Exactly.
Heck, look at the majority of modern sports games that ship with huge problems/bugs on the disc alongside a day 1 patch to fix them.
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Forza 5 will require a day 1 free DLC download
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Heck, look at the majority of modern sports games that ship with huge problems/bugs on the disc alongside a day 1 patch to fix them.
Like I said, it's such a clusterfuck lol.
They are gonna need to hand out a pamphlet with every Xbone sold. I have no idea how they are gonna explain this all.
I don't think it's exactly the same thing. Day one patches right now just fix bugs. This update for Forza contains tracks and cars.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
BF3 on my 360 would of sucked hard without that day 1 patch.
FairXchange
Member
I'm amazed at how people are still missing the crux of the issue on this one.
You mean like any MMO?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's NOT THE SAME AT ALL
How are people this dense?
You have to download a patch to play the game offline or online. PERIOD
Uno Venova
Banned
DLC or a patch seems like the wrong word.
It's the rest of the game.
It's the rest of the game.
You buy the retail game. Your Xbone is offline. Forza 5 will not work as a big chunk of required content has to be downloaded before the retail game functions.
Ravensmash
Member
I don't think this is a bad thing. If it genuinely allows Turn 10 to get more content into the game while meeting the other deadlines then a little inconvenience isn't so bad.
I'd wager that the vast majority of launch buyers will likely be connecting their system online anyway, and presumably Turn 10 can always put the content onto later pressings of the disc post release.
I'd wager that the vast majority of launch buyers will likely be connecting their system online anyway, and presumably Turn 10 can always put the content onto later pressings of the disc post release.
No, it's not the exactly same thing but his statement was true nonetheless. Plus every Xbox One will come with a 500 GB Hard Drive so the difference in content when it comes to taking up space shouldn't be that different.
Is Forza 5 a online only game?
Truespeed
Member
So, if I understand correctly, you're saying the fridge has no food?
No, look at the context of my reply. The guy I replied to was asking if it was legal to sell a game that had to connect to the internet to download the rest of it. Of course it's legal.
Of course it is, as long as they have this information on the game box somewhere.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is moral.
backbreaker65
Banned
Don't quote that guy, he is blind to anything MS.
Zombie James
Banned
If people want to use sports analogies, this is like releasing Madden without players or stadiums. Not even in the same universe as a day one bug fix patch.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
His statement was not true, name a game on the PS3 or 360 that requires an internet connection to download content to make a game work that is not online only.
clay_ghost
Member
That why the whole thing is so shity, Microsoft should delay their launch. This is even worst than wiiu day one patch...
I NEVER SAID IT WAS THE SAME.
All I did was agree with him. And to be honest, with all of the major bugs that sports games ship with, I would go as far as to say that they are pretty much "unplayable" without Internet.
I obviously mean unplayable in a different way though (hence the quotes).
This 'Day 1 patch' culture is arguably the worst thing about this generation.
I remember the time when you could get a game and go. You bought the disc, couldn't contain your excitement on the way home, put it in your console and started playing.
Now? Now I have to allocate patch and installation time. I have to have another activity lined up to do in the interim period before I get to play my game. The one I just bought.
I really wish we could get back to the "we ship a finished product" idea, but it seems very few companies go with that now. Why delay when you can ship a game, and patch the critical flaws as your consumers best test your buggy software?
Mandatory day one DLC, because the authentication process is ... what? What? If you can ship a completed product on the disc, wait? Wait, maybe? If the game isn't ready for launch, don't fucking launch with it, I dunno ... just possibly?
I remember the time when you could get a game and go. You bought the disc, couldn't contain your excitement on the way home, put it in your console and started playing.
Now? Now I have to allocate patch and installation time. I have to have another activity lined up to do in the interim period before I get to play my game. The one I just bought.
I really wish we could get back to the "we ship a finished product" idea, but it seems very few companies go with that now. Why delay when you can ship a game, and patch the critical flaws as your consumers best test your buggy software?
Mandatory day one DLC, because the authentication process is ... what? What? If you can ship a completed product on the disc, wait? Wait, maybe? If the game isn't ready for launch, don't fucking launch with it, I dunno ... just possibly?
Captain Bluey
Member
Honestly, the number of whingers about having to download content on day one. If you dont like it, then dont buy it.
I think this is a good move as it ensures the quality and content of the game will be as high as possible at launch. Onwards to the future I say.
I think this is a good move as it ensures the quality and content of the game will be as high as possible at launch. Onwards to the future I say.
yea, really the internet is normal now, it's not like people don't expect to be connected to get all the best from the games , many have game fixing patches and most people are online at some point or can be for ten minutes
the over reacting... in here :lol
I honestly don't think you've played many sports games...or seriously any at all.
We'll see on launch day when/if the servers get hammered...
Ravensmash
Member
The content is available to every buyer though, to imply that anyone is receiving a half finished product is asinine considering the actual system requires a one time online log in anyway.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
If this thread isn't a perfect example of stereotypical NeoGAF overreaction I don't know what is.
I've never seen a group of internet forum users so aghast at the idea of connecting a piece of technology to the internet.
The sky is falling!
I've never seen a group of internet forum users so aghast at the idea of connecting a piece of technology to the internet.
The sky is falling!
weekend_warrior
Banned
It's setting a bad precedent. This isn't a day 1 patch to fix a problem that got through quality control. They're releasing an incomplete game and forcing you to download the rest in order to play. It's a DRM work-around, and they're setting a precedent that disk games you buy are never guaranteed to work without connecting to the internet.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
50gb of Blu-ray storage just so they can put a launcher client on it.
I feel like perhaps Forza 5 should have been delayed (as Infamous SS was), but Microsoft really wanted it for Launch. PS4 has Driveclub, and they wanted something to go against it.
Don't listen to him, guy posts dumb shit in every thread I go into anymore it seems like.
But what if? Think about it man...
edit: That's an asshole thing for me to say. Just because I have internet doesn't mean everybody does.
Actually that is exactly what you are receiving. The disc itself is not a complete product.
The Keyword here as always is "mandatory"....
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Oh I know, it's such an overreaction to something that has never been done before in the history of console gaming.
But then again, you eat up all MS PR as gospel, like the cloud BS.
NBA 2K10 (iirc) shipped with an issue in which the game stuttered and was completely unresponsive when a bunch of players were underneath the basket. Pretty much made the game unplayable if you couldn't get the patch.
This is just what happens these days when games are rushed. Since sports games come out every year (short dev time) they are a really good example. So yes, I agree with him that it's just the next step of current trends.
Dang, burn.
Why? If MS want to try and set a "precedent" let them. If it blows up in their face we'll all br there to laugh and if there's no backslash, well good for them.
CassiusLonginus
Banned
Marketing and PR speak ... aren't they amazing?
FairXchange
Member
There are services that exist that make being online an essential and completely integrated part of receiving that service, like being online in Steam to talk to friends, or to participate in sales. To the point that people come to associate that service with it's connectivity.
MS' XBL policy has not reached that stage, but they sure are committed in forcing connectivity for contrived and unessential purposes. The locking out of content or capability until being online is a common theme, they originally were going to lock out the Xbox One game playback until you checked in online.
MS is clearly demonstrating their looking to sell you something, and then take it back (or in this case not actually give it to you) until you comply with their unnecessary online policy.
Considering you were defending MS around their work with the NSA and providing back-doors into their systems, I am hardly surprised you're an apologist for this as well
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