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no periscope, but there IS a Facebook post by a Sanders campaign organizer where they actually blame Sanders supporters for not showing up
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NV Democrats file complaint against Sanders campaign to DNC
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no periscope, but there IS a Facebook post by a Sanders campaign organizer where they actually blame Sanders supporters for not showing up
SolicitorPirate
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Honest question; is anyone actually surprised by this? Bernie has been a piece of shit who's been breeding and encouraging conspiracies and fanaticism amidst his largely young base ever since he started gaining momentum
From the NSDP wikipedia page:
Stay classy, guys.In a recent revelation, Roberta Lange illegally rigged the Nevada primary in favor of Hillary Clinton.
plagiarize
Banned
Honest question; is anyone actually surprised by this? Bernie has been a piece of shit who's been breeding and encouraging conspiracies and fanaticism amidst his largely young base ever since he started gaining momentum
As I keep reminding people. This shit started the first day a vote was cast with the coin flips nonsense.
As I keep reminding people. This shit started the first day a vote was cast with the coin flips nonsense.
It started well before that, by that point it had been festering for a while.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Honest question; is anyone actually surprised by this? Bernie has been a piece of shit who's been breeding and encouraging conspiracies and fanaticism amidst his largely young base ever since he started gaining momentum
So you're saying he's the High Sparrow?
This is a terrible look for the campaign and I'm not sure where it goes from here. Sanders has fallen pretty low. Sadly, I think the worst is yet to come
BreezyLimbo
Banned
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck..
When these people are doing the same tactics as Gamergate, using the same or similar language as Gamergate, and the people defending it are diverting the main issue with cries of "ethics"... Don't be surprised others start comparing them to Gamergate.
Gamergate didn't invent those tactics though. Not defending GG, but it's funny that the first comparison you come to when it comes to Bernie Bros is 'gamergate'.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
He has condemned but hasn't condemned the protests. He sees it as a exercise of free speech which makes sense as he attended many protests himself. Maybe he should make a heavier condemnation?
metalslimer
Member
It started well before that, by that point it had been festering for a while.
I think everyone had their preferences but the divisions started becoming more stark after Iowa. The next day everyone started whining about superdelegates after they found out what they were.
We've also come a long way from Bernie saying he didn't care about the email thing. He wishes he would have attacked her harder to begin with. It seems like he's pissed at a blown opportunity and is realizing his campaign and political career are coming to an end
Holy crap he really does just walk away from the question
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/sanders-dodges-question-about-convention-disturbance-687328835563
I honestly originally assumed this was him freezing up because he didn't want to fuck up and give an answer that could be taken the wrong way. Not admirable, but at least trying to keep his foot out of his mouth over a pretty serious situation.
Then I saw the written response and, uh...
NSDP response to Sanders:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/312952650/nsdp
"We respect and admire Senator Sanders for his values and leadership in the United States Senate, but the Sanders campaign is continuing to be dishonest about what happened Saturday and is failing to adequately denounce the threats of violence of his supporters."
Glad the NSDP is responding.
Gamergate didn't invent those tactics though. Not defending GG, but it's funny that the first comparison you come to when it comes to Bernie Bros is 'gamergate'.
This is GAF, a videogame forum.
It's an analogy everyone here understands, so it's natural that it's one people run to.
Is it too much to ask him to do something right? Can we hold potential leaders of our country to a higher standard here? He is just sitting back and letting a group sow discord in his name because it's politically advantageous.
He is strip mining a party's integrity to gain political power.
The Democratic party had integrity? When?
The Bernie hate is very strange there. I understand the mocking of some of his over zealous and irrational supporters. But the dude himself has more integrity than any politician you can find. He's been in politics for decades and has one of the cleanest most admirable records you can find. I wish I believed in his campaign.
But if we're talking about integrity and higher standards and especially of political opportunism, I wonder why all of you Hillary supporters are so gung-ho about her? From what I'm reading around here, it feels like none of this is about that. It feels like bandwagoning to pick on the loser.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
This is GAF, a videogame forum.
It's an analogy everyone here understands, so it's natural that it's one people run to.
