R3TRODYCE
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Xbox One seemingly won't support external storage at launch.
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I mean I know PS4 probably won't have all its promises features in a row at launch (PS4 won't allow installing games to the external harddrive at launch, although to my knowledge they never promised such a feature), but it's really hard to keep track on Xbox One. I am glad people like Albert Penello are around to try to clarify things, but as we've seen, things are so confusing even he can be caught blindsided.
All stems back to the removal of drm a few months ago.
You think its positive but all the 180s have been negative to me. I rather have a steam like drm set up which I love on the pc then the tradtion drm of a console which ive been moving away from for the last 8 years
It's nice to want things, but Microsoft's system was not set up like Steam, and if those benefits were coming, there was certainly no reason to have faith that they were in the pipe.
Anyway, I feel like this battle has already been won for our side, so I'm sorry for the few people on Earth who actually liked Xbox One's DRM anti-consumer nightmare, but the rest of us are still on cloud nine
NullPointer
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Anyway, I feel like this battle has already been won for our side, so I'm sorry for the few people on Earth who actually liked Xbox One's DRM anti-consumer nightmare, but the rest of us are still on cloud nine
well I agree it wasnt set up like steam. Oh wait no it was just like steam outside of beong able to lend the game to 10 friends and not being able to go off line. Aside from those diffrences it was just like the steam ive used for the last decade.It's nice to want things, but Microsoft's system was not set up like Steam, and if those benefits were coming, there was certainly no reason to have faith that they were in the pipe.
Anyway, I feel like this battle has already been won for our side, so I'm sorry for the few people on Earth who actually liked Xbox One's DRM anti-consumer nightmare, but the rest of us are still on cloud nine
I feel the battle was lost for gamers every wjere and we have at least another 5 years sadled with physical media.
Doesnt matter to me noe since with no media center support I wont be buying a console this gen.
And apart from things like, ya know, massive non-stop game sales and backward compatibility with a long history of PC games.
And those things you mentioned.
And surely a million other things that weren't quantified because the system wasn't allowed off the ground.
But besides all those things, it was exactly the same. Point conceded. We're obviously back in May 21 or something.
Gamers according to every poll ever taken about next-gen now prefer PS4 something like 75% to 25%. And that's almost entirely due to those policies. By all means, fight the good fight, but I think few people will be cheering for your victory
not_so_special
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lol..no,sorry but that its pure bs
And apart from things like, ya know, massive non-stop game sales and backward compatibility with a long history of PC games.
And those things you mentioned.
And surely a million other things that weren't quantified because the system wasn't allowed off the ground.
But besides all those things, it was exactly the same. Point conceded. We're obviously back in May 21 or something.
Gamers according to every poll ever taken about next-gen now prefer PS4 something like 75% to 25%. And that's almost entirely due to those policies. By all means, fight the good fight, but I think few people will be cheering for your victory
Steam isnt even compatible acriss it self. I cant plsy all my games on linux or mac. So I dont see why your bringing up compatibility
As for people perfering ps4 there was the same slanted polls with the ps3 before it launched and we all see how well it managed to retiain the ps2 install base .
Uno Venova
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Are you being serious or only joking? Did you really just complain that the massive sales and near unlimited BC are somehow crap because not all of those cheap, awesome games were recompiled for Linux and OSX?
There was one major poll that was slanted prior to the PS3/360 launch, as far as I've ever been able to find, and the rest showed a much more murky picture, which is what ultimately ended up happening with the PS3 taking over the 360 and winning second place.
But regarding PS4 vs. XBO, EVERY single poll, every single pre-order number we have, every website and game store that has had market news leak from it, every...you know what, just wait a few months and see. You're about to be in for a surprise if you're not expecting one result.
Anyway, this is off topic, but Xbox One was never like Steam, and that pipe dream was just that - a dream. Sorry you're still holding onto that dream, but it's time to let it go
You need to apply some Bayesian analysis to the whole poll results. One or two polls could easily be slanted or false. But every metric like pre-order numbers, search tracking and polls have been very heavily in the PS4's favor.
Of course the only poll that matters will be the sales charts but right now the probability of the PS4 outselling the XB1 in every market is higher than the opposite.
Your compatibility argument, however, is ridiculous. It's like saying that PS2 games should be compatible with the OUYA. And Steam earned its DRM with years of good service (and it is nothing like the clusterfuck that was the original XB1 DRM).
On steam I can buy a game digitialy or physicly. They both become a digital game which is tied to my account and I cant trade in or let anyone borrow. There were great sales at certiam holidays during the year.
Seems exactly the same as the announced xbox stuff.
The gaf shutting its ears to whats actually diffrent between the teo allways seemed so odd but then again actually looking at the negativity surrounding ms and the xbox one I n this forum and its quite obvious whats going on.
Seems exactly the same as the announced xbox stuff.
The gaf shutting its ears to whats actually diffrent between the teo allways seemed so odd but then again actually looking at the negativity surrounding ms and the xbox one I n this forum and its quite obvious whats going on.
Damn Summer is a holiday!? And every single day they have a special deal of the day, which is every single day of the year?
Man Steam is getting more restrictive every second, apparently.
What's going on? I honestly don't know. You seem to be clued in so can you share? I'm a little concerned that something is going on, and I don't know about it.
You can buy digital games from a vast variety of places and use it on Steam, AS WELL as the physical copies at stores. Humble Bundle comes to mind.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Nevermind, debating this is "off-topic" I guess, not going to light any fire.
