HAH! Ok sure whatever you say. Couldn't just be that it was a particularly ridiculous argument that went on for pages. Nah. Couldn't be that.
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PlayStation 4 sales (sold-through) hit 30.2 million worldwide
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HAH! Ok sure whatever you say. Couldn't just be that it was a particularly ridiculous argument that went on for pages. Nah. Couldn't be that.
Talking about vindictive, weren't you one of the guys that necroed one of Crackdown 3 tech threads when MS released a tech demo on Gamescom? xD
I see it doing maybe 90-100 million LTD. Should reach just about the PS1's figures imo
Nah. Since pre season ended it has defaulted to number of bullets fired in Halo 5.
Pathfinder
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NVM
More catty or a snide then....
Pathfinder
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Yup. That was well deserved and a long time coming though.
Haha fair enough, sorry about the edit, I posted in the wrong thread and edited the wrong post
Well when someone says something dumb people are gonna mention that it's dumb. I don't know how my responding to a post asking what they missed by citing the carnival of stupid that happened for three pages is being focused on you and I have no idea whatsoever what "earlier run-in" you are talking about. But if it makes you feel better to think that I'm targeting you instead of you just saying incredibly dumb things that people think are dumb sure you go right ahead.
slavesnyder
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Pre-season got extended.
It ends now. November is where it counts. And December. And that's it.
Didn't EA say they expect 50 million consoles until the end of the year?
Let's say PS4 get's to 34-35 million this year. That would mean XB1 would be at 15-16 million at the end of the year.
I wonder if the data EA had was outdated and PS4 sold more than they expected since 50 million seems to low when PS4 alone is 35 million this year.
Let's say PS4 get's to 34-35 million this year. That would mean XB1 would be at 15-16 million at the end of the year.
I wonder if the data EA had was outdated and PS4 sold more than they expected since 50 million seems to low when PS4 alone is 35 million this year.
I still think the PS4 will sell 120 million at the very end of its life, so passing PS1 but behind PS2. It's still kinda hard to tell, honestly. Many of us are expecting 2016 to be the peak year for the PS4, but 2017 could also be a massive year. Or sales could drop off significantly. No one can really tell just yet.
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You raise an interesting point.
Do we know if the Xbox One has sold-through 13 million consoles?
Pathfinder
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Damn, Rex. Rough night?
Melchiah
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You don't think they made mistakes with the XBO, that resulted with lesser sales? The online DRM tactics they had in place, and the US-centric services, turned a lot of European customers away from the brand. The PS3 had none of those, although it was also more expensive and offered a lesser 3rd party experience, like the XBO. It was a sum of several screw ups, that lead to today's situation.
The Xbox One would probably be in the top spot in the U.S. and U.K. if the system had better PR before its launch.
But yeah, the gen was decided when we knew the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 would release at the same time. PlayStation has a lock on European audiences (as the PS3 showed) therefore greatly helping it in terms of worldwide sales.
i don't think that the direction of their may 2013 reveal was so damaging when the system launched that it's still a factor. instead, i think there are fewer buyers of dedicated hardware this gen period. otherwise, i think ps4 sales would be a bit higher to better offset the place microsoft finds themselves in right now.
It could have all the positive PR in the world but it would have still trailed behind because consumers will opt for the cheaper box.
not just cheaper, but playing the same games with better performance. that sort of thing is a no-brainer, especially when the only other deciding factors are features and the important one (multiplayer) is the same across both.
this post sounds like i was paid by sony to type it, but i can assure you, they did not pay well.
I disagree (see Wii U haha). Price definitely helps but it's never only about that.
I do feel that the PS4 would have still took the lead in the U.S. in 2014 due to its cheaper price but not by much (therefore causing MS to come back late 2014/early 2015).
SprachBrooks
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Lol this is bullshit. So long as the Xbone was more expensive and had inferior hardware it would have sold LESS than the PS4. Testament to this is the fact that even after NUMEROUS price-drops it continuously loses out the PS4 which is MORE expensive than the Xbone.
How exactly? The Xbox 360 did much better than the PS3 in the U.S. last gen (percentage gap FAR bigger than PS4 vs. Xbox One in U.S.) and I feel that many 360 owners would have still looked at the Xbox One positively if it didn't have such bad PR before it launched.
I definitely think MS would have still been forced to drop the price (since $500 is simply too much for a console to do well thoughout a gen and said so before this current gen started) but I think the system would have caught up in U.S. sometime this year instead of still being behind (though not by a whole lot).
You saying this would mean that the Xbox One is in the position it's currently in due to simply price and specs which isn't true at all. The negativity before the system launched (which really didn't have much to do with its price) is still hurting the system to this day.
Deserved success. I'm one of the X360 > PS4 games this gem (although I did own a PS3 last gen too) and I doubt I'll ever buy an X1.
Sony put out a superior product that was cheaper and focused on games. This gen was essentially over at launch.
What's kinda crazy to me is how this current gen still feels new to me, yet were 2yrs in. I thought I read where Sony wanted this gen to end a lot sooner than last gen. So maybe this is the halfway point.
Nailed it. GAF being "SonyGAF" isn't just some new concept. I heard about It before I ever tried to join here years ago. NPD threads early last gen were so incredibly fun because of how most of GAF leans.
Sony put out a superior product that was cheaper and focused on games. This gen was essentially over at launch.
What's kinda crazy to me is how this current gen still feels new to me, yet were 2yrs in. I thought I read where Sony wanted this gen to end a lot sooner than last gen. So maybe this is the halfway point.
