Scientist Supreme!
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Oh I know, but why is he talking like it's some kind of war.
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F*ck Konami: MGSV FOBs beyond the first must be bought via macrotransactions
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RedlineRonin
Member
Never used it. This might get me to try though. Is it simple in general?
GetDigitized
Member
This isn't the viewpoint most people have with purchases. I'm not doing that until I purchase the microtransactions. The argument you all are making is simplifying complex decisions to you're either with then or you're not. Once again people are buying this game for the single player which is GOTY worthy imo. They're not supporting something which has come to light so close to release. Have you all even played the game or fans of the series, this issue isn't even that bad. It seems like people just want to complain and fight the 'system' in this thread. Play the frickin game, it's not pushing microtransactions down your throat.
Microtransactions work, look at the f2p mobile app platform, MOBA's etc. You're raging over a business being a business. Sure in an ideal world they'd be game first, but that doesn't make the shareholders happy. Konami know this is a cash cow,
- even without the microtransactions, they've stated as much before.
Majukun
Member
you are
really no way to twist this,you are.
if zero people buy those,next game will have them again,because there's always the chance that somebody will.
only reason to make a statement is not buying,because this TAKES MONEY OUT OF THE PUBLISHER'S POCKET
and that's the only lenguage they understand,again,look at microsoft and the xbone..they were having shitty pre orders,losing lots of money,they went back as fast as they could.
as i explained in the other quotes,no I'm not
ReBurn
Gold Member
Yep. Microtransactions are the new normal. They can't raise retail prices because the market won't bear it, so this is what we got.
I'm probably halfway through the game and the servers aren't even up, so I haven't been able to access an FOB yet.
They don't really seem all that necessary. Yes, some of the "research" times are getting longer in the late game, but I'm pacing my development so that while I'm researching one thing, I'm getting done with another and have a new toy to play with while I do a handful of missions to bide my time.
Is this still a scummy practice? Yes, but it has not presented any huge issues so far in terms of progression.
They don't really seem all that necessary. Yes, some of the "research" times are getting longer in the late game, but I'm pacing my development so that while I'm researching one thing, I'm getting done with another and have a new toy to play with while I do a handful of missions to bide my time.
Is this still a scummy practice? Yes, but it has not presented any huge issues so far in terms of progression.
Voting with your dollar is a farcical notion at this scale.
Organized ideological boycotts that trigger negative press and viral word of mouth can change things for the better (#PS4NoDRM). Not buying something and attacking a few other people for deciding to buy it despite acknowledging its faults is just you being an asshole to a few people for buying something they want to buy.
You should probably stop being an asshole.
"I hope everyone else doesn't buy Metal Gear Solid, doesn't pay cash for virtual currency, and the reviewers all downgrade the game to an 8 to tank its metacritic score as backlash for this. While I sit back with my 6 FOBs laughing"
Sounds like NVIDIA vs AMD, hope everyone else buys the Fury so you can buy the 980ti with markedly better driver support guilt free.
Fact is I am more than likely to spend money on that FOB currency because I'm an adult with a job not a poor 14 year old getting this game for my birthday. I love this game that much I'll pay 50-70 dollars or whatever it is to have my 6 FOBs because it's value for money.
I don't have a lot of time to game so realistically spending another 50 dollars to make my awesome Metal Gear Solid experience just a little bit better is probably what I'm going to do.
Like imagine what the cost is for going on vacation for a second. Spending a weekend away, probably $1000 all together in hotel bills, maybe flights, meals at restaurants. When you put that in perspective, 60 dollars for a weekend at home playing metal Gear Solid is very, very, very cheap, and 130 dollars for Metal Gear Solid with all the FOB bells and whistles is a bargain. And I feel much better for having ALL the bells and whistles in Metal Gear Solid because that's the OCD perspective of the average gamer, which Ubisoft taps into to extend their play times in Assassin's creed all the time.
And here's the big picture. Realistically Konami is contracting in the premium gaming segment anyway and focusing on mobile. It makes sense for them to burn up the marketing goodwill they've hoarded like this and monetise one last shot for glory like this. Even if there's significant gaming press backlash, a concerted effort by IGN/Gamespot/friends and other metacritic ranked sites to downgrade their ranking, or a big Twitter fad (which is markedly dependant on someone coming up with an extremely clever hashtag), the two ways which are more or less the only way the community can pass back feedback to a Konami, they'll still shrug their shoulders and take the revenue that I am 100% sure they WILL collect from so called "whales" such as myself, who put their time playing Metal Gear Solid in perspective .
Sounds like NVIDIA vs AMD, hope everyone else buys the Fury so you can buy the 980ti with markedly better driver support guilt free.
Fact is I am more than likely to spend money on that FOB currency because I'm an adult with a job not a poor 14 year old getting this game for my birthday. I love this game that much I'll pay 50-70 dollars or whatever it is to have my 6 FOBs because it's value for money.
I don't have a lot of time to game so realistically spending another 50 dollars to make my awesome Metal Gear Solid experience just a little bit better is probably what I'm going to do.
Like imagine what the cost is for going on vacation for a second. Spending a weekend away, probably $1000 all together in hotel bills, maybe flights, meals at restaurants. When you put that in perspective, 60 dollars for a weekend at home playing metal Gear Solid is very, very, very cheap, and 130 dollars for Metal Gear Solid with all the FOB bells and whistles is a bargain. And I feel much better for having ALL the bells and whistles in Metal Gear Solid because that's the OCD perspective of the average gamer, which Ubisoft taps into to extend their play times in Assassin's creed all the time.
