Where do you deport them to though? Can't send them back to Syria, it's a failed state and they'd be handed back into the custody of those they ran from. This would likely mean torture and execution.
I imagine that general EU law is the same as in Sweden where you first try if the country in question is safe (according to migration office praxis), then you try the first Dublin Country (as neither Germany nor Sweden has an obligation to accept refugees that didn't arrive there first). Even then (in Sweden) the crime needs to be severe and there needs to be a risk of further crimes or a threat to national safety. If no country accepts then you'll serve time within the national criminal justice system.
You are trying changing the narrative. We were talking about a group of 7 setting a hobo on fire and now suddenly you try to change it to "What, are you saying individual assaults without fire are not bad?? What kind of person are you??". It's like textbook goalpost moving. Of course its also bad, to a comparably lesser degree(than attempted murder), but what the hell does that have to do with what we were talking about? The claim was this(group of ppl setting hobos on fire) happens all the time by natives without it getting much media attention and I'm still waiting for all those incidents.
No, you can't.
You don't waive and destroy human rights because someone ignores them. Just like you don't murder a murderer or torture someone that used to torture others. Do you have any idea what human rights, and, you know, laws in general are?
Native germans or native Europeans, where did you move those goalposts? And how many people need to be involved to score points? At least 7 or...?
Investigating. It'll likely be considered arson in any case.
I'd think people fleeing from Syria are fleeing from roving thugs. Who's to say they were not fleeing from those fine people we have here. We can't do it because of laws which are there to protect the innocent, and these thugs stand to benefit from it, which is an unfortunate if necessary byproduct. Then again, laws should be for the people, not the other way around.
Might be. But the guy was there. If I set your bed in fire while you are in it, that is not attempting to "watch him freak" (wtf...) but attempting to burn you.
You are free to make threads about those other issues you know.
I did not move any goalposts. I've repeated it a billion times. The claim was "germans do this(a big group setting a hobo on fire)" all the time and it never gets reported like this". This has already been debunked by the fact that this was already reported everywhere here before the culprits nationalities were known. And so far still nobody has presented these multiple german groups regularly setting hobos on fire that would support the original claim. Nobody ever said "germans are saints and never assault hobos" but you built that strawman anyways in order to shift discussion so you can avoid admitting you were wrong.
There definitely needs to be some sort of separation to avoid having them radicalize other inmates. All within the law of course.
So we should not jail people when they commit horrendous crimes? We should get back to jailing and reforming like jails are meant to do.
"Radicalize"? What about these guys makes you think they're going to radicalise inmates in a prison?
Not these in particular, as they don't seem to have radical islamist motivations or anything. But they could very well fall victim to radicalization in prison as many european prisons are a prime location for that.
Great idea; shall we also make them work while we wait for their application to be processed? Maybe they can help with some manufacturing, or some other jobs, possibly for free no?
Clearly imprisoning radicalizing inmates seperate from others(doesn't need to be an island) = nazi concentration camps. Stop with this extremely hyperbolic Black/White nonsense.
Radicalization in prison is a real problem throughout Europe. They could fall victim to it themselves.
Clearly no one has suggested islands where to keep the refugees before accepting them, right? Everything that has been said here has already been said in the other thread, so stop denying things. The idea of a prison island has been tried so many times in the past and it was a complete failure. Shall we try with another great suggestion of "re-education"? But no, it's me being black or white.
I'm not part of some hivemend who automatically agrees with everything everyone else "on my side" says, so I don't care what others suggest. I'm talking about asylum seekers/refugees that have become criminal in a way that would usually result in deportation. And I specifically said it would have to be within the law.
Yes, I'm aware.
It goes to show that a few posters on GAF will even go as far as to defend people trying to burn a hobo with the classic (still unsubstantiated) "but the natives too!!" in order to keep their worldview intact.
Well, it is news, isn't it? A ton of bad stuff also isn't posted that is connected to refugees, but it seems this case is special because... it was a group of people trying to set a man on fire.
If people from safe countries are just being deported straight away, and we lock up criminal ones from unsafe countries, and that is shown to the population and effective, about 90% of complaints about the refugee crisis would disappear I think. But now you have this constant trickle of news and crime - which deserves to be reported upon - that just makes people angry because they feel nothing is being done about it.
People are talking about the convicted criminals, not all of them.
Utterly disgusting
They are investigating attempted murder, it'll likely be considered arson in any case. The post he was replying to was stating how they set fire to the mans belongings, which would likely amount to arson (also called "murder fire", in direct translation from Swedish, but still a separate crime). Murderous intent would be the differentiator and I don't know if we have conclusive evidence on that point?
You didn't answer with your specific criteria for a similar or equal situation. Unless you do that you will be able to move the goalposts further like you have before. It's pointless to argue with you as long as you don't give us any specifics to debunk.