Nailed it. GAF being "SonyGAF" isn't just some new concept. I heard about It before I ever tried to join here years ago. NPD threads early last gen were so incredibly fun because of how most of GAF leans.
You're forgetting ps4 doesn't have Halo ;p
Melchiah
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Not to mention, that the unfortunate news from their perspective spread like wildfire in the web, through social networks and other outlets that weren't there when the last gen systems launched.
It didn't help, that they blamed the consumers for not understanding their vision, and gave the impression they weren't willing to give up on the idea. I think many took that also as an implication, that they might try to reintroduce their original plan later on, if there's an opportunity (ie. a larger userbase) for it. Much like they aren't willing to give up on the parity clause, as it served them well in the 360 days, and will do so in the future if they ever reach the same status again.
I think it's still a factor, just like it was for the PS3 in NA during its first years. They may have made an U-turn, but the people already went another way, and their friends and their friends followed them. It's the snowball effect, that also made the PS2 as popular as it was.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Neither did Xbone when it launched.
Nightengale
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It had Titanfall hype though. /s
Have you seen Titanfall?
scoobidoo112
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The PS4 has been kicking ass for a while now and rightfully so if you ask me. It has a nice lineup of games, multi-platform games usually run at 1080p and Sony made some brilliant marketing decisions since its announcement. Although I do miss the days where Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all had consoles out on the market at or around the same time, it feels as if back then there was more competition and therefore more creative diversity and must-own exclusives per-platform. Let's hope the NX can spice things up again soon.
Hydrargyrus
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I'm really amazed of how low is the gap between shipped and sold consoles with PS4.
Seems like they are selling all that go to the stores, like they would had started selling a month ago
Seems like they are selling all that go to the stores, like they would had started selling a month ago
You assume that people put off by the XB1's original DRM scheme would have went to PS4 because of that when they very well could've chosen to instead become PC Gamers. Maybe these people were okay with going all-digital and only disliked the DRM because it required online. Not everyone has a stable enough connection to always be online even if they have a stable enough connection to download a game from Steam. Even my connection flakes out from time to time and I have a ton of Steam games.
azertydu91
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I have one question sorry if it's a bit off topic but I do game on pc but mostly through GOG is it possible to play your steam games even without internet access?
It's either there were never days like that or that's always been the case, PS2 came out a year before Xbox and GC, Xbox 360 came out a year before both PS3 and Wii, and Wii U came out 1 year before PS4 and XBONE.
The difference between back in the day and today is that MS worked hard to try and establish a new brand and Nintendo had genuine 3rd party support.
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I still hear people at my walmart not buying the xbox one because it requires you to always be connected.
Yes it has been years but the stigma stays.
You can play Steam games offline, and it doesn't require you to sign in daily like the pre-180 Xbox One did. Naturally, you can't use any online feature while offline of course, but Steam games can be played offline.
azertydu91
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Okay thank you that closes my off the topic question.
ArkhamFantasy
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Im going through some PS4 reveal articles, alot of people were making a big deal out of the fact that Sony didnt show what the PS4 looked like at the reveal. Man that really came back to haunt Sony didnt it?
People are way to reactionary, just let things play out.
People are way to reactionary, just let things play out.
I disagree.
I lay out in this thread why this always-on association was very bad for first impressions: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535344
I think time has proven me right with the GameStop reports of people still repeating these elements as a reason to not go with the Xbone.
Melchiah
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That always puzzled me, as the look of the system is the least important thing to me, eventhough it's nice to have a stylish system on the shelf.
Not sure if already posted or even interesting (it's only about a small market) but at least this is somewhat relevant: market survey shows PS4 is most popular next-gen console in The Netherlands
40% of all households has one or more gaming consoles, of which:
13% has a PS4
5% has an Xbox One
5% has a Wii U
60% Wii
29% PS3
21% X360
I'm no researcher, but if we can use these percentages for the whole country:
About 7.5 million households in The Netherlands
3 million with consoles
390k PS4
150k Xbox One
150k Wii U
1800k Wii
870k PS3
630k X360
Again: not official numbers, just extrapolation(?)
The article also mentions 25% of Wii owners still use it weekly (average 3 hours a week) and 90% of PS4 owners use it weekly (10 hours average). Also, without exact numbers, PS3 and PS4 are both used more than Xbox One and X360.
40% of all households has one or more gaming consoles, of which:
13% has a PS4
5% has an Xbox One
5% has a Wii U
60% Wii
29% PS3
21% X360
I'm no researcher, but if we can use these percentages for the whole country:
About 7.5 million households in The Netherlands
3 million with consoles
390k PS4
150k Xbox One
150k Wii U
1800k Wii
870k PS3
630k X360
Again: not official numbers, just extrapolation(?)
The article also mentions 25% of Wii owners still use it weekly (average 3 hours a week) and 90% of PS4 owners use it weekly (10 hours average). Also, without exact numbers, PS3 and PS4 are both used more than Xbox One and X360.
slavesnyder
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I guess compared to other european markets, that's still an acceptable split for Xbox, and a good one for WiiU.
You said you could give us something to compare with last gen. This would be very kind of you.
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I've edited it in.
Or 90% digital sales.
Nightengale
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I saw what was imo, the most hyped a collective internet community ever was for a video game ever since Halo 3.
Console meme of this gen?
TBiddy
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It's already overused, to be honest.
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