home and portable mode. With PSP you sort of had to use a third party solution/sold seperate adapter, and you'd be stuck with the PSP control... which to be fair, isn't that far off from Switch when it comes to ergonomics.
That being said, it's still very much a handheld system. So much so that I can easily justify getting a Lite over the actual thing.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
A dedicated device like the Switch offers something completely different from phones and tablets. The whole experience is just totally unlike one another.
I don't want to go into the ad-saturated phone stores and find games, then try to dismiss notifications at the top of my screen as I play on a device that ergonomically built to be antithetical to gaming or physical controls. That's a fundamentally miserable experience, completely unchanged no matter how powerful the chips become, even if they somehow dwarfed home consoles in power.
Nintendo will do best by continuing to make its consoles just fun to pick up, pure gaming devices that think of gaming as their use case from the ground up in every part of the software and physical controls. There's a reason they didn't allow a web browser on Switch... the more it fundamentally separates itself from the awful world of smart phones the better it becomes.
I don't want to go into the ad-saturated phone stores and find games, then try to dismiss notifications at the top of my screen as I play on a device that ergonomically built to be antithetical to gaming or physical controls. That's a fundamentally miserable experience, completely unchanged no matter how powerful the chips become, even if they somehow dwarfed home consoles in power.
Nintendo will do best by continuing to make its consoles just fun to pick up, pure gaming devices that think of gaming as their use case from the ground up in every part of the software and physical controls. There's a reason they didn't allow a web browser on Switch... the more it fundamentally separates itself from the awful world of smart phones the better it becomes.
indigoSociety
Member
When are yall gonna learn ? Lol the tech matters only minimally. It has Nintendo games. Thats the difference maker for their platforms. Nowhere else can you get their 1st party titles and thats why Nintendo is the Disney of old in the gaming realm. All it has to do from a technical standpoint is avoid being a total disaster like the Wii U. And the concept of the Switch just has to keep being improved upon. That blueprint is perfect combining their console and handheld business. It was the natural evolution for them and i dont see why it cant be for many years moving forward meaning a switch 3/4/5 etc.
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Unknown?
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The opposite is true, it's actually a tablet. It needs a peripheral to even connect to the TV.
_Ex_
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newtypepilot
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It's all about their first party titles, not gimmicks.
Icymanipulator
Member
No I don’t think so.
Nintendo seems to be immune to this kind of thing. They’ve successfully carved themselves out a nice little area in the market. Switch was nothing special when it launched either, and Switch 2 will be the new hotness, regardless of other innovative features. The loyal fan base will evangelize for it, and YouTubers, always desperate for views, will push it to their audiences. I don’t think the train can slow down.
Nintendo seems to be immune to this kind of thing. They’ve successfully carved themselves out a nice little area in the market. Switch was nothing special when it launched either, and Switch 2 will be the new hotness, regardless of other innovative features. The loyal fan base will evangelize for it, and YouTubers, always desperate for views, will push it to their audiences. I don’t think the train can slow down.
THE DUCK
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Negative, switch is released without being a portable it's an epic fail. You know this is true.
radewagon
Member
Handheld PC's...? Look, I love my Steamdeck, but I wouldn't wish it on a majority of the gaming public. The wealth of options that I, and many others love, are a huge barrier for entry.
Also.... Phones? . . . phones....
However will Nintendo compete with products that are generally lacking A) Expandable storage, B) Headphone jacks, C) Physical buttons, and D) Actual Games that aren't just whale bait in disguise?
Unless they royally mess up, Nintendo will be fine competing against those two.
Also.... Phones? . . . phones....
However will Nintendo compete with products that are generally lacking A) Expandable storage, B) Headphone jacks, C) Physical buttons, and D) Actual Games that aren't just whale bait in disguise?
Unless they royally mess up, Nintendo will be fine competing against those two.
There are better ways to play Switch games right now, and have been for sometime. It hasn't put a dent in Nintendo or Switch sales that we can tell. Just keeping making games and content your fans enjoy and they will come. Doesn't matter if there are more powerful hanheld PC platforms.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Just to remind people how they're creatively bankrupt.
You also lost me at the bold part.
Once again, this is a very myopic point of view.
Pokemon had been the same old thing since inception. Baby trash. It's nothing new.
Everything else? Nah man, I appreciate the sweat equity they pour in to their titles.
The Wii-U is a clear example this isn't true.
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The GameCube and Wii U are proof this is not true.
zeldaring
Banned
And N64 lol, even though it games were the most ground breaking since the nes days.
existensmaximum
Member
Handheld PCs won't even sell a fraction in comparison and smartphones aren't dedicated gaming devices that offer the same experience or the same IPs.
If it's a handheld, it will be a great success. And it will.
The end.
If it's a handheld, it will be a great success. And it will.
The end.
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