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[Sblargh]

PMDB ? Maybe

Temer ? NEVER
Temer has ZERO charisma. And he is legally forbidden to run for an election for a long time =P

I can agree with that.

 

[allansm]

You are talking about the recordings where Dilma and Lula confirm he's being made a cabinet minister for immunity purposes? They were as damning as the latest ones and to pretend otherwise is blatant partisanship.

It's an honest question. I don't care for Lula, if he committed a crime he should be punished like anyone else. However, I didn't see anything in the transcripts that made clear that he was obstructing justice or something. I'm not talking about he being appointed minister, I mean he explicitly saying something incriminating like Jucá did. I might have not read all the transcripts, that's why I'm asking.

Even he being appointed minister is debatable. To those who are not close to petistas, it might look like clear obstruction of justice, but to them it's not. They were claiming for Lula to be appointed minister long before that, they saw it like a desperate last measure to save the government until the very end. It's easy to say that everyone against the impeachment is in favor of corrupts, but that's not true. This choice is nuanced and there are many reasons one might be in favor or against impeachment and still want corrupts in jail. Besides, even in the protests against impeachment there were many people who disapproved of Dilma and her government.

PMDB ? Maybe

Temer ? NEVER
Temer has ZERO charisma. And he is legally forbidden to run for an election for a long time =P

PMDB has no chance of electing a president. That is because of the very nature of the party. PMDB is a gathering of strong regional leaders who have no power outside their regions and who generally have conflicting interests.

 

[Jackpot]

It happened again

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rruption-minister-quits-over-secret-recording

The reputation of Brazil’s new interim government has slipped from fragile to farcical after a minister tasked with fighting corruption was forced to resign over a secretly recorded conversation implicating him in a cover-up.

Just 18 days after being installed as part of the new cabinet, Fabiano Silveira became the second minister to lose his post as a result of leaked tapes suggesting there is a coordinated, high-level campaign to quash the Lava Jato (car wash) investigation into a kickback scandal involving the state-run oil company Petrobras and dozens of politicians.

In the audio Silveira criticises the Lava Jato operation and offers advice on a defence strategy against it.

The broadcast of the audio by TV Globo’s flagship investigations program Fantastico on Sunday made the minister’s position untenable. Dozens of civil servants occupied his office on Monday morning. Hundreds of others held a rally outside the presidential place. The Berlin-based watchdog Transparency International said it would halt dialogue with Temer’s administration “until a full investigation is conducted and a new minister with adequate experience in the fight against corruption is appointed”.

 

[Maledict]

We seem to be at the stage where every aspect of political life in Brazil is corrupt. Usually that would mean a new, fresh party springs up but that doesn't seem to be happening - is the barrier to entry for new parties in Brazil that high?

 

[Coriolanus]

We seem to be at the stage where every aspect of political life in Brazil is corrupt. Usually that would mean a new, fresh party springs up but that doesn't seem to be happening - is the barrier to entry for new parties in Brazil that high?

Not particularly, no, especially in the internet age. The parties that are expected to gain some ground in the next election, Novo and Rede, are both pretty dang new.
(well, novo is tbd if it'll be a fart in the wind, but rede is a pretty safe bet)

 

[Insane Metal]

We're fucked. Everyone is corrupt.

 

[nacimento]

The corruption isn't even the only issue. It's obvious that Temer has to pay his dues for the support he got from the religious right. He has already started by choosing a women's issues secretary who is against abortion even in the case of rape.

 

[forknknife]

The corruption isn't even the only issue. It's obvious that Temer has to pay his dues for the support he got from the religious right. He has already started by choosing a women's issues secretary who is against abortion even in the case of rape.

And she's in favor of women earning less than men. Seriously, what's wrong with these people?

 

[Platy]

One more new article

Brazil's government has sprung a leak, and a flood of secrets is gushing out

It seems particularly apt in the wake of leaked audio recordings that point to ulterior motives for the recent impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff and that have already forced the resignations of two members of the new Cabinet.

Congress voted to put Rousseff on trial on charges that she shifted funds to cover holes in the national budget. The recordings — made before she was booted from office — bolster the suspicions of many Brazilians that her impeachment was both a power grab by political opponents and an effort to stop widespread corruption investigations that targeted them.

The first Cabinet resignation came last week. Romero Juca, the planning minister, stepped down after a leaked recording suggested that his main reason for wanting to remove Rousseff from office was to stop the corruption inquiries. “We have to change the government to stop the bleeding,” the then-senator said in the recording.

Then on Monday night, Fabiano Silveira, who held the newly created post of transparency minister, resigned after the release of a recording of him criticizing corruption investigations and advising two allies on how to avoid punishment. At the time, he was a member of the National Council of Justice, which monitors the court system.

