BlastProcessing
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I wonder who requested that feature?
The man has the most photogenic tongue in the business
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Xboxone Resolutiongate (Eurogamer)
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I wonder who requested that feature?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that statement made before or around E3? I'm still under the impression that, at that time, MS still thought they weren't even competing with Sony and were going to sell this new Xbox to a wider audience from the get-go; the whole "Apple of the living room" thing I've touched on before. I get the feeling that vainly delving into power fights was simply MS' hand being forced when they realized that they still have to sell this thing to hardcore gamers for the time being, and that audience currently sees weaker hardware for a higher price. Focusing on hardware power was likely never supposed to be part of the original pitch for the thing.
njean777
Member
Man I remember those times, so many rumors of a Wii HD and every journalist was praising the rumors, now though HD doesnt matter anymore. I laugh so hard at these journalists that downplay this news.
Yeah, and how many of those people bought into the hype at launch, and got rid of it after beating Twilight Princess?
<--- At least one.
Also this.
perineumlick
Member
We don't know the performance differences for Ghosts yet, but for BF4 there are resolution and performance advantages for the PS4 over XBone. If the same holds true for Ghosts, wouldn't you want to own the best version?
Check out lap times on "the ring" for production cars and you'll see that power alone doesn't get you the fastest lap times.
Wii sales plateaued many years ago, as the percentage of households with 1080p TVs increased inexorably.
NullPointer
Member
Is that Miley Cyrus' dad?
Cars == Silicon.
Got it.
This is most definitely the wrong thread then.
I absolutely want the best version and I doubt the selection of which version will ever boil down to native resolution.
Uno Venova
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ha ha we're actually doing this
Glorified G
Member
Teraflops doesn't not equal performance.
RedAssedApe
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Wait so we aren't talking about graphics in this thread anymore? I feel like we are all getting trolled.
I agree with your assessment. Bolded for emphasis.
Night Angel
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What have I done?
Look, these next gen consoles are very similar in terms of architecture. The difference is, the PS4 has more power and better RAM. Think of it (if we're still doing cars) as a Pony Mustang (V6) versus a GT. Then upgrade the suspension of the GT.
Quick, someone do a DBZ comparison to add clarity!
I'm interested to hear what you think is going to up the performance of the XB1 that the PS4 is missing.
Follow the thread back... My original post was in regards to media not reporting on "resolutiongate"
My point being... "Why would they?". The populist consumer doesn't care.
NullPointer
Member
Yes, but the XB1 has features more important than power. Once again, my original post in this thread was in regards to the media's lack of reporting on "resolutiongate."
E.g. Better online, better OS, more "apps", voice controls, etc. All of the can lend to better performance.
if by "balance" and "equilibrium" Microsoft means balancing on a tight-rope between a rock and a hard place, then yes. that makes perfect sense.
I'll assume that's an intentional double-negative used to make an obvious, straightforward statement.
Except they are reporting on it, nearly every major media outlet is reporting on it. They're just reporting (See: downplaying) that the difference between 1080p and 720p isn't noticeable, when this is clearly not the case.
I don't think I've seen anyone on GAF (myself included) that is arguing that people playing BF4 on the Xbox One won't have fun because it's missing pixels.
I'm just tired of facts getting twisted. My primary consoles for the past two gens (GameCube and PS3) have both gotten some awful ports but I still love them both. I freely acknowledge that 360 is 95% of the time a better choice for multiplats. I don't want anyone to be disappointed, I just feel bad for people who keep finding new ways of getting their hopes up on this issue only to be upset later on. Tech discussions should be based in facts and subjective measures of concrete differences of 125% have no place in them.
Then you should tell Samsung, Sharp, Canon, Nokia, LG, HTC, Apple, Google, Amazon, and every another CE manufacturer who's ever released anything with a screen or an image sensor that they are wasting millions, if not billions, of dollars on developing and marketing higher resolution technology to the "populist consumer".
This..
Night Angel
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But you said power doesn't lead to better performance. It absolutely does. Those other factors you're talking about have nothing to do with performance in the terms we've been discussing for this entire thread.
Other threads exist if you wanna talk about features. We're talking about graphics and graphical performance.
Also, your opinion. We are discussing facts in this thread.
BlastProcessing
Member
That would explain a lot actually.
The point is that developers are having a hard time getting parity between the machines. It's not like they didn't try to get the same features up and running. Something is keeping them from it. From what we know about the differences between the boxes we have some pretty good guesses as to what those things are.
