Duallusion
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EDGE: Sonys VR tech will be revealed at GDC
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I think so, they just added trophies.
It seriously needs more horse power too, it runs like shit.
Lol, mickey mouse factory. Anyway, what is VR, besides stereo 3d output of a game coupled with various motion tracking methods? Seriously, someone educated me. Cause it doesnt sound that farfetched to me. Im sure some compromises have to made, like when running uncharted 3 in 3d, but nevertheless.
You speak much sense. I think Its the compromise that some people don't like. Of course its not going to be perfect and of course its not going to as impressive as PC and of course the PS5 will be better but you've gotta start somewhere. I've never used VR but from the reactions I've read from the base Rift, sounds like something to be excited about.
I think the hardware will be good, as the move and eye toy are both solid. I just hope there's a decent amount of content for it, and that Sony stays good to the indy scene, which should flourish.
And War Damn, my Auburn brother!
This would make a ton of sense.
I really hope Media Molecule makes something for VR. Their art styles wouldn't be too technically taxing and could be incredible in a VR landscape.
i'd say there was a 1% chance it got delayed for polish and making it a great driving game
It is something that needs to be experienced.
It's easy to say it's not worth the visual sacrifices when someone hasn't had a chance to experience the advantages.
While the PS4 is a nice bump from the PS3, it's not an interesting change for people, but outside of the lucky few who've had a chance to use modern VR, most people have no idea whatsoever what VR actually is, and it's going to shock people, regardless of the fidelity hit those people will be taking by using it.
EDIT: I don't believe DC was delayed for this. The game was literally never shown running with more than one car on the track, and it barely held 30fps. It was presumably running like ass. Insiders or not, I'm not buying it.
This is the same company that gave us the Move and 3D. I'm not exactly confident in Sony's ability to produce such an item when their possible competition is doing better things.
Sony can surely make this happen.
It will have cutbacks, naturally.
quality of assets will be way down compared to traditional games but this doesnt exactly matter from what I understand from valves talks about VR. Its good as long as it creates the illusion of actually beeing there for the brain. grafical assets are of lesser importance.
PS4 is just an evolution of gaming, VR is a revolution. The true next gen.
It will be like going from text adventures to graphical games. From 2D to 3D. And potentially far more than that.
text based games - graphical games - 3D games - Virtual Realtiy - Holodeck.
We are not far xD
what company did it better?
Move was the most precise and responsive design of motion gaming.
Also I dont think you can compare such a relatively toy-ish thing like move or 3D to what VR can potentially do.
It will have cutbacks, naturally.
quality of assets will be way down compared to traditional games but this doesnt exactly matter from what I understand from valves talks about VR. Its good as long as it creates the illusion of actually beeing there for the brain. grafical assets are of lesser importance.
PS4 is just an evolution of gaming, VR is a revolution. The true next gen.
It will be like going from text adventures to graphical games. From 2D to 3D. And potentially far more than that.
text based games - graphical games - 3D games - Virtual Realtiy - Holodeck.
We are not far xD
what company did it better?
Move was the most precise and responsive design of motion gaming.
Also I dont think you can compare such a relatively toy-ish thing like move or 3D to what VR can potentially do.
KZSF redeemed.
Move was the most accurate and responsive console motion controller last generation. I'm not sure I understand your point.
Having received a Razer Hydra recently... the PS Move still holds that position.
dark_prinny
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Bring the Videodrome SONY. And bundle it with an 80´s Debbie Harry with every single one of them. Long live the new flesh!
iceatcs
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And both aren't broken at all.
Just software opinions, there may be not enough or nothing you like. May better support than 360 Kinect and Wii Balance Board.
Wii Balance Board is the worst problem - sell great but not many games support.
TrojanBlade
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And both move and 3D were excellent in terms of tech. The real issue was not enough software support and that is my concern here too. Also until someone really experiences the VR it's hard to sell it from videos. So that's another challenge to overcome.
Yeah agree. I'd imagine plenty of people passing a store with one in would be curious enough to try it, like with 3D tv's. The Rift looks crazy looking too so that should help things.
I saw someone mention earlier that it would be pretty disgusting to stick your face into a device that lot of other people already have. Unless they have an employee there cleaning the device after each use, I ain't usin it.
i currently have a GPU which is putting out similar performance to the PS4, coupled with a much more powerful CPU and i wouldn't even begin to consider it VR ready.
i'd like to think that if sony have come up with their own wonder headset, they won't be so boneheaded and myopic as to bind it to a single device which is grossly underpowered for the task.
i'd like to think that if sony have come up with their own wonder headset, they won't be so boneheaded and myopic as to bind it to a single device which is grossly underpowered for the task.
Astral/H3X
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Uhhhh not really. Wiimote is still better than Move.
Yeah demo stations sound gross.
Glorified G
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Wait, so you're agreeing with that post?
