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A 4x Leap would be PS5 territory.
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Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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A 4x Leap would be PS5 territory.
CosmicQueso
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while the real insiders where we can point to shit they got right get ignored because it's scary.
I keep seeing sentiment like this, but I have no idea what it's referring to.
What is being ignored??
Birgitte2004
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Oh get the hell over yourself.
An even hardware level is the entire reason why I play multiplayer games on console in spite of a gaming quality PC. Full stop.
This is not a "mental construct", and referring to any concern as "silly" just shows that you are closed-minded.
Zoetis saying it's a PS4K and twitter dude saying it's a replacement for the PS4 rev 1200, which is the regular PS4 at MSRP. The concept that Zoetis said this was not.
It will be named PlayStation 4 or PS4. I doubt Sony will name it differently.
Maximum they will change logo, like it was with PS3 slim:
Yeah, highly doubt they change the name.
If it is just a "slim" upgrade with some performance increases I doubt I'll get it until I absolutely need to.
dr_rus
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There isn't much you can do with AA or framerate without going for an X times more powerful GPU. So it's either not happening or is some sort of OS level enhancement like the ability to save more than the last 15min of gameplay etc.
It's rather interesting how they plan to actually make the additional performance closed off from the devs as I see no obvious way of doing this but through lowering the APU clocks maybe?
CosmicQueso
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Why not both?
Maybe this is just a traditional slim concept, but baking in the enhancements being rumored, priced at the same MSRP and a replacement console for the current model on the market?
And both of those statements can be compatible.
It's both & the offloading chip will enhance VR/4K/Media
I keep asking this, but will PS5 even be a new architecture? Couldn't it just be a more drastic upgrade?
Maybe Sony might use a different AMD GPU/APU or whatever, but I don't see any reason for it to leave behind x86.
CosmicQueso
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Really though. Why are those two positions incompatible? Zoetis' comments don't negate the possibility at all.
Yep.
SmoothRunningGun
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Maybe native 1080p with 4k upscaling. Anyway I guess this is real. Sony has to say something soon because only a fool would buy a ps4 now especially if this story starts hitting mainstream sites.
KZObsessed
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Sounds a bit disappointing after all that PS4.5 talk. Was looking forward to a big boost but if it's just a small boost and 4k media ability then I think I'll just stick with the regular. Don't see it as anything anyone should be concerned about.
Looking at the old thread... So many believed.
I knew it wasn't as huge as people claimed
Zoetis said this is about games and this is saying it's about system + media + VR.
4k TVs already upscale 1080p content. So no.
LordOfChaos
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The more I think about this the more I want this only to be a 4K/VR optimized PS4, with the regular PS4 left as the lead platform, if they release the 4.5 at all. Having to worry about a shoddy back port like the old 3DS is now seeing isn't what the most current generation of consoles should be about.
If it's a glorified upscaler that lets you get current levels of PS4 games in VR and 4K, with the regular PS4 still being the developer focus, that's fine. If it's a New PS4 in the Nintendo sense of the word with exclusive games and crappily running Old 3DS games, no to that.
If it's a glorified upscaler that lets you get current levels of PS4 games in VR and 4K, with the regular PS4 still being the developer focus, that's fine. If it's a New PS4 in the Nintendo sense of the word with exclusive games and crappily running Old 3DS games, no to that.
Aren't UHD bluray players incredibly expensive still... this could be the cheapest option for those with 4K TVs, and doubles up as your go to 4K streaming box and of course plays games. I like that it could allow HDR games too, even if not in 4K. I can't wait to see what these new TV's look like, though I won't be able to afford one for years.
If that's all this is then I feel I will be quite happy with my PS4 for some time yet.
If that's all this is then I feel I will be quite happy with my PS4 for some time yet.
Rain City Gamer
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This is also my guess. I also wouldn't be surprised if they put all the VR stuff in the unit as well.
EDIT: More like the Xbox 360 and Xbox Elite. Came out later and added an HDMI port as well as Kinect stuff but was pretty much the same system for games.
ItWillGetBetter
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I'm in.
CosmicQueso
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Again, it could be both. Just not a generational leap that some were (perhaps foolishly) expecting.
Zoetis' comments don't contradict Zhuge's post. Perhaps Zoetis' posts had details read into them that weren't actually there? Perhaps I missed one or two?
Hopefully this is just for 4K media and VR.
I'm disappointed this is even a thing, but as long as it doesnt impact my ability to play all future PS4 titles I guess I can live with it. If they expect me to shell out $400 every 2/3 years, PC sounds like the better bang for my buck.
