Welfare
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They probably shipped 2.75m - 3 million in the US alone last Q. Then you have UK which will probably add 300k-500k, then you have everywhere else? They can hit that number, especially if they were stuffing channels.
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Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
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They probably shipped 2.75m - 3 million in the US alone last Q. Then you have UK which will probably add 300k-500k, then you have everywhere else? They can hit that number, especially if they were stuffing channels.
Aquamarine
Member
well...the combined xbox one + xbox 360 figure, anyway.
that's the bad thing about mr. nadella. once he took the reigns from ballmer, microsoft ir stopped reporting delineated xbox one shipment data.
Why do you think it has to do with Nadella and not with the console's general slowness in the market? Did any other products consolidate?
(Yes, I know, outselling 360!!!)
The most likely consequences will be more complicated that that:
- Genres that are less popular on the Xbox family will naturally gravitate to being PS4-only as third parties don't see a need to release on any other console. Fighting games and JRPGs are just about there, and there's a good chance they'll be joined by others.
- There will be fewer third-party Xbone exclusives as publishers find it less worthwhile to lose out on the PS4 audience. Any that show up will have to be more heavily conpensated by Microsoft.
- Sony will find it less necessary to pay for third-party exclusives, so most decisions on exclusivity will be made by the publishers rather than being funded by Sony.
One interesting result is that I suspect that the Xbone will be even more dudebro-centric than the 360 was.
Grinchy
Banned
Oh god, he was one of those people who didn't know the difference between "bias" and "biased."
Aquamarine
Member
You have it memorized.... you hate it that much Chobel? I have some techniques that can help soften the shame.
In terms of audience, absolutely. In terms of software? I don't know by how much. I still suspect the vast majority (95%) of Japanese games is still going to show up on Xbone, unless we're talking about games that wouldn't have made it to the west anyway. Except maybe like Tales.
That's a pretty big number....how about 35% when all is said and done?
outside of 1.2 million for November where are you getting the other 1.8M from? We know they're sales took a dip prior to the price drop for November. I'm trying to see where the rest of that demand is coming from?
Neuromancer
Member
Even funnier is now that Bish is a proud owner of an XBO1.
SCEJ is investing in the indie scene in Japan, that could pay off in a few years.
Welfare
Member
1.23 million from November is sold not shipped, plus you have October (168k), then you factor in what December might be (always been assuming it being flat from November), You get to 2.6m sold quickly, and there is going to be more shipped then sold, especially if MS/retailers overestimated the amount of Xbox's they needed. I can see ~3 million shipped to the US alone last Q.
YUP!!!
makingmusic476
Member
But that's not really what we've seen so far, is it? A whole bunch of Japanese games are skipping XB1, with quite a few being from series that were on 360:
Street Fighter V
Deep Down
FFVII PSN
Guilty Gear Xrd
Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends (Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires is so far the only Warriors game on XB1)
Samurai Warriors 4
Dragon Quest Heroes
Persona 5
Disgaea 5
Nothing close to 95% of Japanese PS4 games have also been announced for XB1.
It remains to be seen how many bigger IPs forgo an Xbox release. Tekken 7 has yet to be confirmed for XB1, and I think whatever Harada decides to do will be telling.
Aquamarine
Member
close-ish, but not exact
i agree if we're talking about games that deliberately target the western ecosystem or aim for a worldwide audience.
from what we've seen of the xbox one software ecosystem in the west, it's more than healthy enough to warrant west-specific xbox one ports
it even outpaces the ps4 in a few areas
but not if we're talking about games that have a japan-only focus....its abhorrent performance warrants little attention from japanese publishers
ChronotriggerJM
Member
LOL damn my brief hiatus from gaf. You miss all the good stuff.
illmatic22
Banned
There's also
Godzilla
J Stars Victory Vs +
One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3
which will all be on PS4 but not Xbone. Though the big stuff like FFXV will still be there for MS.
Chobel
Member
I'm not ashamed, it's just an avatar. But I would love to know what do you mean by "techniques that can help soften the shame".
Welfare
Member
Oops, missed typed. Didn't even notice.
Add a pink hair bow and pink eyebrows to your avatar. Knack can be a hot lady if you let her...
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Yup. On the contrary, save for KHII FF Type 0, FFXV, MGSV, DBZ Xenoverse, Revelations 2 and Naruto UNS4, I can't really name any Japanese games that will be hitting XB1. Certainly won't be anywhere close to being 95%. On the contrary, I think that the system will get even less support from Japan this generation than it did last.
Having said all of that, the big Japanese franchises that can possibly move systems will still be hitting the box so I don't think MS should be too worried.
serversurfer
Member
Thanks for that. Then would you agree there's nothing to really indicate increased overall demand post-disKinect? Unit sales stayed pretty much on track, with ASP dropping accordingly?
Ono disagrees, and I think his games are reasonably popular in the West.
Also, is "The West" now comprised solely of the US and UK? Mainland Europe is now part of the Orient, I guess?
It's worth noting that unsold consoles don't vanish in to the aether at the end of the reporting period. Some people seem to think that some portion of every shipment is ultimately destined to go unsold, but that's not really how it works. You don't actually ship "extra."
