Hidden One
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It Sony really wanted to do this upgrade why not just build a PS4 that's capable of running 1080p 60fps? 4K TVs aren't even main stream in 2016. By the time the actual PS5 comes out 4K may be main stream.
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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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nillapuddin
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I meant maximum 2 years, as in, theres no way these boxes are lasting a day over 5 years from release
I could see Xbox+/PS5 in 2017
We really need to get over the money thing, its ridiculous
After 4 years of having the console and PS Plus, the platform costs you like 600 bucks
You are basically spending the same amount of money on Netflix than you do on Playstation.
We are getting our moneys worth, find any other medium that has such a low cost:time ratio. We play our consoles for thousands of hours.
bring on next-next-gen
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
While appreciate and even agree with your comment, what I was trying to say, with snark, was the difference between a PS4.5 and PS5 is just the name. There is no reason for a PS4 game to not play on at PS5, and, given it still has the power, a ps5 game to play on ps4.
x86 goes both ways (see pc).
Duxxy3
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Sales are solid enough, but it's been such an underwhelming generation.
Obliterator
Member
People are latching too much on the 4k part imo. Sony are probably just telling devs its POSSIBLE to go that high on a more simple game. In other words the horsepower is there if they want to do that.
But what we likely see is a universal 1080p 60fps from this. Which would be fantastic
But what we likely see is a universal 1080p 60fps from this. Which would be fantastic
Crayon
Member
Careful someone might ask you to go prove that. Not saying you're wrong but you can end up with some homework on your hands.
Oh, I get it. And you know what? Why should I buy another Playstation if it gets outdated so quickly (now if I want the best games I have to keep buying a new one)? Why in the world wouldn't I just go to getting a PC where I at least can just upgrade parts. There is absolutely no advantage if consoles update quickly to having a console. You might as well get a PC. Same difference except you have more control over the quality of the components, you don't have to upgrade the whole system at once every time, and you don't have to pay for online on top of that! And I hear the games are much cheaper if you know what you are doing (wait for Steam sales or even GoG sales). Hell, if htey do this, why not go buy a Steam Box? Same difference except steam games are way cheaper than PS games.
There already is a device for people who want to be sure to always have top of the line graphics, it's called the PC. For those that don't care and want more convenience, that's what consoles are for. This ruins the convenience. All the sudden I have to worry if I have the right PS4 to run it (or if the graphics are going to be worse than advertised cause of course they'll show the PS4.5 graphics) and also if hte devs are going to care about making it run well or making sure a feature works on mine (oh, just get the most powerful one). At least with a PC I can easily upgrade a part to work if they want something to be more powerful.
gamechanger87
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In reality, both manufacturers should move to a full in subscription model. Approximately $125 per year for XBL/PSN plus a console that will be upgraded every few years. Whe the new one rolls out, the sub members get an automatic upgrade and all you do is ship you console back in their prepaid box. Consoles are back compat and your saves are already in the cloud and redownloaded.
Make money in the game sales and stabilize your revenue stream with those juicy subscription fees.
I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
Make money in the game sales and stabilize your revenue stream with those juicy subscription fees.
I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
MS and Sony can do w/e they want.... they just simply need to have strong games, reliable networks, and unique experiences for people to be enticed to spend the money on new hardware. If Uncharted 4 was not coming and the Last of Us never existed, and Destiny never existed, I'm not sure how enticed I would have been to get a PS4 as early as I did. So with these potential upgraded consoles, they must have the games/experiences to make it worth while and VR might have to be the way to truly deliverthat. My gaming PC was a fantastic investment and so will Nintendo's next console if it has BC (whether it's disc or digital based).
Camp1nCarl
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So if we can't even reach 1080P + 60 FPS in most consoles games an increase to jump us all the way up to 4K can in no way cost around the same as a current Ps4. I just have a hard time believing Sony would come out with a PS4.5 that costs $600+.
This sounds more like a PS5 dropping in Holiday 2018 or something along those lines.
This sounds more like a PS5 dropping in Holiday 2018 or something along those lines.
OrbitalBeard
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A new PS4 that can play games in 4K....I don't see how they get this thing to market at an affordable price.
I would assume this is late 2017 if true, which would be fine with me. I'd buy it.
I would assume this is late 2017 if true, which would be fine with me. I'd buy it.