I'm disappointed this is even a thing, but as long as it doesnt impact my ability to play all future PS4 titles I guess I can live with it. If they expect me to shell out $400 every 2/3 years, PC sounds like the better bang for my buck.
Too soon, I think. My bet is they'll announce that thing on PGW (or TGS), with the following price cut.
IMO, ZhugeEX explanation is more reasonable.
I disagree, but I also don't like post-modernism interpretation. One is saying primarily for games, the other is not but puts an out in.
If that is compatible then there is no spoon. How far we've fallen from rumors like "New IP named Knack will be shown and introduced by Mark Cerny" to this wishy washy bullshit.
Not up-scaling but up-rendering
CrispyBoar
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That's the main reason why there won't be 4K gaming for a long time (if ever).
Heck, there are people who are just now getting into Native 1080p HDTV's.
queequegs__coffin
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I guess the PS4k is real. Sony needs to clarify some shit, or maybe waiting for an E3 reveal.
I hate all the speculation. The old thread positing that the original PS4 was capable of 4k Blu-ray playback is laughably misinformed and, unless/until Sony clarifies the rumors, so is the wild speculation of what the PS4k will and won't do.
I hate all the speculation. The old thread positing that the original PS4 was capable of 4k Blu-ray playback is laughably misinformed and, unless/until Sony clarifies the rumors, so is the wild speculation of what the PS4k will and won't do.
BlastProcessing
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If this happens, I think that this changes the cost/performance balance for consoles in a way that's never been done. I think it's hard to confidently predict the results.
Estimating GPU performance deltas is pretty simple, it's the CPU bound things that can get tricky/annoying.
The age of insiders is over.
This is what I don't understand... they say this will improve VR to compete with rift/vibe but you cant change the 1080p panel in PSVR.
CosmicQueso
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Sorry but you've completely lost me.
THE:MILKMAN
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Yes, I guess. We'll have to wait for Kotaku/Eurogamer to get more fleshed out details. They both have said it is more than a slim though.
The question I have is that if it is a slim with 4k output/blu ray only, why would game developers be discussing it at GDC and did they do the same with PS3 slim?
I also doubt the VR breakout box tech will be integrated into the APU or elsewhere. If VR goes poorly it would cost Sony a lot.
Krisprolls
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If it was a simple HDMI upgrade they wouldn't send kits and brief devs, so of course there's a graphical upgrade.
How big ? Nobody knows, but it's big enough to make some people buy a new model, so definitely not minor.
How big ? Nobody knows, but it's big enough to make some people buy a new model, so definitely not minor.
That's the out.
Anyway, there is no point, as Cosmic said pre-edit. If he's wrong, so what?
Look at number 7
Now that we have more info this seems to be a very different product from what we have heard publicly and what has been circulating privately about the xbox upgrades. The xbox upgrades will be continuous every few years and they will absolutely give power to devs...they are not mainly about vr/bluray 4k/system. They are mainly about moving games in rather sizable leaps forward. 1080 30 to 1080 60 with more effects and better textures
We will see how they show these...but i think they will be very different
'Developers won't have access to 100% of this power' is an interesting point - if true, of course.
Like maybe it's a set of fixed enhancement options devs can enable, to let Sony handle scalability between the two SKUs in a very managed/predictable way. Give devs some extra higher level things they can add on. So Sony could make sure nothing was done that used the power in a way that would make a game unplayable or distinctly less appealing on the original PS4.
Like maybe it's a set of fixed enhancement options devs can enable, to let Sony handle scalability between the two SKUs in a very managed/predictable way. Give devs some extra higher level things they can add on. So Sony could make sure nothing was done that used the power in a way that would make a game unplayable or distinctly less appealing on the original PS4.
Welfare
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A PS4 slim that comes with upgrades, for VR and games alike, sounds like the way to go. PS4 games will continue to be made, so you don't even need to upgrade to the slim if you so choose, while the mass market will be getting a more capable VR machine that plays most of what gaming has to offer.
4K gaming is already here.
CosmicQueso
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Sure.
But I'm trying to figure out what was said that's being ignored (because I'm just really curious, not trying to argue any point).
Here are some of the big points:
-you don't have to fork over more money!
-your existing ps4 will still be the base for ps4 games!
-this is not a new gen, they have 30m+ userbase on existing ps4 consoles!
-there are only some issues if you're jealous!
Just see nothing here that is being ignored at all, or anything that contradicts the latest rumors. What did I miss?
Or is it the term "run" in the final post that is what you're referring to? Since it's not specified precisely how it would be run... a bit difficult to assume it would be native, as it's "running" PS4 games, which are not built for native 4k?
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