Does this mean that Xbox One games will be less fun? Not primarily no, but does point to the idea that Xbox One games take more work to get to a similar performance level as the PS4. More man hours spent on tightening up the graphics on level 3 can come at the expense of tightening up the gameplay on level 3. A lot of the gameplay innovations for next gen are going to rely heavily on performance: Better AI, Destructibility, fluid dynamics, advanced physics, simulated open worlds and so on.
So, yes resolution matters both primarily and secondarily for what it implies about the capabilities of the box. Again, I am sure that someone who buys a Xbox One at launch and plays it exclusively for the next 5 years will have a grand ol' time and get her/his money's worth, people are just trying to place it's price/performance proposition in the context of the bigger picture.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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I think you're spot on here. The 5/21 event was such a complete disaster that it made them realize they still need the core gamer crowd. Retrospect is always perfect but looking back I think the best choice would have been to address the power gap head on during the reveal by saying their GPU was 1.31TF and that it was 6x that in the 360. If pressed on a comparison to the PS4 they should have ignored the PS4 entirely and said they were happy with the performance of their console and point to all the other things they were doing to add value.
I also think they'd gotten complacent about their PR and marketing arm and needed to learn from their problems over the past few years in all areas. The PR arm in particular really let the console down with ill timed and ill judged comments.
Go to amazon.com and tell me what they list under the new kindle. Specs thread doesn't have anything to do with your irrevelancies.
Populist consumers are the people buying up Retina iPhones, 1080p Android phones, and tablets with even higher resolutions.
Unless two or three of those apps boost games up to native 1080p and a couple more lock the framerate at 60, they do absolutely jack shit for performance.
It's ironic really. You could argue that if Microsoft had just said "we aren't pushing the top tier graphically, we accept that, but as a tradeoff you get feature X, Y and Z", and the press had said "well there is a fairly substantial graphical gap that will be noticeable to some, but both versions are equally fun", then there would be much less outcry.
In essence, it's really the downplaying that's causing the outcry.
In essence, it's really the downplaying that's causing the outcry.
NullPointer
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This is exactly whats happening.
For me, in visuals, yes. I'll take PS2-level visuals running at 1080p all day. I will turn everything down (not that I ever need to) on my PC to keep a game at 1080/60. For some reason jaggies make my eyes bleed. It's just a pet peeve of mine like torn fra... TOOOOORN FRRRRAAAAAMES GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?! MEOW I'M ALL PISSED!
The Nurburgring is largely a circuit that favors both power and the ability to maintain balance through a corner. The PS4 is both more powerful and easier to develop for. What this means is that, according to your own analogy, the PS4 is in fact the better performing console. I have no idea why people are still trying to defend the position stating that the Xbone is as capable a machine as its direct competition. Keep telling yourself that "power doesn't equal performance" while the PS4 continues to utilize its performance advantage to outperform X1.
NullPointer
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Jaggies are a sore spot for me too, and its the jaggies that really stand out in these upscaled games.
I'm less sensitive to tearing, but I understand how it drives other people nuts. I'm not about to claim it doesn't exist or doesn't matter.
Was this posted? They couldn't capture xbox MP video even in a controlled environment?!
MS uses PC footage for xbox BF4 promo
MS uses PC footage for xbox BF4 promo
Not only that, they're typically not the guys that wait in line to get all the launch units and will usually just wait for word of mouth to spread - from the people that stood in line to get launch units.
Exactly, and this echoes Amir0x's points from a page or so back. MS, having made the decision to go with this system designed primarily as an all in one entertainment box, are now not confident at all in that vision since the backlash over the original reveal, the jumping ship of Mattrick and generally how badly any PR from their senior execs has been received.
They've tried to go back to the 'most powerful, best games machine' schtick and have been called on it every single time so now they're stuck either clamming up in silence and embargoing everything, too scared to accept the machine and sell it for what it is rather than trying to jump on a power and specs battleship that has long since sailed with the PS4.
Yeah and then they showed 2 hours of Xbox One footage.
Oh! MP footage? Where? IGN was the only direct feed one I've seen
Which didn't look very good...
There's a thread around here somewhere - it;s an EU vs USA 64 player series of matches. It looked really fun, but it's an old build that had texture issues that should be fixed by launch.
Edit: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=694366
First map looked in development. Which is was!
Rest of the game, while not the most stunning version out there looked to be full of BF Moments and great fun.
Septimus Prime
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Well, they did initially try to play to their strengths. It's just that those strengths didn't resonate with gamers, who didn't see any of them as advantages.
You heard it here. Lighter consoles = more frames per second.
Of course if you apply the theory to the weight of the OS, the Xbone is less powerful and heavier.