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What's up with the 3DS?
- Thread starter Ahoi-Brause
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GAF isn't alone in this. The video game enthusiast press are slamming the 3DS too.Rocket Punch said:
Will the Vita be judged just as harshly when it has the inevitable launch drought? Who knows, probably. People always seem to forget that early adopters always, ALWAYS get screwed. At least with 3DS you got free excitebike.
Pretty sure the 3DS cancellation rate is on par with the industry in general!Zee-Row said:
It depends which parts your talking about. In terms of new features streetpass, spotpass, and miimaker are fantastic. AR is okay but not great. The 3d camera is neat but not great. The 3d is probably the least successful feature just because it seems to actively turn people off the system (anecdotal evidence from showing mine around) and its very sensitive. The friend list and eshop need further development but could become powerful differentiators from the ds as well.LuchaShaq said:
I wished I'd waited for my 3DS purchase sorta. I'd buy a Nintendo system for just the first party software, but if the 3DS doesn't have some stellar third party stuff by next E3, I'll certainly consider it a disappointment for the time being. I really don't have much that I'm personally looking forward to in the near future in that respect. I'm pretty sure my first five or six purchases over the next several months are going to be from Nintendo.. I only grabbed Rayman and SF for the sake of owning something initially.
AceBandage
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Duxxy3 said:
And, and for the first year we got... Rub Rabbits?
It will by next E3. At minimum it will have OoT3D, Star Fox 643D, Super Mario 3ds, Mario Kart 3D, Luigi's Mansion 2, Kid Icarus, and whatever else comes out before then. On top of the already out but not as good Nintendogs+Cats, PilotWings, and Steel Diver. Oh and the recently announced Pokemon Scramble or Blast in NA. I'd say that's a pretty healthy 1st party line up.Sklorenz said:
CrankyKong
Member
Zee-Row said:
what other games have been cancelled for 3ds?
apart from mega man
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
plufim said:
Maybe I'm crazy, but the lineups were similar with the droughts. Difference is the 3DS price is a lot higher than the DS launch price at the time. I think more people would be cool with the lack of games or even might get in if the price of entry barrier was lower.
That is two games. The 3DS had games at launch too! The Vita has a handfull of games ready for launch from 2nd parties and probably Ubisoft, but the exact same thing will happen after that. The first 6-12 months of a systems life is very quiet after the launch month.corkscrewblow said:
Uno Venova
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I don't think any games from the 3DS lineup will stack up to those two though. Super Stardust might come at launch too.plufim said:
Uno Venova
Banned
Actually not really, it doesn't sound familiar, because this is a great games launch, the 3DS launch lineup wasn't so great.plufim said:
We don't know much about how the drought will be after the launch though, but if it has a great launch I'll probably already have a backlog.
outunderthestars
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plufim said:
The launch window lineup for the Vita is much stronger than that of the 3DS. Nintendo rushed this system to market and it shows. We are almost four months past launch and the best game has been a port of an N64 game. Nintendo was banking on the 3d feature driving sales which did not happen.
Things will turn around when Nintendo actually gives consumers a reason to buy their system.
Just wondering, what is the launch window lineup for PS Vita? Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but I haven't heard anything about when the games will be released. The 3DS had a crapload of games announced for it too, but many are yet to come.
EDIT: Nevermind, I googled it. Damn the PS Vita needs to hurry up and get released.
EDIT: Nevermind, I googled it. Damn the PS Vita needs to hurry up and get released.
AceBandage said:
To my memory, the DS was released Nov 2004 and all of the good games besides SM64DS, Wario Ware Touched, and Super Princess Peach came summer or fall 2005. So yeah, basically the same situation.
Nintendogs was Spring 2005, Meteos and Kirby were Summer 2005. This November four months from now (8 months after 3DS launch to match July 2005 which was 8 months from DS launch in NA), I think the 3DS will have the games to at least match the DS.
m.i.s.
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AceBandage said:
That is very, very, very disingenuous...to say the least.