Betta Lines
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I think the point about 3D is that the PS3 was having its work cut out to run games at 720p30, and 3DTV demanded so much more, and they had to make significant compromises to get it to work, to the point where the image quality was pretty horrendous (a similar drop in quality to running a splitscreen multiplayer game). They were able to get away with it in certain games, particularly those already running 60fps, because they could just run them at 30fps in 3D and it was still 'good enough'. VR has stricter requirements. You can't get away with 'good enough' to the same extent as they did with 3D. (30fps is certainly not good enough, for instance).
The concern is that the PS4 is potentially in a similar situation, and this time it's having its work cut out to run games at 1080p60. VR is more demanding, so compromises have to be made. If they compromise as much as they did on PS3 with 3D, the VR experience may suffer to the point where it's not quite good enough (for some people who are particularly prone to motion sickness for example).
However, they should be well aware of this and have strict guidelines for developers, so it might not be a problem.
Sorry simply not true.
Wiimote is 3DOF...
PS Move / Razer Hydra is 6DOF. The Wiimote wouldn't work in a VR setting.
Actually yeah thats true lol. Wouldn't be too pleasant. Sucks to be the sweat wiper!
Huh.
This patent was already posted a while back but I think some of its significance may have been missed.
I'd be curious what other people think about it.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP2660643A2.html
Basically on a second read it sounds like a system that would split low frequency motion response and high frequency motion response across two systems.
Low frequency motion would be responded to using viewpoint changes from the renderer.
High frequency motion would be responded to using either mechanical movement of the displays inside the HMD, mechanical movement of optics, or digital movement of a wider panoramic image across the displays. This would allow much lower latency response (all within the HMD) to high frequency head motion without having to ask the render pipeline for new viewpoint renderings.
Plausible?
I'm not sure it would subvert the need for a reasonably high minimum framerate, for the low frequency component of the motion, but it might allow low latency response to very high frequency motion without need for very high framerate.
It kind of reads like a simpler version of Carmack's continuous time warping, but possibly happening within the HMD (i.e. a much tighter motion:response loop), and with the tradeoff that the response to these motions would be translational rather than rotational+translational. But for such small motions this might be accepted by the eye.
This patent was already posted a while back but I think some of its significance may have been missed.
I'd be curious what other people think about it.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP2660643A2.html
Basically on a second read it sounds like a system that would split low frequency motion response and high frequency motion response across two systems.
Low frequency motion would be responded to using viewpoint changes from the renderer.
High frequency motion would be responded to using either mechanical movement of the displays inside the HMD, mechanical movement of optics, or digital movement of a wider panoramic image across the displays. This would allow much lower latency response (all within the HMD) to high frequency head motion without having to ask the render pipeline for new viewpoint renderings.
Plausible?
I'm not sure it would subvert the need for a reasonably high minimum framerate, for the low frequency component of the motion, but it might allow low latency response to very high frequency motion without need for very high framerate.
It kind of reads like a simpler version of Carmack's continuous time warping, but possibly happening within the HMD (i.e. a much tighter motion:response loop), and with the tradeoff that the response to these motions would be translational rather than rotational+translational. But for such small motions this might be accepted by the eye.
It's better just for aiming.
If Sony didn't consider PS4 capable of compelling VR, this thread wouldn't exist.
This is just what Carmack and M.Abrash have been looking into in regards to VR.
Haha surprising that not many people have addressed this post
Ha I read it, I just wasn't sure what to make of it. It's basically confirming that it wasn't for those reasons right? he said 1 percent.
I took it to mean it was delayed for VR, which I don't believe.
Not even remotely close to true, regarding the technology.
Astral/H3X
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Well...
In terms of support, no doubt, that's a given. But the tech...?
This is more what I was referring to. As for its abilities as 6DOF, with Motion Plus it's pretty good at it, based on Skyward Sword (IF YOU HAVE A BUILT IN MOTION +) and even Wii Sports resort, just moving the rackets around. I don't know latency on that part in particular, but trying to play Killzone, RE5, or whatever other game it was that I'd played on PS3 with Move was terribad after CoD, RE4, and every game on Wii.
EDIT: OG Wiimote was bad at the actual motion bits though, I'll give ya that. But basing your tech on the Move's ball means that pointing is loltastic, and based on its ability to find a distinctive color, which is admittably not a huge problem.
I have no questions it will work... but how well?
A game that runs at 1080P at 60FPS that max's out the PS4 cannot run at those specs on a VR set. At the least you're looking at 1080P and 30FPS per monitor and even then, who's to say the VR headest will be spec'd at 1080P screens?
I don't expect the specs to blow me out of the water...
I think the idea would be that this would happen inside a black box at the end of the pipeline - i.e. would be happening for all VR games. The HMD would look after high frequency response itself independent of the render pipeline. The render pipeline would still need to spit out images fast enough to cover lower frequency motions though.
Again though, I'm not sure if this is actually feasible or not. But the idea is in there.