And here's the big picture. Realistically Konami is contracting in the premium gaming segment anyway and focusing on mobile. It makes sense for them to burn up the marketing goodwill they've hoarded like this and monetise one last shot for glory like this. Even if there's significant gaming press backlash, a concerted effort by IGN/Gamespot/friends and other metacritic ranked sites to downgrade their ranking, or a big Twitter fad (which is markedly dependant on someone coming up with an extremely clever hashtag), the two ways which are more or less the only way the community can pass back feedback to a Konami, they'll still shrug their shoulders and take the revenue that I am 100% sure they WILL collect from so called "whales" such as myself, who put their time playing Metal Gear Solid in perspective .
Please add this to the OP. We have reports from the front.
Majukun
Member
BINGO
and what not buying the game would mean to konami
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exactly,losing money
and what the other publishers would take from this?
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exactly,that microtransaction are bad for business and should be avoided
again,not really a complicated reasoning
Damn
FinalxxSin
Banned
I heard the director that is no longer with the company wasn't in favor of the micro-transaction crap for MGSV.
TheSpoiler
Member
So by this logic:
If nobody buys the game, this takes money out of the publishers' pockets, and therefore, it makes a direct statement on MTs and how much we don't like them, despite the fact that there's no direct correlation that they can see between the two.
Stop buying these games, people. Companies will magically know what we want if we just stick to our guns and never buy the product! Don't air your grievances online where they can see them! Don't show them you hate MT by not engaging in them if you happen to pick up the game!
Hurt them in the pockets! They'll back down after reading our minds as to why their game failed, shifting through a million possible reasons and pinpointing it on the singular thing that is MTs!
If it's not complicated, why don't you seem to get it?
Stone Ocean
Member
Oh please get over yourself
Majukun
Member
you are right,we should just accept everything they throw at us.
i think he was trying to say there are better ways to go about this
a very cute dog
Member
Every time you buy a FOB Konami burns a copy of Silent Hill 2.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
have you seen ea's financials? if anything ea is proving micro transactions/digital content are working extremely well for them
other publishers would want to take note of that really, if they wanted more income
Drop the pride. He's trying to give you good life advice.
GetDigitized
Member
There we have it. Drop the mic and walk away. People are either trolling, upset & raging or just don't want to hear this because it goes against their preconceived notions of what the world is. If they can't see this after 15+ pages, trying to echo what others have already said want work.
Quick Mustard
Member
Sword Of Doom
Member
So it's like one of those free to play mobile games where you can spend real money to speed things up. This is so shitty and has me concerned
That's it. You're a triple agent sent by Konami on a deep cover reverse PsyOp astroturf mission where salt is OSP. You may have played some posters in this thread like a piano, but you won't play any of us like damn fiddles.
Are you willing to be loyal to the very end?
TheSpoiler
Member
He actually offers a solution beyond just not buying the game if you read his post.
But nah.
It's the viewpoint you have because you don't want to think you're contributing to some thing that's "a bad thing," no matter how minor, just because you're focused solely on the good things about the product. Which is also understandable; we don't like to think of ourselves as doing something bad.
But I think you can wholly enjoy MSGV - think it's one of the greatest games of all time - while also acknowledging your role in perpetuating an odious macrotransaction scheme that has actual effect on the main game and its single player.
Just by saying "it's not even that bad," you acknowledge it exists and you're choosing to ignore it. That's culpability right there.
No, he was saying not buying the game isn't the right way to go about this and that there are better options... like the one he outlines in his very post.
Majukun
Member
do you think somebody inside of the company would no ask question and try to find the answer?
they will probably hire microsoft's magician that managed to understand why the pre orders of the xbone were so shitty.
again..do you really think they would have no idea why?
especially if ,you know,connected to the internet?
Sora the Cat
Member
No, we shouldn't. But this isn't "everything." It's a secondary (and beyond) base to a secondary MP mode in a single-player game that you haven't played yet (and thus have no idea to what degree it affects the SP).
Doctor_Thomas
Member
This is horribly naive and not at all how business works.
Microtransactions, especially on consoles, have been very, very profitable.
If a publisher releases a game on a console and everyone boycotts it, they're not going to look at microtransactions or DLC as the cause, they're just going to assume that no one wants the game, so they no longer make a sequel to that game.
Konami aren't moving away from video games because their games were all multimillion sellers, they're moving away because no one was buying their games.
Coffee Dog
Banned
it means you have more money/resources to spend on things in single player.
Quick Mustard
Member
Done.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
This thread is going exactly how I thought it was going to be.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I guess a silver lining for me is that with just one base the game was still enjoyable enou that it got these high scores. Unless Konami gave everyone more than one base in which case that would be just unbelievable deceitful
Thanks. The situation is developing quickly, but I'm glad you've been a responsible OP that updates the first post!
SolidSnakeUS
Member
So that means most things for MP can be done via SP play?
SargerusBR
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Evil dropping the truth bombs.
Quick Mustard
Member
It's 1:30am and I have work at 8 but I can't sleep so might as well!
Nah, the mode affected will be only available tomorrow.
Reviewers and people that got early have been able to finish the SP. Grind only comes if you want to 100% your arsenal.
I've played it all weekend and already got decent arsenal with 0 grind.
Majukun
Member
the solution is make a campaign online but still buying the game?
i don't think ps4nodrm would have worked if microsoft had great pre orders for their console
MrTroubleMaker
Member
wow that is crappy
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Well that's semi reassuring, at least.
If it's anything like MGS4, I won't use 60% of the available weapons/items anyway. Not out of spite, just because there's so many tools that accomplish the same job. MGS4 was kind of bloated in that way, but it was nice to have that many options!
Majukun
Member
just like dlc were only horse armor in the beginning
look at it now and maybe we should have stopped thinking about it when it was secondary,before it grew out of proportions