Also, there's a fairly significant lag. The consoles sold in October were actually being shipped out in September (assuming all is going as it should, and they're not still selling stock they received in August or something). The Q4 shipment would actually cover the sales Nov-Jan, more than Oct-Dec.
How does Ono disagree? Because Boyes has some funds at his disposal?
The Artisan
Member
I'd love for T7 to be Ps4 exclusive. crossplatform play like Sf5 would be cool too.
Drac84
Member
His steadfast insistence that the One's firesale holiday prices were permanent was great. An entire community of gamers were explaining to him why it wasn't feasable even for Microsoft to maintain those prices, but he wouldn't hear it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138624898&postcount=1050
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138626023&postcount=1083
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138623899&postcount=1033
Ono would have wanted it on Xbone if capcom actually wanted to invest in the game before 2018.
One of you snitches told Verendus about me losing the avatar bet.
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I want PS4 to have all the (Japanese) exclusives.
It will probably happen too if that WW sales ratio continues to drastically skew in its favour lol
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I want PS4 to have all the (Japanese) exclusives.
It will probably happen too if that WW sales ratio continues to drastically skew in its favour lol
Why would you want that to happen?
I mean I can understand if if we are talking about a company that targets no other platform than the PS4 and thus can be fully custom built from the ground up for that platform like a game as Tomorrow Children can.
But we're talking about Capcom and Namco fighting games that historically also has released the games to arcades (which are nowadays based on standard PCs.)
Wait wat. I did not know this. I just assumed it was announced with the ps4 version. I still think there will be a Xbone version for the west but it feels like the XBone is a secondary thought for the big J pups.
serversurfer
Member
Ono saw fit to skip the Bone, despite his game's popularity in the West. According to Ono, the best thing* about doing so meant he was finally free to implement cross-platform play. I imagine the difference in sales also factored heavily in to his decision. And yes, Sony's "development assistance" likely played a part in his decision as well. "It's all about the moneyhats," seems to be a bit myopic, at least in this particular case.
*"Biggest news," I think he said? Something like that.
Why would you wish it were exclusive?
The Artisan
Member
Well, Tekken 7 is running on UE4 for the sole purpose of being easy to port lol. Just Tekken in my opinion belongs to the PlayStation ecosystem. Never felt right having it go multiplatform.
This is completely true. The main reason the whole multiplatform thing exists as it does currently is because 360 and PS3 divided the total audience in half between each other. At best for MS, this generation will have PS4 double the sales of the XB1. Basically, a PlayStation exclusive would only have to worry about cutting out a third of the potential audience rather than half the potential audience now which could make all the difference in regards to support.
He was forced to skip it because Capcom would not invest in SF5 (not until 2018 from his words). Sony put forth the dough to invest in the game so no xbone version.
The Artisan
Member
Say what you will about Ps3 losing exclusives not mattering, but I never got over that October 2008 announcement of Tekken 6 going to the 360.
And I think Sony's development assistance is the biggest factor in the decision of skipping the Xbone.
I find it stranger to believe that a company like Capcom would not release on viable platforms due to cross-platform play rather than the obvious risk reduction by taking external funds.
Well, get over it.
I don't understand why people want games to be exclusive you still get the game when it's multiplatform, it's it feels like I'm in the official playstation forums right now. SF5 is a bit different though since it seems capcom did not want to invest in it anytime soon until Sony stepped in.
In comparison, most fighting games have always sold more on PS consoles than on Xbox consoles anyway, IMO.
Let's accept that as being true. So what?
Agent Unknown
Member
Well deserved numbers, congrats to Sony and I still don't even own a PS4 yet (hopefully will rectify that later this year, especially now that LBP 3 is out 'cuz that's the big one I was personally waiting for). Yoshida, House, Cerny and co. have done a fantastic job both with the system launch over the last year and their outreach to fans.
Are you serious? Unless you are a fanboy what is hard to get over that announcement? How does it affect your enjoyment when it is coming to your platform?
Who cares? As a gamer and not a businessman why should it matter if the game is multiplat?
Particularly when Capcom can easily have Xbox players just play amongst themselves, like Portal 2.
Just saying. It's a trend.
Genres like fighting games & JRPG's = more sales & audience on PS consoles.
Genres like FPS's such as Call of Duty = more sales & audience on Xbox consoles.
There's always more of a audience for specific genres on specific consoles.
Go read the playstation forum there are people seriously want Sony to make games exclusive so they can enjoy them more.
What it means is that it may end up not even being viable to port fighting games to the XB1 especially if one of the major players in fighting games has decided that their fighting games will be PS4 exclusive. You think Sony is helping to fund Street Fighter V for no reason? No, Street Fighter being console exclusive to PS4 is a huge neon sign saying "If you are into fighting games, you will have to buy this console."
Crossplatform play is pretty much only going to happen on exclusives. Microsoft's feature parity requirement and their unwillingness to allow crossplay makes it difficult for a game on both PS4 and XBO to support crossplay, so most devs will simply not bother. PS4 exclusive on a game that could benefit from crossplay might be more likely to find crossplay as a feature where being multiplatform between multiple consoles means it wouldn't.