I think eventually that will happen.
Would kill for that old green X appearing on black in the original Xbox ads as a boot logo. Hype.
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The Verge: Microsoft 'has been testing a variety of prototype Xbox devices'
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I think eventually that will happen.
Would kill for that old green X appearing on black in the original Xbox ads as a boot logo. Hype.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Or not. I'd rather have a power brick than have my console sound like a jet engine.
Exactly. What is potentially happening in the console space, is Nintendo has done with handhelds all this time.
ATOMICJORGE
Member
Or Xbox 10
Maybe not, brand is tainted, they'll move on but fully support Xbox One within the new brand.
They made him head of engineering over all hardware last summer. Just go search his name and read up.
...Scatter...
Banned
XBOX Xenoverse - Advertising would be fun
DragonBall power level comparisons with each release.
DragonBall power level comparisons with each release.
Not in the slightest. All he said was PR bull on how they wanted to market such a thing as a significant difference.They will be doing the same as Sony and they will release a new iteration of the Xbox One.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I think I mentioned this in the other thread but I think voice control will be built in somehow.
They've abandoned Kinect but Cortana will still be pushed.
On the name, my bet is on one of:
Xbox One S (remember there was a 360 S and E)
Xbox
Xbox 4K
They've abandoned Kinect but Cortana will still be pushed.
On the name, my bet is on one of:
Xbox One S (remember there was a 360 S and E)
Xbox
Xbox 4K
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
I think it should just be called... Xbox
The Surface is product designed to be held every day. It's case is crazy expensive so the next Xbox will benefit from not needing an ultra premium feeling metal surrounding it. It should however look phenomenal.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Phil could have been overruled
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Or his statements didn't conflict at all. All he said was he wasn't a fan of a Xbox 1.5 as far as specs go. He didn't say there wouldn't be an upgrade. Just that if they do it it will be significant.
But what he said is not in conflict.
He said new hardware capabilities during a generation and later added, after a lot of speculation from the internet, that he's not a fan of the idea of Xbox 1.5, that it would be a more substantial change, that he wants to move forward in big numbers.
Go read the actual quotes instead of the journo headlines.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Just make it powerful enough to handle Oculus Rift out of the box and under $400, and I'll be there day 1.
It's not impossible. I have faith in them.
It's not impossible. I have faith in them.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Ugh, it's bad enough Sony is going down this route, now MS too?
Goodbye console generations I guess...
Goodbye console generations I guess...
That's what I joked to myself. I mean, Spencer said he wanted to not have a 1.5 and instead have a big number and 10 is pretty big compared to 1.5 😂
SinCityAssassin
Member
Time to send out those Xbox computers
Honestly, they really don't have much to lose at this point. Especially if sales of the Neo really take off.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
1.?
The human mind can't comprehend numbers big enough for Phil Spencer let alone transcribe them.
The human mind can't comprehend numbers big enough for Phil Spencer let alone transcribe them.
curiouscharles
Member
yes, he said that right after he hinted at an xbox 1.5
it was pretty clear he was trying to say their new hardware would be better than a "half step".
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Someone needs to put this in the OP of every thread like this so 200 pages in people aren't still asking the same question. sigh
Have you actually been paying attention to it on PC (beyond simply "it sucks!")? Which of UWPs current issues on PC would be applicable to a more powerful console?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I also think he was taking the '1.5' thing too literal (on purpose to sway PR, and as someone mentioned, say what people want to hear at the time)... he is not obtuse, he knows when we say '1.5' we don't mean another 50% in power (to equal PS4 now ;p), but we mean a power boost mid gen for the same ecosystem, to give tech more time to mature for a true next gen.
But he had a PR field day, in which I could only roll my eyes. He knows what we meant. Come on Phil, lol.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
twice the esram
new ddr4 (samsung 10nm)
dont know maybe solutions as sony for the cpu and gpu, would it be possible to fit since the esram takes a lot of space even on new 14/16nm ?
new ddr4 (samsung 10nm)
dont know maybe solutions as sony for the cpu and gpu, would it be possible to fit since the esram takes a lot of space even on new 14/16nm ?
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
If it's a significant upgrade I might get one.
Go on MS. Bring out a scorcher.
Go on MS. Bring out a scorcher.
Proelite
Member
Brainedstormed some nexbox devices:
Xbox TV:
2 core Puma / Zen at 1.8 ghz.
2 cu cpu, 128:16:8 GPU at 600 mhz.
4GB of LDDR4 on 64 bit bus. 32 gb/s.
Comes with gesture enabled remote with in built microphone.
Kinect sold separately. Controller sold separately. Works with any KB&M.
$199
Xbox Slim:
8 core Puma / Zen at 2.1 ghz
12 CU Polaris gpu, 768:48:16 GPU at 1050 mhz. 1.6 teraflops.
32mb esram.
12GB of LPDDR4 on 128 bit bus. 68 gb/s.
Comes with controller.
OS runs smoother.
Old xbox one games run in BC mode. New Xbox one games run in UWP mode, with ability to use up to 8GB of ram, the increased cpu and gpu power.
$299.
Xbox Two:
8 core Zen at 2.1 ghz
24 CU gpu, 1536:96:32 at 1050 mhz. 3.2 teraflops.
32mb of Esram.