The touchscreen is all about interactivity. And games like Nintendogs, brain training and 42 all time classics, amongst many, many others arrived just at the right time before the rise and popularity of the smartphone.
The DS was a genuine game changer - 3DS not so much. Which is why I find people who try to compare the two (people who say "the same thing was said about the DS at this stage in the 3DS's life") a little bit odd.
Freezie KO
Banned
Yoshi Touch and Go was February and remains the best game on the platform.
Totally agree with this. When the DS launched I was satisfied because the novelty of directly interacting with the screen was totally new back then. Rub Rabbits kept me entertained for a while and so did the other launch titles. Whilst they look mediocre now, they were fresh and interesting experiences back then.M.I.S. said:
3DS just doesn't have that freshness. It's another DS iteration in all but intent.
thecouncil
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Freezie KO said:
haha... come on, man... did you stop paying attention to DS games that March?
AceBandage
Banned
SmokyDave said:
So... the PS2 was just another PS1.
The 360 is just another Xbox OG.
The Gameboy Advanced was just a Gameboy Color.
What the...
I'm sorry, but no.
The DS has a shittastic first year. I'm seriously wondering if people forget just how painful it really was to wait for games like Kirby and Meteos.
The 3DS already has a better first year lineup than the DS did, and saying "Well, the DS was a game changer!" is completely ignoring the fact that no one knew it was going to so drastically turn around on the heels of Mario Kart and Brain Age.
We have no idea what could turn the 3DS's sales from good to outstanding, and saying it's just another DS iteration is just plain ignorance.
Nuclear Muffin
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AceBandage said:
Very true. People seem to forget that it was a gruelling 6 month wait until Kirby Canvas Curse and Meteos came out and the second wave was getting started... slowly (Advance Wars and Nintendogs came 2 whole months afterwards in August, which is when the 2nd wave really got underway).
After the console's launch (where Mario 64 DS and Rub Rabbits were the only games worth bothering with), it was 3 months until Wario Ware Touched (with people complaning that it wasn't as good as Twisted) and another month until Yoshi's Touch N' Go (Where people complained about it lacking in content and being a glorified tech demo - exactly the same as what happened with Steel Diver. Funnily enough, BOTH games were tech demos that were initially shown off at the same time!)
US Launch (November): Mario 64 DS & Rub Rabbits
Feburary (3 month wait!): Wario Ware Touched
March (1 month wait): Yoshi's Touch N' Go
April (1 month wait): Pac Pix
June (2 month wait): Kirby Canvas Curse & Meteos
August (2 month wait): Advance Wars DS, Nintendogs
Note: The DS didn't get released in Europe/Austraila until March, where they got Wario Ware Touched as a launch title (and they got Minish Cap in November instead). Kirby was also delayed until November.
In comparison, the 3DS has had a much better paced launch window, with no huge drought to speak of.
Ahoi-Brause
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Fucking advance wars.AceBandage said:
No handheld after 2000 complete without it.
Freezie KO
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thecouncil said:
No. It's just that good.
DonMigs85
Member
So maybe it's really due to the price plus DSi stealing some of its thunder before 3DS even came out. I know a number of folks who bought a DSi just months before 3DS came out, the fools. Some even think it's just a regular DS with a 3D display, unaware that's it's a new generation system with improved specs.
fabricated backlash
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Nuclear Muffin said:
Just like everyone forgot how shitty the 360 was till GRAW and Oblivion came out way way after launch. An absolute snorefest.
Rinse and repeat. At this point all the 3DS bitching is becoming just noise like allways.
Ruud_Luiten
Member
1. Nintendo DS sold about 800.000 units more than nintendo forecast.
Nintendo 3DS sold about 800.000 units less than their forecast.
The press pays more attention to this, creating a negative spiral
2. Nintendo DS games weren't cancelled in such numbers as Nintendo 3DS games.
3. Nintendo 3DS is the same price as the PSV
4. Nintendo 3DS is the most expensive Nintendo handheld ever
5. 3rd-party support isn't growing, as successor of the DS, this is concerning. Western support is pathetic.
