Khaos_Knight
Banned
I'm glad I waited for this. All of these remasters just prove that the last generation went on longer than it was suppose to and this one will end sooner.
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Vergil teased for DMC4:SE! (Also, DmC Definitive Edition trailer)
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Explaining the importance of the Sparda sword in DMC1 is simple - it's symbolic for Dante taking his father's place (again another recurring thing in DMC1). But DMC3 does pretty much establish that Force Edge itself gives power to its user.
I'd rather they just fully retcon DMC2 and say it never actually happened.
The Silver
Member
Vergil aint got the patience to wait around until however old Dante is in DMC2, he wants power NOW and Sparda sword is the easiest and quickest way he knows.
I always saw DMC2 Dante's power as him simply getting stronger with maturity, there's no "gimmick" to his DDT, just the natural course his powers take as he gets older. DDT being exactly what it says it is, a desperation move.(there should've been a big consequence to using it though)
Yeah I also agree especially if according to Capcom DMC2 takes place far, far into the future. DMC2 is Dante in his most powerful state through years of demon hunting and getting accustomed to his DT. He doesn't need DDT for normal combat but if he's pushed to that limit then he will bring out his true power (like every anime ever, no one starts at 100% power level).
I want there to be a villain who pushes Dante to that limit then whoops him EVEN in his DDT form. Now that's more like it.
I want there to be a villain who pushes Dante to that limit then whoops him EVEN in his DDT form. Now that's more like it.
The single most important thing, even moreso than power level, is charisma.
DMC3's foil as Vergil worked exceedingly well because he was a like-able character. This is where both DMC4 and DMC2 failed. Sanctus is just a pope-like figure, and at the end of the day, you're just beating up an old man. Arius was just a mustachioed businessman.
In DMC4, not even the second in command Credo had a lot going for him, personality-wise.
DMC3's foil as Vergil worked exceedingly well because he was a like-able character. This is where both DMC4 and DMC2 failed. Sanctus is just a pope-like figure, and at the end of the day, you're just beating up an old man. Arius was just a mustachioed businessman.
In DMC4, not even the second in command Credo had a lot going for him, personality-wise.
REmaster was outsourced to K2. They've worked on many projects for Capcom in the past. I would not be surprised if DMC4: SE is also an outsourced project.
PensivePen
Member
I have a feeling they won't outsource it if they're adding new combat mechanics into the game.
Ah, okay. Thanks.
That's my hope as well. This is something that needs to be handled in house.
I'm fairly certain it's in-house.
Or simply that remasters are quite lucrative, especially when the new platforms don't have BC to let people play their old games, making it that much easier to resell games to consumers.
I have that as my wallpaper.The DMC4SE site taunts me.
The 3 colors used in the logo (DMC spelled out in red for Dante, the 4 and Nero in blue and the Special Edition in Cyan of Vergil's Spiral Swords) and the 3 color splashes in the background representing each individual character.
They know I want this so bad. They fucking know it....
I didn't get into DMC until the triple pack came out. Otherwise, Ninja Gaiden was my first foray into the extreme-action genre. It think I might have played DMC1 in some complicity (rather full game or demo) before but it seemed very hard for me at the time to continue. I need to check to see my PS2 memory card to see how long it's been since I started being a DMC fan.
Also: Itsuno is following me on Twitter so...yeah. ^_^
The One and Done
Member
Except that the form that Phantom sees of Dante is not his own form it's Sparda's form. And even when Dante transforms with the Sparda sword that's not his DT that's Sparda DT which he got from the Sparda sword.
If this was true then DMC4 Dante would've had Sparda's DT without the Sparda sword but he doesn't... he has an evolved form of his own DT.
Characters like Phantom/Bolverk/Beowulf have probably never seen the full scope of Sparda's power to really judge. When they got whooped by Dante they were like "oh he beat me he really IS a son of Sparda" when in fact they themselves weren't that strong to begin with.