No console gen had lasted as long as last gen did (it was almost twice the normal length) and no consoles gen started off with hardware as cripplingly weak as this gen. If you're gonna put a box out with the view of it lasting 8 years... then you can't really be looking to profit off it on day one. Technology simply moves too fast for that.
It's not the same as playing on PC where your performance gets steadily worse with each passing year that you don't upgrade. These will still be PS4 games we'd be playing, so if you didn't want to upgrade, then nothing changes for you. Those of us that do upgrade would simply have those same games able to look/run better.
Suzushiiro
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The only way this would work- and the way it almost certainly *will* work- is if Sony expressly forbids people from making games that only work on the 4.5. And also if they make it really easy to optimize for both- ideally the architecture between the two are basically identical, with the 4.5 having more RAM/higher clockspeed/etc. It's sort of like how there's only one or two (maybe just one?) games that are exclusive to the New 3DS, but a number of games will take advantage of the increased power to get smoother framerates or more enemies on the screen.
The one worry is that we'll see games that are built with the 4.5 in mind to the point where they look/play like total ass on the 4, but I doubt that the 4.5 install base will get to the point where companies will think that's worth it.
The one worry is that we'll see games that are built with the 4.5 in mind to the point where they look/play like total ass on the 4, but I doubt that the 4.5 install base will get to the point where companies will think that's worth it.
Mass_Pincup
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Regarding what?
DeepEnigma
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Stallion Dan
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Complain on forums endlessly.
CyberPunked
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I don't understand why releasing a new console every two years or so wouldn't work. Couldn't it just be like on PC, where the games visuals are just changed depending on the hardware that it's being run on?
LookAtMeGo
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Im always down for more powah
jfoul
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Sony and MS aren't held hostage to long stagnating console generations anymore, because of the X86/64 architecture. The user-base will always carry over, and won't reset to zero with new hardware.
SolidSnakex
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But it completely changes the major selling point which is that you only have to design your PSVR game for a single platform with set specs. If another PS4 is released then that's another set of specs you have to take into account.
He wasn't joking. The interviewer asked him if upgrading the PS4 was possible and he explained that it was because of X86. This is something that people gloss over. He didn't bring it up as something that was happening. He was simply responding to a question.
Aeroglyphics
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Same here. This could be the thing that saves Nintendo also.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
People will still say they're wrong, but Sony is right
Someone isn't reading the thread
Perhaps, but I hope you're not having hurt feelings over this, lol
Bl@de
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Well, yeah. That's what I mean^^ Probably just some Kotaku pipe dream.
As you will further follow the story and have more talks with your sources.
It would be interesting to hear, IF it could be an upgraded version for VR reasons or if it's the strategy for the platform alltogether.
Another point would be the 4k BRs, allthough I kinda doubt they would release new hardware for that, especially with streaming getting more popular.
wapplew
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If you like cross gen game, sure.
Ppl were also saying MS were leaving the console space because of their PC gaming plans, XBox/PC gaming plans. Not just about upgraded consoles.
Again...no where near the same thing. It made, makes sense for some to say that about MS. Doesnt make sense at all to say that about Sony....when they are a sure bet to sell 100 million PS4's.
Bubba_Sparks
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If Microsoft is doing it, then there is a good possibility Sony will be doing it as well. Targeting 4K seems a little unrealistic for a console though. Just for reference, a GTX 970 can't run most modern games at 4K without making large concessions to graphical features. The GTX 970 is somewhere between 2x and 3x as powerful as the GPU portion of the SoC the PS4 has.
I think it is a great idea though. Keeping the same hardware for years is absurd, and seeing as they have moved to an x86 architecture this generation maintaining compatibility shouldn't be too difficult.
I think it is a great idea though. Keeping the same hardware for years is absurd, and seeing as they have moved to an x86 architecture this generation maintaining compatibility shouldn't be too difficult.
If this happens in 2017, the time difference between the PS4 and this would be the same as the time difference between the original Xbox and Xbox 360. It's really not that far off from a full console generation of difference time-wise. In that case it would probably extend the console generation. When there finally is a PS5, under the hood it would really be just another upgrade like the PS4.5 but with a new full number branded on it. Four years out you could get a pretty significant upgrade I imagine, whether that means 4K with the same graphics (undoubtedly at 30fps) or graphics that look nearly next-gen at 1080p. And VR is the perfect selling point for something like this, the way each new Apple device upgrade usually has a main selling point.