Oh it's understandable. But there is a humor in calling Bernie Bros gamer gaters.
The Democratic party had integrity? When?
The Bernie hate is very strange there. I understand the mocking of some of his over zealous and irrational supporters. But the dude himself has more integrity than any politician you can find. He's been in politics for decades and has one of the cleanest most admirable records you can find. I wish I believed in his campaign.
But if we're talking about integrity and higher standards and especially of political opportunism, I wonder why all of you Hillary supporters are so gung-ho about her? From what I'm reading around here, it feels like none of this is about that. It feels like bandwagoning to pick on the loser.
How about bandwagoning to pick on the asshat who blamed his own supporters delivering death threats in his name on the establishment before refusing to condemn them for doing so? Because that's a good goddamn reason to bandwagon.
The Democratic party had integrity? When?
The Bernie hate is very strange there. I understand the mocking of some of his over zealous and irrational supporters. But the dude himself has more integrity than any politician you can find. He's been in politics for decades and has one of the cleanest most admirable records you can find. I wish I believed in his campaign.
But if we're talking about integrity and higher standards and especially of political opportunism, I wonder why all of you Hillary supporters are so gung-ho about her? From what I'm reading around here, it feels like none of this is about that. It feels like bandwagoning to pick on the loser.
I don't think it's ethical to continue to take money from people knowing you have no chance of winning, but that's just me.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/index.html
Sorry if this has been posted already...
. But new audio obtained by CNN shows a senior Sanders aide -- on the eve of the Nevada convention -- encouraging the senator's supporters try to "take over" the convention, change party rules and continue the "revolution" that Sanders has long campaigned on.
"You should not leave," Joan Kato, the national delegates director, told Sanders supporters in a meeting last week at the Rumor Boutique Hotel. "I'm going to repeat that, unless you are told by someone from the campaign ... that you can leave, you should not leave
Sorry if this has been posted already...
What is this? A statement for ants? Readable version:
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-nevada/
PRESS RELEASE
Sanders Statement on Nevada
MAY 17, 2016
Twitter Facebook Email Link
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday issued the following statement:
It is imperative that the Democratic leadership, both nationally and in the states, understand that the political world is changing and that millions of Americans are outraged at establishment politics and establishment economics. The people of this country want a government which represents all of us, not just the 1 percent, super PACs and wealthy campaign contributors.
The Democratic Party has a choice. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change people who are willing to take on Wall Street, corporate greed and a fossil fuel industry which is destroying this planet. Or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy.
Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example, claim that the Sanders campaign has a penchant for violence. That is nonsense. Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence. Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. But, when we speak of violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign, shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked.
If the Democratic Party is to be successful in November, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned. I am happy to say that has been the case at state conventions in Maine, Alaska, Colorado and Hawaii where good discussions were held and democratic decisions were reached. Unfortunately, that was not the case at the Nevada convention. At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place. Among other things:
The chair of the convention announced that the convention rules passed on voice vote, when the vote was a clear no-vote. At the very least, the Chair should have allowed for a headcount.
The chair allowed its Credentials Committee to en mass rule that 64 delegates were ineligible without offering an opportunity for 58 of them to be heard. That decision enabled the Clinton campaign to end up with a 30-vote majority.
The chair refused to acknowledge any motions made from the floor or allow votes on them.
The chair refused to accept any petitions for amendments to the rules that were properly submitted.
These are on top of failures at the precinct and county conventions including trying to depose and then threaten with arrest the Clark County convention credentials chair because she was operating too fairly.
Thanks for posting this, that previous version was illegible.
There's been violence and nonsense on both sides this campaign. Still, this response feels ill-timed to me. The primary is essentially over. If it's about the message, then let's talk about the message, Bernie. That's where you're still important to the 2016 election. But we need to keep in mind first that the progressive goals you've fought for your entire life won't be furthered under a Republican president, and then second that, mathematically, Hillary cannot win the presidency without a plurality of Sanders voters backing her.
It's time for Dems to come together. This doesn't contribute towards that.