I do not believe that DMC1 Dante could've beaten Mundus without the powers given to him by the Sparda sword. If he could then there would've been no point in acquiring the Sparda sword to begin with. There would be no big deal over acquiring both the amulets and Force Edge.
Now do I believe that DMC2 Dante could've beaten Mundus? Possibly however there has to be a game in between 4 & 2 that explains the power difference and how Dante attains his more powerful DT and particularly his DDT form. The DDT form that he has in the game is equivalent to Sparda's power but he doesn't have that in DMC4. Once he achieves it then I believe he achieves godlike power of Mundus/Sparda. But again... if he can achieve that power without the Sparda sword... why is Vergil wasting time getting the Sparda sword to begin with? I feel that DMC5 should address that and have Vergil most post acquiring Sparda sword and try to achieve this mystical DDT form by himself.
Also the DDT form for those who are unfamiliar:
Compared to the normal DT in the game (which is more in line with DMC3/DMC4):
Think of it like X factor in DMC2. When Dante has low health you can turn on DT and you get this way more powerful transformation instead and it wipes out bosses in seconds. Has moves similar to Sparda DT in DMC1 where he just spams fireballs, has very extended hit boxes and can fly.
DDDT needs to return in DMC5.
The guy gave up both of them?
Welp, you have our support. Let us know if you need anything.
The One and Done
Member
Lol fantastic!
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Great news.
Well, you do seem to be a fucking celebrity in this town.
The One and Done
Member
The time has come and so have I....
Awesome. I know you will do an awesome job with the OT
NoctisVsStar
Member
Let me play some dmc4
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Highly recommended. 1 does not have the same quality of combat as 3 and 4 but is worth playing for the neat aesthetics, and the novelty of playing what is arguably the godfather of the "character action" genre (although PS1 had a few primitive attempts that could fit the bill as well) And then afterwards start up 3!
It surely jumpstarted the trend for the next decade.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Just claim both.
Congrats! You deserve it you raving fanboy.
Just plan ahead and do the best OT possible, you have our support
NoctisVsStar
Member
DMC4 still feels and looks good goddamn. Like fine wine guys like fine wine.
Yeah, graphically, it still holds up.
Capcom was really onto something with the MT Framework. It really makes me wonder what's in store for Panta Rhei.
Infinite Justice
Member
Why dont you take DmC OT since you are one of the few hardcores who liked it well enough.
Dahbomb is excluded since his DMC love (especially when Vergil is involved) far outweighs him liking DmC
NoctisVsStar
Member
I have feeling SFV is going to be on UE4, I think capcom having some trouble with the Panta Rhei engine we haven't seen much from deep down in awhile
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
I'd almost offer to do the DmC one. I could go for the Gaf record for most banded compliments in an OT
I took it (Lord help me), but if you really want it, I'll give it. Completely open to Collabs.
No take it. I'd rather it go to someone who liked the original version of the game
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
I mean, I was fine with the gameplay. I don't hate it nearly as much as a lot of people do. Honestly, someone like Ezekial should do it. But I'm happy to do it.
The Silver
Member
Wasn't there some DMC OT before that had to get downsized because it was too damn epic?
Infinite Justice
Member
I know but was saying that your love for DMC just overshadows it lol.
Anyways i'm hoping for a balanced DmC OT also and not the "DmC/DMC is a steaming pile of shit/fucking awesome" one sided garbage.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Good to know.
It needs to be announced first, man.
That was for the DMC HD Collection OT.
It got downsized because it had A LOT of crazy mechanics information in the OT that went over 90% of the head of people. It also included a bunch of information about the games in terms of boss strategies that people felt were spoilers so it was removed and put into a google document.
I collaborated on it especially the DMC1 parts. I wrote all the strategies for the game myself from memory. Here's the link:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468239 <-- OT
My DMC1 guide
Heck no, it will give DmC respect and love. No trolling (maybe a slight joke here and there to keep things light).
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Don't worry, it'll be as balanced.
I know
direct_quote
Member
Don't want a repeat of the first DmC OT?