I'm just hoping they don't lock the open world behind The War Within. That's way too much progression to ask of people looking to try the shiny new stuff.
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Warframe goes open world, gets social hub, day/night cycle, flying, more
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Glitchesarecool
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Remember when Affinity range indicators didn't exist? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Steve's said he'll want open world to be the new thing going forward for mission and environment designs. So maybe this'll be a soft relaunch if they build a bunch of open areas and release them at once.
Since it sounds like Operator combat will be at night, that might happen. Or I wonder if they'll just have some kind of recall system that pulls new players in at night if they don't have TWW completed.
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Having a pretty good time with this as a new player the last day or so, the open world update got me interested. Only frustration is running a mission to be hit with a "updating account info" that never ends and this doesn't save the progress. The player movement is something else though, really satisfying just to zip around.
NullPointer
Member
Speaking of night time, I wonder what you're supposed to do if you find yourself mid-quest as night falls, and not ready to face those eidolons. Do you hide in a cave? Exit the landscape and return later at a checkpoint? Sleep through it ala Dying Light?
Oh I am for sure. The open world, day/night cycle stuff in that 17min video looked amazing.
SanguineShark
Member
This furthers my disappointment with Destiny 2. If a free to play game can manage an update like this, why can't Activision and Bungie manage to increase the scope and scale of Destiny?
Ugh.
Ugh.
Played Warframe heavily a couple of years ago, had almost every single weapon and frame until I stopped playing for a bit. Came back for that cool moon story mission and just didn't have it in me to do the lens grinding.
I'll probably fire it up again when this comes out, Hydroid Prime sounds like something I want.
I'll probably fire it up again when this comes out, Hydroid Prime sounds like something I want.
Depends if Destiny 2 is still having the same engine limitations as Destiny 1 suffered. That really hindered their ability to make levels (IIRC moving one object and then building/baking/etc would take up to 8 hours)
This is Unreal so it doesn't take nearly as long
Glitchesarecool
Member
I assume you're still going to be able to summon Archwing for a fly-away if you need to. It seems like there shouldn't be anything preventing you from still doing a quest, just with the added danger of the Eidolons walking around. The Dying Light point also brings up a fun idea: Boosters kick in at night.
The other question is how long the day/night cycle is going to be. Obviously for the demo they sped things up, or intentionally started towards the end of the day. In game Earth is day/night on a 4 hour cycle right now, I believe.
Just a heads up (kind of off topic), if anyone has Amazon Prime you can get a free Frost Prime in Warframe through Twitch prime
. Connect your Amazon prime account to your twitch, then accept the Warframe reward through Twitch and log into your Warframe account from there. Boom, one of the best endgame Warframes is yours!
I just wish they had this offer when I spend 20+ hours grinding for his parts ;_;
(wow that's a lot of Prime)
I just wish they had this offer when I spend 20+ hours grinding for his parts ;_;
Warframe actually runs on their in-house engine "Evolution".
NullPointer
Member
Maybe if you're indoors already running your quest where *hopefully* the eidolons can't get at you. Rebecca did say that night time "affects how enemies operate", so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
Oh I always assumed it was Unreal....well damn that is pretty impressive that it looks like UE
SanguineShark
Member
I'm understanding of limitations but at the same time, and I know this will most likely come off as rude, but I don't really care for their excuses? It doesn't really make it any less disappointing for your average consumer.
My girlfriend, that's not really a gamer, became a fan of Destiny once I introduced her. We both did.
So far she is less than impressed with anything regarding the sequel. Can't say I blame her.
They helped Epic build several versions of Unreal Tournament, so it's possible their familairty with Unreal carried over into some of the design decisions behind the Evolution engine.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Do you have Twitch Prime?
Click the little crown next to your username in the top right in Twitch, Warframe is one of the rewards there.
Well, you pretty much have to use everything to level up in this game, so just play everything.
There's still the base play experience of "get new weapon, level to 30, mod it to survive harder stuff, get better weapon, repeat", but there's also a much better quest system for real story lines, a more intensive system to unlock new areas, and a larger variety of things to grind for. I'm not sure when you're comparing it to, but if you haven't played since the Second Dream update, a lot of systems changed there.
Once you finish all the missions on every planet and all the story quests, yes, the game is just "get more stuff."
What's "real progression" and what's a "real goal"? In Warframe, there are many, many ways to progress. You get more warframes, more mods, more weapons, more syndicate standing, more mastery, more clan rooms, more cosmetics, more quests, more pets, etc.
And yes, there is an ongoing story that is progressed via (now yearly) cinematic quests with full voice acting and cut scenes and such. Smaller quests are doled out several times a year.
Nah I haven't, I've jumped in for a few minutes here and there recently but I played a lot harder (400+ hours) in late 2015/early 2016. Might check it out anyway
For me it's end game content. For example in MMOs you would level to the max level in order to do raiding. I know that's a thing in Warframe, but from my understanding it's far from the focus or on the same scale as other games, and I understand Warframe isn't trying to be WoW or something, but you get what I mean.
I just feel like if there isn't a huge amount of stuff to do like that at the end, just playing for the sake of getting "more stuff" is what always turned me off about Warframe. To me, once I got the frames I really want or whatever, there's not really a lot of point to keep playing, but I understand why some people wanna collect everything too.
I agree, but to an extent, if the engine just wont let them; then they really just can't do it.