Anyways, I really hope Microsoft patches in external storage as fast as possible. I can make due with 500GB (or whatever the true amount is after the OS and system data), for a few months, or even a year, but after that, I don't see how it'd work. If every game is a mandatory install, and assuming each game is at least 10 GBs, which I don't think is so far out there, you'd be done after 50 games, which sounds like a lot, but really isn't after you consider a good amount will be taken by videos, music, DLC, etc. The faster I can buy a TB USB harddrive, the better.
Anyways, I really hope Microsoft patches in external storage as fast as possible. I can make due with 500GB (or whatever the true amount is after the OS and system data), for a few months, or even a year, but after that, I don't see how it'd work. If every game is a mandatory install, and assuming each game is at least 10 GBs, which I don't think is so far out there, you'd be done after 50 games, which sounds like a lot, but really isn't after you consider a good amount will be taken by videos, music, DLC, etc. The faster I can buy a TB USB harddrive, the better.
I'm not discrediting them, but everyone who is connected to the industry knows that comparing Xbox Live sales to the breadth and consistency of Steam Sales is intentionally trying to muddy the argument.
Yes, there are sales on PSN too, but I wouldn't say it was the same as Steam because it's not. Steam has created a platform which allows people to be more accepting of giving up certain rights because the benefits are endless: constant non-stop HUGE game sales, tuned in with things like Humble Bundle, casting as wide a net as possible. Now they have features of all types, marketplaces to sell items you win in games, card trading features, early access, just every level of feature you can imagine.
There is no evidence to suggest Xbox One - or PS4 for that matter - would ever match the sort of things Steam does on a consistent basis. And it's just wishful thinking otherwise, which is clearly not supported by the company we've seen these past few months constantly changing their story, seeming unprepared, lying about everything and promising stuff that ends up delayed or never comes.
It seems some people just have more faith than others.
I don't know, but enough people that you shouldn't try to discredit its importance, that's for sure.
I'm still sticking by the unpopular opinion that I would have preferred the DRM, I WANTED to be share my game collection with a "family" of friend, that would have been awesome, I thought that one desperate "please don't hate us it's not that bad" gesture from Microsoft made the 24 hour check-in worth it. and regardless of HOW unpopular this opinion is, it is still a valid opinion.
I'm not too hung over it though, I'm fine with the current Xbox One policies as they are.
It's valid, if you actually believe the family share plan was anything like they advertised. It wasn't, but I'm sure I can't convince you of that.
SwiftDeath
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Saw this coming a mile away
Edit: I mean the seemingly non-support for game installation on external drives, it went the way of family sharing
How did we get to Xbox DRM being like steam again?
Argument has been dusted so many times
Edit: I mean the seemingly non-support for game installation on external drives, it went the way of family sharing
How did we get to Xbox DRM being like steam again?
Argument has been dusted so many times
Do you think support will never be added, they say it just won't be there at launch?
Yes I know and the original xbox one drm would allow for it. Which would have been great. All the benfits of DD and physical media .
I dunno ask anyone in school is summer is a holiday.
Its quite obvious what's going on.
If you want to continue on about how the drm wasn't the same as steam although the large majority of the feature set is exactly the same then start a thread on it. I wont take this one any further off topic.
well i haven't gone to school for many years but I will ask my niece
Damn now I feel kind of slow since I don't know what is going on, and it doesn't seem obvious to me at all, so I'm quite lost here
The PS4 announcement and timetable took precisely no one by surprise if they were paying the slightest attention to the industry, and I assure you that MS was.
MS is failing to meet their own multi-year timetable here. It has nothing to do with Sony. Why have they become so suddenly inept and tone deaf? I... have no idea. I find it inexplicable.
SwiftDeath
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I don't know tbh
Certainly more chance of this coming back than the fabled family sharing as people believed that to be
I think you can install xbox 360 games onto usb flash drives right?
Probably to compensate due to the arcade model and not everyone having a HDD
Honestly I don't think MS wants to let us install games outside of the internal HDD without their check in system to make sure everything is on the level
Sure they can validate games with the disc but I don't think they'll allow anyone to full install to externals as that's gotta be a liability for pirating and MS is actually quite actively opposed to pirating
It's possible it'll come back but I'm not overly optimistic
I think you are right
EventHorizon
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Umm....What?!? You must be living in another universe because in mine Steam had offline play and didn't need to check in every 24 hours. Surely you noticed that the Xbox One didn't offer that capability since it was one of the major gripes against it.
No battle was lost. If Microsoft truly wants to innovate with digital DRM they still can. All they have to do is offer a digital package that is better than a disc based one. If MS really can offer better features like they claimed with the digital drm then everybody would use it.
But here is the rub. Nobody believed their hype, and apparently neither did Microsoft. If their entire digital strategy can be foiled because it now has to compete with a disk based one, then that proves that their digital strategy really isn't any better. It would be like CD disk manufacturers throwing in the towel because consumers could still by tape, or iTunes giving up because consumers could still buy CDs. Sorry Microsoft, it just doesn't pass the smell test.
Please explain how enabling the Xbox to function without Kinect being plugged in has been negative to you. Exactly what did you lose by that negative 180 by your definition?
Probably one of the worst examples you could use, between the online communities that persist to this day through Zandronum, and the continued popularity of mods such as Brutal Doom, whose latest official version has a download count numbering over a hundred thousand. Really, Doom is a showcase of the importance of preservation of old games.
I realize the post I'm responding to was edited hours ago, but I felt this point was worth mentioning anyway.