“The recordings show that some of the worst fears about what was happening in Congress weren't just speculation,” said Mauricio Santoro, a political scientist at Rio de Janeiro State University.

[...]

Sergio Machado, a former head of a Petrobras subsidiary who recently negotiated a plea bargain, had secretly recorded Juca and Silveira.

It's not only political elites who have been secretly recorded.

Renan Antonio Ferreira dos Santos, a leader of the Free Brazil Movement, a group of young activists promoting free-market economic policies, was caught discussing how the group received support from political parties to promote pro-impeachment rallies. The source of the recording was unclear.

[...]

 

[Platy]

NY Times Editorial Board - Brazil’s Gold Medal for Corruption

Michel Temer, Brazil’s interim president, displayed poor judgment on his first day in office last month when he appointed an all-white, all-male cabinet. This understandably angered many in racially diverse Brazil.

Their outrage was compounded by the fact that seven of the new ministers had been tainted by a corruption scandal and investigation that have shaken Brazilian politics. The appointments added to the suspicion that the temporary ouster of President Dilma Rousseff last month over allegations that she resorted to unlawful budget-balancing tricks had an ulterior motive: to make the investigation go away. Earlier this year, Ms. Rousseff said that allowing the inquiry into kickbacks at Petrobras, the state oil company, to run its course would be healthy for Brazil in the long run.

Two weeks after the new interim government was seated, Romero Jucá, Mr. Temer’s planning minister, resigned after a newspaper reported on a recorded phone conversation in which Mr. Jucá appeared to endorse the dismissal of Ms. Rousseff as part of a deal among lawmakers to “protect everyone” embroiled in the scandal. That was the only way, he said, to assure that Brazil “would return to being calm.” Late last month, Fabiano Silveira, the minister of transparency, charged with fighting corruption, was forced to resign after a similarly embarrassing leak of a surreptitiously recorded conversation.

[...]

It is not clear how far Mr. Temer will go to root out corruption. If he is serious, and wants to end suspicion about the motives for removing Ms. Rousseff, he would be wise to call for a law ending immunity for lawmakers and ministers in corruption cases.

On a related note, Temer cannot be elected president in the next 8 years because of ... "irregularities" ...you know, the ACTUAL PRESIDENT cannot become a president in the next 8 years

 

[Jackpot]

Those last 2 posts haven't actually had any new news in them.

 

[Platy]

Those last 2 posts haven't actually had any new news in them.

The "can't be elected in 8 years" is new.

And it is always fun to see the english press talking about this.... threads are not made only of facts but also opinions

 

[astroturfing]

hmm i've read many posts in this thread but i still don't quite understand whats going on..

can someone distill all this shit in a single post that an 8 year old could follow and understand? thanks.

 

[lord]

hmm i've read many posts in this thread but i still don't quite understand whats going on..

can someone distill all this shit in a single post that an 8 year old could follow and understand? thanks.

i agree , I got lost at the impeachment.

 

[Mugsy]

i agree , I got lost at the impeachment.

I will give a shot though I am not Brazilian and may get some things wrong and will certainly leave a lot out.

An anti-corruption probe (still ongoing) named Operation Car Wash found large amounts of corruption involving the state controlled oil company Petrobras. Lots of politicians involved including people connected to President Dilma though not Dilma directly. Former President Silva is questioned but given a public office by Dilma shielding him from normal prosecution.

Lots of protests over corruption and Impeachment procedures begin for Dilma not over corruption but some economic and budgetary issues that are vague and hard to follow, but everyone really only cares about corruption. Other parties jump on this for their own benefit decrying corruption etc.

Dilma is suspended and new President comes in and surprise, they are also corrupt. They supported the Impeachment because why not take down your competitor and gain the presidency yourself. Possibly want to control the anti-corruption probe to save themselves as well, though that may be only one politicians hope.

TLDR: Everyone is corrupt, now the only debate is which one is more corrupt.

 

[Abilidebob]

I will give a shot though I am not Brazilian and may get some things wrong and will certainly leave a lot out.

An anti-corruption probe (still ongoing) named Operation Car Wash found large amounts of corruption involving the state controlled oil company Petrobras. Lots of politicians involved including people connected to President Dilma though not Dilma directly. Former President Silva is questioned but given a public office by Dilma shielding him from normal prosecution.

Lots of protests over corruption and Impeachment procedures begin for Dilma not over corruption but some economic and budgetary issues that are vague and hard to follow, but everyone really only cares about corruption. Other parties jump on this for their own benefit decrying corruption etc.

Dilma is suspended and new President comes in and surprise, they are also corrupt. They supported the Impeachment because why not take down your competitor and gain the presidency yourself. Possibly want to control the anti-corruption probe to save themselves as well, though that may be only one politicians hope.

TLDR: Everyone is corrupt, now the only debate is which one is more corrupt.

Pretty much nailed it.