16GB of DDR4 on 256 bit bus. 100 gb/s
$399
Xbox Three:
8 core Zen at 2.1 ghz
32 CU gpu at 1050 mhz. 4.8 teraflops
Some amounts of HBM2 on the APU.
16GB of DDR4 on 256 bit bus. 100 gb/s
$499
Xbox Four (in a few years time):
16 core CPU at 2.4 ghz
64 CU gpu at 1.2 ghz. ~10 teraflops
64GB of HBM2.
$399
Xbox TV:
2 core Puma / Zen at 1.8 ghz.
2 cu cpu, 128:16:8 GPU at 600 mhz.
4GB of LDDR4 on 64 bit bus. 32 gb/s.
Comes with gesture enabled remote with in built microphone.
Kinect sold separately. Controller sold separately. Works with any KB&M.
$199
Xbox Slim:
8 core Puma / Zen at 2.1 ghz
12 CU Polaris gpu, 768:48:16 GPU at 1050 mhz. 1.6 teraflops.
32mb esram.
12GB of LPDDR4 on 128 bit bus. 68 gb/s.
Comes with controller.
OS runs smoother.
Old xbox one games run in BC mode. New Xbox one games run in UWP mode, with ability to use up to 8GB of ram, the increased cpu and gpu power.
$299.
Xbox Two:
8 core Zen at 2.1 ghz
24 CU gpu, 1536:96:32 at 1050 mhz. 3.2 teraflops.
32mb of Esram.
16GB of DDR4 on 256 bit bus. 100 gb/s
$399
Xbox Three:
8 core Zen at 2.1 ghz
32 CU gpu at 1050 mhz. 4.8 teraflops
Some amounts of HBM2 on the APU.
16GB of DDR4 on 256 bit bus. 100 gb/s
$499
Xbox Four (in a few years time):
16 core CPU at 2.4 ghz
64 CU gpu at 1.2 ghz. ~10 teraflops
64GB of HBM2.
$399
It's not a crazy thought. I think they are going to take a bigger hit on hardware than they initially did with XBO. Just look at how fast they started dropping the price of XBO. Since the start of this gen digital sales have skyrocketed and continue to grow, this means that each user is worth a lot more now than in the past. On top of that with the melding of their Windows 10 ecosystem they have even more reason to get as many users as possible. Every Xbox user is going to grow that Windows Store ecosystem.
Proelite
Member
If they introduce several configurations like the ones I listed before, they might want to take a hit only on the most popular and mainstream configuration, while make profits on the less popular ones.
Didn't you say Zen would make it more expensive? I think Microsoft would at least match the 4tf.
Proelite
Member
No? I don't see how it would be that much more pricer than Jaguar / Puma.
I must've misread then, either way. I think it'll be Jaguar at 2.1ghz with at least a 4tf Gpu. The RAM is the only thing I'm not sure of.
I could very well see that too. Part of me thinks the $500 Elite bundle was testing the waters for a configuration that they could sell at $500. A $500 box without kinect that is close to breaking even on BOM would actually be pretty damn solid. Then they could sell a slim XBO at $250 this holiday.
I'm torn n on if they would reconfigure the XBO APU for a slim. Using 14nm they could easily OC what is already there and even add a few CUs to the GPU while still greatly shrinking the die. This would allow them to cut costs and match or exceed the standard PS4 in power at a mainstream price. The problem then becomes asking developers to support three different configurations at the same time since OG XBO would still need to be supported. I suppose it all hinges on how easy UWP makes all of this cross device development.
Samurai G0SU
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Xbox 2017
Xbox 2018
Xbox 2020
Xbox 2024
Xbox 2028
Xbox 2018
Xbox 2020
Xbox 2024
Xbox 2028
inpHilltr8r
Member
XBox 2525
...if mankind is still alive
...if mankind is still alive
Proelite
Member
Imo it'll be two configuration.
1 configuration would be Xbox 1 mode.
2nd configuration would be UWP. Less to the metal so less efficient, but the binaries can target a variety of hardware, including the new Xboxes and W10 PCs.
All the Xbox devices that I listed, the slim, the two, three, etc will be run legacy Xb1 games in the Xb1 VM on the hypervisor.
For newer Xb1 games, they'll ship with capability to run on two VMs, legacy and UWP vm.
Legacy will be fixed and to the metal, while UWP will be scaleable, essentially the PC version.
The problem will be the esram for new Xb1 games. They'll need to update the DX12 api for W10 to be able to make use of esram.
Chobel
Member
Newest tech? AMD will ask them for more money.
That is more or less how I see it happening as well, I guess I just want to learn more about the full capabilities of UWP. Developers at the very least would have to include settings profiles for each hardware configuration, and I fear that too many configurations would lead to all of the profiles being slapped together. I also feel like more than two configurations at any given time would just create confusion on the market.
Bear Force One
Banned
Phil Spencer says a lot of things.
I'd almost buy another one I f they had a mic built into the console for cortana and 'Xbox pause'. They could also build in the Kinect IR blaster into the console front panel. Finally let me ditch my Kinect
Proelite
Member
They'll program at a high level and make the game's performance scaleable across a myriad of specs like current PC games are. They will not be able to compete against the Neo on a power / watt or dollar level on year 1 due to using high level apis, but going forward it allows them to iterate new hardware and configurations at a much faster rate.