Well this is perfect. Sander's supporters really did get treated like crap at this thing, I've seen the video. And some of the more vehement supporters effectively tar his whole campaign, in the eyes of the media and indeed on here, with a whole slew of negativity. We should be outraged by the treatment of Sanders supporters at this thing but it turns out we're supposed to uniformly be disappointed in his campaign and forget about him now...
We're in a campaign, possibly the first in decades, perhaps ever, where there's a candidate actually talking about the deeper issues, not just one position vaguely to the left or right of a superficial issue as has been the case for years. Sanders wants to tackle the rot going on in democracies both in America, but also like those mirrored around the world. It's a big deal. Big money, huge corporate interests and massively wealthy individuals rigging the entire system to engineer a political landscape that suits them and their own interests, to the detriment of the American people, and the world at large. The traditional Republican AND Democratic position is like two sides of the same coin, the big rich folk still get their man or woman into power. One might suit them slightly better but ultimately nothing will fundamentally change for them.
Sanders represents at least a nugget of hope that the masses can begin to understand and protest against this rot and perhaps one day elect someone who can have the power to change it. The system being so rigged it will never voluntarily change itself. Hilary Clinton will never make any real strides to do anything to change this besides lip service.
We're dealing with bigger issues here, real issues for a change and Clinton IS the establishment figure here. Same as in the UK where I'm from it's the Tories and Blairites in the Labour party who don't ever mean to truly change anything for the betterment of the people, they work for other interested parties keen on rigging the political system for their own ends, to prop up their own careers and advance themselves later on in life once being an MP isn't enough (Blair has his multi million property empire and huge fees for speaking engagements to roomfuls of the mega rich for example).
These are highly contentious issues and the people finally seeing a chance to get real change in the system at the fundamental level are indeed very very forceful in their behaviour. Is it acceptable? No, of course not. Neither is it acceptable when people riot in the streets protesting ill treatment at the hands of the police, but when the world is so fucked up that your voice and freedoms are quashed and you have no outlet, then causing a ruckus can sometimes be the only way to make yourself heard. It's not pretty, it should be unnecessary but sadly it feel like it is to some.
I've seen the entire establishment media (establishment precisely because of the few powerful and rich owners they all have) rail against Bernie Sanders and in the UK Jeremy Corbyn. Both represent a real challenge to years of rampant cronyism and corruption at the heart of our democracies. They don't even proposal anything particularly radical, just a much fairer playing field for all and power removed from the rich to buy themselves a political landscape that suits their agendas. Yet they have been hounded relentlessly, even from the left leaning publications. Jeremy Corbyn for instance was utterly ridiculed and lambasted on a daily basis on the Guardian's website (and paper). Day after day telling us he had no chance of becoming Labour leader, day after day of fear story. Any positive piece of news pushed down, the slightest negative a big headline. Corbyn was elected by a landslide of the Labour party's grass roots membership. Sanders has had exactly the same treatment. I can understand the rage some of his supporters must feel, especially when support among the younger generations is so strong. They see the hope and potential but the further we go on they see how hopeless a case it is as Hilary has it all but sewn up.
Hilary is the candidate who will be nothing but a war monger, who will support the further erosion of your privacy as you get told again and again that you are under threat from terrorism, or China, or Russia... the same old fear tactics used to keep you in your place. No real progress for people, just more of the same failed middle of the road thinking that glosses over the real issues. Any Republican candidate would have been the same. Trump is a weird mix of the super extreme right wing and the middle ground. Ultimately he's a vastly rich guy who will do nothing to tackle true corruption such as tax havens etc. since he benefits from them directly.
I find it odd how so many on here are taking such a hardline view against Bernie for this one statement. It could and should have gone further in denouncing the idiots posting hateful and sexist slurs. I'm not sure what else I can say about that. In the UK I've noticed one side seems very quick to tar the other as soon as one person says something out of line, meanwhile their own side never gets the same scrutiny when they say things that are just as bad, or worse. The establishment supports one of these sides and goes on the offensive anytime something is said out of line. I feel like this is happening here. Sounds like a poor excuse I'm sure I'll be told but it's the fashion at the minute. A good way to deflect from your own failings and pin all the negative news to your opponent by finding some random shit on Twitter from someone with a twibbon. As I say, equal abuse from the opposing side from equally deranged nutjobs never manages to get picked up by the same media outlets. Funny that.
