I don't see this as much of a problem for multiplatform games. Maybe 1st party would have to change things up a bit.
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The Verge: Microsoft 'has been testing a variety of prototype Xbox devices'
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I don't see this as much of a problem for multiplatform games. Maybe 1st party would have to change things up a bit.
JayhawkerStL
Banned
That sounds like a great list.
I'd like to see a new Kinect released that keeps the mic functionality the same, but reduces the camera to something simple. I'd like the Kinect voice commands, and upcoming Cortana capability to remain a part of the ecosystem even with downplaying the Kinect.
I would like to see Rift and Vive support. Microsoft is demoing Vives in its stores so there is a relationship there. It would also help me with room space for the Vive. Right now I am planning on setting up my Vive in an office since it is where my PC is at. Being able to set it up in my living room without having to move my PC would be great. Getting a console to be the equivalent or just above the minimum requirement for the Rift and Vive could be expensive though.
Well, it was there to make up the bandwidth after going with DDR3 but if GDDR5 or equivalent achieves the same bandwidth wouldn't they just need to fool the software into thinking GDDR5 is the ESRAM ?
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Deleted member 752119
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Of course, but much less so. It's not like people are upgrading anything every few years to keep streaming Netflix. Once games are streaming like that, ala PS Now, hardware isn't much of an issue as you just need any tv, settop box etc. that has the app since all the processing is done in the cloud.
Unfortunately internet speed, caps and availability have us still a long ways off from that being available for all current games on a platform.
Just a (great) option is actually to use the available chatpad. There are some configurable buttons on it, so you can set them to record a video or take a screenshot.
Dunno if it´s necessary to have an extra button on the controller just for screenshots. I think, they are overrated...
dragonelite
Member
Esram is also a band aid for ddr3 bandwidth, from the looks of it the ps4k will have 200GB/S gddr5. Im pretty sure microsoft can find a way to emulate esram
in gddr5 or gddr5x
NewOrder79
Banned
Hmmm...
Captain Zyrain
Member
Maybe make the controller have a built in mic input for Cortana searching or something. Not sure how 'always on' audio listening would work with controller batteries though.
Yeah I don't think this is a huge problem but I don't know enough about this.
Proelite
Member
To emulate Esram and DDR3, they'll need ram bandwidth greater than 280gb/s. They'll probably need some head room because of the emulation layer. Next year they'll have the option of GDDR5x or HBM.
Theyll have to do some software magic to account for thr Esram latencies.
Steverulez
Member
Already exists.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Syber_Vapor_Elite
Go to kinko, and have them print a sticker of
And play on it with a DS4.
Done!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It will need to be a healthy leap performance wise for that to work with how the ESRAM is set up with it's speed bursts.
That method was much easier to pull off from a much weaker 360, since it had a similar usage with the EDRAM.
If it does happen, I expect more performance anomalies than you get with the 360 BC.
Art Vandilay
Member
Yeah, because Kinect has worked out so well for them. Please MS, don't do it.
Can multiplatforms run under a "PS4 profile" if you will?
There isn't any disparity here. In one statement he says he wants hardware innovation. In the other he says he doesn't like the idea of X1.5 he says he wants bigger numbers, a real upgrade.
Where is the contradiction?
Yeah. First I was very excited about Kinect v2 but it really didn't work out and added a lot of costs to the X1 SKU.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
He said he didn't like the idea of a slight upgrade. Which means when we get one, it'll most likely be a monster.
All in one point one, input one point one.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Won't someone think of Sony's feelings!?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Yup. It was the "few weeks" part that stuck out to me, though. That puts us close to a typical pre-E3 style reveal.
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
They should just put a mic on the front of the new console. Would work just as well as a mic on a Kinect across the room above/below the tv. As long as the console isn't behind closed doors (which is terrible for heat anyway).
Keep an eye out on xboxevent.com
The ambient noise/vibrations from the box itself could cause issue. In Kinect V2 this is why they separated it even from the Kinect main body.
Maybe put it in the controller then.
BleedOrange
Banned
Easy, extend the branding metaphore from the Surface line, Xbox One, and Xbox One Pro. Next cycle it becomes Xbox, and Xbox Pro. (Similar to what Apple does with Macbook/Macbook Pro and iPad/iPad Pro)
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Nah, I don't want a more expensive controller with reduced battery life and another thing to potentially break when I throw it at people.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Are they gonna lose the power battle again so spectacularly with this XB1.5?
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Now its getting very interesting
BleedOrange
Banned
I'm betting they include or sell a Camera/Mic combo that won't be Kinect branded that can optionally plug into the console. Or, if they wanna say fuck you to the NSA theorists they can just put a mic on the console. That gives them built-in Cortana support.
Beyond.
VincentMatts
Member
It's his opinion, that doesn't mean MS don't want that. At the end of the day he needs to do what helps the company, whether he likes it or not.
Art Vandilay
Member
I used it to pause things like Netflix, but that was pretty much it. Also, it kind of weirded out both me and my girlfriend with having a camera and microphone in the room. I once forgot to leave a party after playing Destiny, and realized people were just listening to us talking via the Kinect microphone for a good 10-15 minutes. That was the last time I used Kinect.
3rdamention
Member
Well, then, whenever the next Xbox is released, it will be the physical definition of what Phil thinks is "substantial change." Can't wait to see what it is, and at what price.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
One of the problems for MS is they do not have their own VR solution. They could try and cosy up even more to Occulus, but their weak console doesn't meet the minimum requirements in terms of specs. So what do they do?
They need to release an upgraded console that can be fully compatible with Occulus. But the problem is this is too little too late as by that time the PS4K will be already on the market and saturated with PSVR titles. They're on a hiding to nothing.
They need to release an upgraded console that can be fully compatible with Occulus. But the problem is this is too little too late as by that time the PS4K will be already on the market and saturated with PSVR titles. They're on a hiding to nothing.
LoL. That's hilarious.
Well, at least NO ONE would be able to say he was just a PR-spinner on that, then.
"Here, have a new basically-useless, redundant, 'Elite' (i.e. iterative) console. ...You're welcome."
Phil Spencer, June 13th 2016 @ 10:55am Pacific - wrapping up Microsoft's E3 2016 show
Wouldn't surprise me if they got the console reveal out of the way prior to e3, and then keep e3 focused purely on content.
VincentMatts
Member
You do realize that not everything that comes out of his mouth is the company's official position on the subject right? He said he didn't like the idea of that, not that MS would never do it. There's a difference. You you can't tell the difference that's your problem
SneakyStephan
Banned
So this is where their recent greed fueled UWA fever dream is coming from
they're trying to just sell pcs with their proprietary closed ecosystem on them to xbox gamers, and then try to transform the pc into that same ecosystem over time.
I just bought a high performance PC, but still play more on my Xbox because that's where my friends play. What I want more than anything is cross buy and cross play on all future games. That way, I can enjoy my more powerful hardware while they and anyone else has the option of an all in one box that is simpler and does what they want it to do without having to game on a PC.