6. With the PS3 we learned that successors aren't always successful, so consumers got a bit more careful. You can only spend your money once....
7. Consumers are used to smartphones more than in 2004, so handheld sales are bound to be lower (There is more competition than before).
8. 3D isn't working as good as people want. Also, a lot of people don't like the 3D effect and get headaches
9. Batteries won't last longer than 5 hours, and loading times are more present than GBA / DS.
10. Nintendo to target a different audience with 3DS, but is not successful in it.
etc etc..
Nintendo 3DS sold about 800.000 units less than their forecast.
The press pays more attention to this, creating a negative spiral
2. Nintendo DS games weren't cancelled in such numbers as Nintendo 3DS games.
3. Nintendo 3DS is the same price as the PSV
4. Nintendo 3DS is the most expensive Nintendo handheld ever
5. 3rd-party support isn't growing, as successor of the DS, this is concerning. Western support is pathetic.
6. With the PS3 we learned that successors aren't always successful, so consumers got a bit more careful. You can only spend your money once....
7. Consumers are used to smartphones more than in 2004, so handheld sales are bound to be lower (There is more competition than before).
8. 3D isn't working as good as people want. Also, a lot of people don't like the 3D effect and get headaches
9. Batteries won't last longer than 5 hours, and loading times are more present than GBA / DS.
10. Nintendo to target a different audience with 3DS, but is not successful in it.
etc etc..
m.i.s.
Banned
Dechaios said:
You know, it works both ways.
Don't forget that, according to Gaf, the 3DS was poised to break all records and would be the launch to end all launches.
There were even some posters claiming that 3DS, like the Wii before it, would be sold out for two years and you wouldn't be able to find it on shelves anywhere (yeah, I don't what that poster was smoking either).
)Sir_Crocodile
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corkscrewblow said:
Not played Ghost Recon then I assume?
fabricated backlash
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SmokyDave said:
The Saturn had way more problems than a lacklustre launch.
Tricky I Shadow
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Rocket Punch said:
THIS! People have forgotten that the DS was in a very similar spot during this time.
Ahoi-Brause said:
Ghost Recon > Advance Wars
And yes, 3DS has been fantastic compared to the NDS´ launch. I mean...damn, that was horrible. I mean... Canvas Kirby was the first bigger title, and even that was more of an innovative than a blockbuster-title.
Can´t wait for this year´s October-conference and what games we´ll get in 2012.
TheRagnCajun
Member
We know games is 1 of 3 problems with the 3DS right now. The 3D effect is a double-edged sword, and the market is saturated with DS and thats keeping them happy for now.
Its too early to call it doomed, but it is clear to me that 3DS is doing to have a harder time repeating the DS' success. Nintendo's past success has been in thanks largely to introducing a cool new idea to market, they have yet to prove they can beat the competition without that hook.
If all you're worried about is games, I'm sure the games will come, and be awesome.
Its too early to call it doomed, but it is clear to me that 3DS is doing to have a harder time repeating the DS' success. Nintendo's past success has been in thanks largely to introducing a cool new idea to market, they have yet to prove they can beat the competition without that hook.
If all you're worried about is games, I'm sure the games will come, and be awesome.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
corkscrewblow said:
Quite easy to be of a tier of a game that has yet to be released.
But yes, it was a brilliant game.
And it's actually out.
Lance Bone Path
Member
Popularity begets popularity, but there needs to be something to create that initial critical mass.Takao said:
Non-gamers are what made the DS the huge hit that it was and I think that with the NDS, it was the touchpad that got non-gamers interested. I suspect that a control scheme new to portable systems would have been a better choice- maybe something like a video camera based control scheme.
Sir_Crocodile
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I wouldn't make any comparisons between tv 3d and the 3ds myself, they're pretty seperate things with the whole glasses issue.
3D wasn't a major hook for me to buy it at all though.
3D wasn't a major hook for me to buy it at all though.