Really sad if that's the case though, engine should have been reworked for D2
NullPointer
Member
There are sorties too - high level missions that swap out daily. As you mention there are raids, but I've never tried em. There is a focus system, with different skill trees tied to the operator, and focus lenses that you get as rewards from Sorties. There's also PvP and Lunaro if you want some PvP or a warframe take on Rocket League. And of course the new landscape with Eidolons for high difficulty team challenge.
But yeah, the game is ultimately about shooting and stabbing and using powers and parkour, building stuff, and growing in power to tackle the hardest content for gear, arcane items, focus lenses and prime parts. End-game is kindof a weird term when it comes to Warframe, because while there's plenty of high level content to tackle, the constant supply of new frames and weapons (and forma'ing frames and weapons to optimize) means that there's always a reason to run through all of the regular missions on the star map, at all levels, and to tackle alerts.
SanguineShark
Member
That's what I'm saying. If it's really so limited, they should have been on retooling the engine or using something else, ages ago.
Destiny 2 looks like an expansion they're charging full price for.
Anyways, I don't want to shit up the thread with Destiny whining.
Game looks fun. Girlfriend and I found it a bit repetitive when we first tried it a while back, but maybe we'll give it another look.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
They have two extra studios helping with dlc so hopefully it will be better this time.
Yes, it says that it's connected, but I can't see it in the game.
k1t4j
Member
It's in your inventory and can be equipped through the arsenal. I just started playing this and redeemed this as well
NullPointer
Member
According to Steve Sinclair's twitter they're hoping to put it early in progression - a few missions after the tutorial.
Also, they consider this a "reset of Warframe's bones" and plan to have landscapes for all of the planets (at some point). Also looking at a low-hud option to roll out with PoE. They're still optimizing this and Earth's foliage update for performance.
Damn, that's both worrying and intriguing. I hope they can pull it off. I wouldn't want them to completely replace the star chart system we have now. Being able to jump into a specific mission on a specific tileset is a good thing.
NullPointer
Member
This system is in addition to the starmap, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Found some more info on when players can access PoE at Hardcore Gamer:
Looks like they're still hashing it out, but locking it behind Second Dream/War Within seems likely, at least for the night time gameplay. As a new system we can definitely expect changes over time.
Dying Light's intro missions and tutorials kept the gameworld fixed at daytime until you reached the mission that unlocked night time and the day/night cycle. Maybe they could do something along those lines here too.
Primed Continuity is one, just most of the Primed Mods are good. A vid here for what you should buy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seFsBijdeK4&ab_channel=Brozime
HellforLeather
Member
I havent played this since it came out on PS4 and I just remember the absolutely impenetrable mountain of currencies, schematics, and other totally unexplained aspects of the game that turned me off the whole deal.
Is it simplified, or at the very least, explained in any of the subsequent updates?
Is it simplified, or at the very least, explained in any of the subsequent updates?
They've changed the new player experience quite a bit and added several tutorial missions that introduce the mission structure, blueprints/materials/crafting, and modding systems a bit better. But there's still a learning curve in terms of actual gameplay. There's plenty of fan-made guides out there that explain everything better, if you are still confused about any of the systems.
Yeah I've been playing again and she's amazing, that one change to Shooting Gallery made all the difference imo.
On a different subject, apparently Twitch Prime = Amazon Prime which means: free Frost Prime.
My first Prime
The engine DE uses for Warframe is amazing. Is supremely well optimized for PC, game runs smooth as fuck even with tons of shit going on the screen at once, and it also allows them to add these massive updates without going through all the hassle that Bungie goes through with Destiny, I mean Steve mentioned that DE was able to cook the open world space in 3 months during the Tennocon stream, thats all the while delivering content updates like Octavia, Harrow and the reworked Earth tileset. So it's not like there's content drought on the game while they work on a big update like Plains of Eidolons.
Honestly the engine Bungie uses for Destiny sounds like a total nightmare from a developer standpoint, and not really suited for a service game which require constant updates.
The only thing they've ever said about that is adding hdr support around the same time they'll do it for XBO. I wouldn't be surprised if plans have changed since they've been quiet on that front for several months.
qa_engineer
Member
I used to play this game a lot on PS4 and then on PC. Despite the graphical overhaul the game is starting to show its age bit IMO but the developer support is unreal.
I mean they did co-develop the Unreal series. They've got the experience.
Glitchesarecool
Member
So looks like some initial assumptions were wrong, PoE will be the next major update and not The Sacrifice. Dates not locked, still targeting late summer.
NullPointer
Member
They've definitely upped the difficulty over time. Enemy fire is more accurate, sometimes minibosses will spawn in during alerts, and more nullifier (power negating bubbles) and eximus units (elites) throughout. But you also have a lot more mobility you can use in defense, and more status based weapons you can utilize (to proc fire, viral, corrosive, etc.)
In the meanwhile Trinity's link (damage reflection) can really turn the tide. Energy vampire can keep you juiced up at all times, and well timed Blessings can keep you in the fight.
Freeman76
Member
It doesnt need one really, dunno if its boost mode or what but it runs so close to 60fps all the time I dont know what more they can do.
Wait this is targeting a late summer release?
If you play by yourself, sure it's 40-60. With 4, it's 20-50 depending on tile set on Pro. Survival always seems like playing 30 though.