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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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thelastword
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That depends if they push the 4k native issue.....remember when people mocked the PRO for having checkerboarded solutions? MS was pretty adamant on 4k native and how "uncompressed" the pixels would be. I've seen many jabs at pro for being "faux k", so if Scorpio is the most "powerful console ever" it will have to show it in more than a few fps....If devs push resolution and better graphical settings, framerate will naturally take the fall.....
MilkyJoe
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Gonzooki?
The Mad Draklor
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Interesting to see that "hi-fidelity VR" is taken out.
Too bad both mid gen updates focused on resolution over performance. I'm not getting a 4k TV anytime soon so there is little incentive for me to upgrade either platform.
I'm most interested in how MS will handle the Scorpio sdk and OS wise now. They already have shown that they are good at translation with 360 releases on XB1. It would be great if their SDK allowed for a simple uprender solution that doesn't need extensive QA. That way they would get more 4k games faster after the console releases.
I'm most interested in how MS will handle the Scorpio sdk and OS wise now. They already have shown that they are good at translation with 360 releases on XB1. It would be great if their SDK allowed for a simple uprender solution that doesn't need extensive QA. That way they would get more 4k games faster after the console releases.
tiredheadcrab
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Jez Cordon says he also saw the documents that were dated around E3 2016 and says things have changed. Not sure what he is implying on the hardware or dev tools.
NotSmartEnough
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And "all Xbox one games" is now "Xbox one games"...
MilkyJoe
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And can you put some light on the removal of the "high fidelity VR" from the slide?
Thanks
As a smart exec, I'd be mandating an enhanced 1080p mode. With so few people owning 4K TVs, being able to show the benefits Scorpio bring at 1080p, versus the vanilla One would sell shit loads of consoles.
Only marketing Scorpio as a 4K box would be a huge mistake.
Collateral22
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Didn't MS reveal their own VR headset? I figured it would use that, considering Oculus requires an i5 class CPU.
Delusibeta
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The problem is that AMD's CPUs are genuinely dreadful. Your 6 year old CPU would run rings around the CPU in the PS4 Pro in PC games. That's largely why Zen is so hyped (it's the first AMD CPU in the smart end of a decade that looks like its going to not be completely worthless for gaming) and why everyone is disappointed with this paper implying a Jaguar CPU (which means a 60fps upgrade at any resolution won't happen for any console game currently available that runs at 30fps).
Head.spawn
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I'm sorry, faux K is still hilarious and we gotta remember, it was just a joke; same as 1080pr and the like.
As for the rest, again it's hard to comment on that when we have no clue how that performance pans out and the conversation also doesn't take into consideration other areas where Scorpio has gains in potential bottlenecks that could factor in.
Looks really good too. It could certainly use a smidge more clarity, but I'll be damned if doesn't look pretty awesome in action. That dude with the dual hatchets up close going ape shit on you is a sight to see.
NotSmartEnough
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I think the speculated RAM increase is still significant.
A new CPU was always speculative, given the timescales.
Presumably to avoid confusion that some people may read that as all xbox games will be 4k, when in reality , just like PS4, they will need patches.
I don't know how anyone can spin this as bad news. Jaguar core (probably), no ESRAM, 6TF... that almost certainly means a $400 price point and that it will release on time this year.
The bullshit merchants who were going on about $500-600, Zen core, 8TF, 2018 release etc were wrong! Thank god for that.
The bullshit merchants who were going on about $500-600, Zen core, 8TF, 2018 release etc were wrong! Thank god for that.
Delusibeta
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And, as the PS4 demonstrates, pretty much all the developers disagree with you. Subsequently, I do expect Scorpio to be marketed as a 4k first an foremost (if this paper remains true).
This is my gut reaction currently as well IF they are still implementing a VR solution for Scorpio at launch. Especially since Oculus is fucking toxic right now with the court cases & Luckey.
Jaguar is an alright cpu, especially when it was released. Bulldozer was the line that people really had a problem with.
I mean, jaguar competed with intel's comparable cpus at the time, so it has nothing to do with amd.
They revealed like a line made by other companies and I'm assuming those will work on Scorpio but some are better than others and whatnot.
CrimsonEclipse
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This is what I am seeing in this thread as well. The article really doesn't tell us much of anything new. Shit the white papers they are looking at were released right after the E3 reveal, like cmon lol. People who are ignoring a 40%+ GPU advantage are either trolling or just have no idea what any of this means.
In terms of CPU nothing has been confirmed in this white paper, also MS never stated what kind of 8 core CPU we are gettong, so everything is speculation...White paper don't confirm anything besides no more esram and some GPU features. If this thing does come with a Jaguar, no one lied to us...As it was never confirmed in the first place. End of the day, Scorpio is a powerful machine and has an advantage over the pro. Whether or not we get a substantial amount of native 4k games remains to be seen but expect it to have more than the pro will.
Resident_UA
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Hmmm... I was sort of counting for this to be a substantial improvement over PS4 Pro. It would be a good reason to upgrade original Xbone to the one with 4K blu ray player...
Jaguar would get outclassed by a first gen i7 which released 7 years ago, potentially even a i5. They're crap.
wapplew
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They didn't confirm or deny Zen and 8TF, so there's a chance.
I think they lead people to believe that there should be improvements across the board. The new approach is no more generations, just gradual constant improvements to the box. If it does have the same CPU, it's very much the same generation as Xbox one.
More Xbox one s pro and less Xbox 2017.
Okami Haundo
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I absolutely agree with you here. Sony made this mistake during their initial unveiling of the PS4 Pro and left many non-enthusiasts confused as to whether the Pro did anything outside of 4K.
Microsoft could really excel here by highlighting 1080p improvements. Especially if they have a decent game lineup planned for this year. Every game announced at their E3 press conference "needs" to show us performance on Scorpio vs Xbox One S first and foremost. IMO, 4K should be a footnote unless they somehow have a magical way to showcase it for the people who will watch via 1080p sets.
Collateral22
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Yeah I'm surprised at how well it holds up at certain configurations, the potato masher series on YT uses one, and with a 480 can get pretty high framerates on Witcher 3, which is a big CPU intensive game.
it is still substantially more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
I'm curious to if their overall approach for VR has changed if they removed the section saying g only the Scorpio could do it.
Okami Haundo
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It's worth noting that since E3 2016, Microsoft showed off their VR project for Windows 10.
I wonder if they just drop it completely. It's nothing people are crazy about in masses currently and it's still missing the one killer game to convince people. In the end, they would have to rely on third party support anyway because of close to no first party games.
Completely agree. I've got a 2nd gen i5 in my laptop and I recently installed an SSD as the hard drive was dying and it feels brand new.
Props to Intel.
tiredheadcrab
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His Twitter feed.
it's a low power sub $100 cpu
Reading between the lines that seems very unlikely and frankly so much the better. It needs the $400 price point and it needs to release this year.
Lmao at this guy, Scorpio is many times stronger than switch.
PuppetMaster
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The all your xbox games taken out too. Wow if this means what I think it means.
MilkyJoe
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That's not fair.
Bitch Pudding
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...compared to a game running in native 1080p, though.
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