Like I've said in other threads, I don't think this is a bad idea at all considering the console manufacturer would keep the same architecture, maintain 100% BC, and keep upgrading the OS with each new hardware model indefinitely. The main stickler is how developers respond and whether or not legacy hardware owners get put into a doghouse. On iOS, third party developers usually do a pretty great job supporting users who are two or three hardware versions behind (if not more). It's Apple that keeps releasing OS updates that slow down older models. On consoles, it would make the most sense for developers to keep supporting the most popular hardware models. Think about the transition from last gen to current gen: publishers kept doing cross-gen games because they thought last-gen sales would linger longer, only completely switching over when last-gen sales undeniably died off. If Sony does a PS4.5 but developers see that a big chunk of users are still on the base PS4, they'll keep supporting the base PS4.
Like I've said in other threads, I don't think this is a bad idea at all considering the console manufacturer would keep the same architecture, maintain 100% BC, and keep upgrading the OS with each new hardware model indefinitely. The main stickler is how developers respond and whether or not legacy hardware owners get put into a doghouse. On iOS, third party developers usually do a pretty great job supporting users who are two or three hardware versions behind (if not more). It's Apple that keeps releasing OS updates that slow down older models. On consoles, it would make the most sense for developers to keep supporting the most popular hardware models. Think about the transition from last gen to current gen: publishers kept doing cross-gen games because they thought last-gen sales would linger longer, only completely switching over when last-gen sales undeniably died off. If Sony does a PS4.5 but developers see that a big chunk of users are still on the base PS4, they'll keep supporting the base PS4.
Assuming both are backwards compatible, I could realistically see a 2017 release for the next Xbox and PS5 as well.
I remember when people said the same about PS4.
I wonder if Microsoft was planning the same thing. Xbox One 4K Edition, alongside Ones that support 1080p and 1440p for each title.
The PS4 name is just branding. If they feel the PS4 name is too valuable to lose they'll keep it, while saving "PS5" for a different concept entirely as opposed to a simple performance boost.
The PS4 name is just branding. If they feel the PS4 name is too valuable to lose they'll keep it, while saving "PS5" for a different concept entirely as opposed to a simple performance boost.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I 100% agree with him too. But people be crazy when it comes to lump sum. Tell someone how much a game costs per hour and they will say it is too expensive. Then ask them movie per hour and they will bury their heads in the sand.
I really don't understand the logic.
Will the PS4.5 be powerful enough to run with AF on?
Geez, man (woman), lets at least be reasonable here....
Glorified G
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I don't know why you're being defensive as there was no snark in my reply. Your original post was vague so when you post that Patrick broke the "fiasco" for MS people are going to refer to the biggest fuck up they did, which was their original plans with the DRM.
AuthenticM
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what the fuck?
If this happens, every game released for the thing needs to also work for the original PS4. Sony cannot split the user base. Sega learned that lesson over two decades ago.
If this happens, every game released for the thing needs to also work for the original PS4. Sony cannot split the user base. Sega learned that lesson over two decades ago.
This is the thing that separates consoles from PCs: Fragmentation!
If they would add updated hardware, in the end you would have games not performing the same on every device, and in the end you would have a market like on iOS.
Just look at that iPhone disaster. You have games that run differently on different devices and some games don't even run at all unless you get the new device.
This is SHIT. Consoles are here to keep users away from that trouble. And now Sony want to embrace that? Can't see that happening.
If they would add updated hardware, in the end you would have games not performing the same on every device, and in the end you would have a market like on iOS.
Just look at that iPhone disaster. You have games that run differently on different devices and some games don't even run at all unless you get the new device.
This is SHIT. Consoles are here to keep users away from that trouble. And now Sony want to embrace that? Can't see that happening.
MetalGearZed
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This seems totally feasible to me. running games at 4K like Resogun and shit. it'll be gorgeous. i'll satisfied if they could just get all of the AAA games running at 1080p/60fps. NO EXCEPTIONS. and if this console is totally optional and all standard PS4 games run on BOTH systems then I'm onboard.
we can have a stronger console and we don't have to deal with all the shit that normally comes with leaping to a new generation. buying new controllers, losing old games, devs readapting etc.
we can have a stronger console and we don't have to deal with all the shit that normally comes with leaping to a new generation. buying new controllers, losing old games, devs readapting etc.