The whole political landscape in the west is an absolute clusterfuck. You have some pretty insanely brave people like Edward Snowden doing what they can for our freedom and democracy, yet people will believe the hawks who promote nothing but death and destruction as it makes them and their personal interest incredibly wealthy, and so on and so on.... It's sad we're so easily manipulated and shielded from the facts of what really goes on in high level life. We're all pawns in a sad game rigged against us from the start. Any attempt to usurp that quickly gets trodden down again from the entire establishment apparatus. Yay.
We're in a campaign, possibly the first in decades, perhaps ever, where there's a candidate actually talking about the deeper issues, not just one position vaguely to the left or right of a superficial issue as has been the case for years. Sanders wants to tackle the rot going on in democracies both in America, but also like those mirrored around the world. It's a big deal. Big money, huge corporate interests and massively wealthy individuals rigging the entire system to engineer a political landscape that suits them and their own interests, to the detriment of the American people, and the world at large. The traditional Republican AND Democratic position is like two sides of the same coin, the big rich folk still get their man or woman into power. One might suit them slightly better but ultimately nothing will fundamentally change for them.
Sanders represents at least a nugget of hope that the masses can begin to understand and protest against this rot and perhaps one day elect someone who can have the power to change it. The system being so rigged it will never voluntarily change itself. Hilary Clinton will never make any real strides to do anything to change this besides lip service.
We're dealing with bigger issues here, real issues for a change and Clinton IS the establishment figure here. Same as in the UK where I'm from it's the Tories and Blairites in the Labour party who don't ever mean to truly change anything for the betterment of the people, they work for other interested parties keen on rigging the political system for their own ends, to prop up their own careers and advance themselves later on in life once being an MP isn't enough (Blair has his multi million property empire and huge fees for speaking engagements to roomfuls of the mega rich for example).
These are highly contentious issues and the people finally seeing a chance to get real change in the system at the fundamental level are indeed very very forceful in their behaviour. Is it acceptable? No, of course not. Neither is it acceptable when people riot in the streets protesting ill treatment at the hands of the police, but when the world is so fucked up that your voice and freedoms are quashed and you have no outlet, then causing a ruckus can sometimes be the only way to make yourself heard. It's not pretty, it should be unnecessary but sadly it feel like it is to some.
I've seen the entire establishment media (establishment precisely because of the few powerful and rich owners they all have) rail against Bernie Sanders and in the UK Jeremy Corbyn. Both represent a real challenge to years of rampant cronyism and corruption at the heart of our democracies. They don't even proposal anything particularly radical, just a much fairer playing field for all and power removed from the rich to buy themselves a political landscape that suits their agendas. Yet they have been hounded relentlessly, even from the left leaning publications. Jeremy Corbyn for instance was utterly ridiculed and lambasted on a daily basis on the Guardian's website (and paper). Day after day telling us he had no chance of becoming Labour leader, day after day of fear story. Any positive piece of news pushed down, the slightest negative a big headline. Corbyn was elected by a landslide of the Labour party's grass roots membership. Sanders has had exactly the same treatment. I can understand the rage some of his supporters must feel, especially when support among the younger generations is so strong. They see the hope and potential but the further we go on they see how hopeless a case it is as Hilary has it all but sewn up.
Hilary is the candidate who will be nothing but a war monger, who will support the further erosion of your privacy as you get told again and again that you are under threat from terrorism, or China, or Russia... the same old fear tactics used to keep you in your place. No real progress for people, just more of the same failed middle of the road thinking that glosses over the real issues. Any Republican candidate would have been the same. Trump is a weird mix of the super extreme right wing and the middle ground. Ultimately he's a vastly rich guy who will do nothing to tackle true corruption such as tax havens etc. since he benefits from them directly.
I find it odd how so many on here are taking such a hardline view against Bernie for this one statement. It could and should have gone further in denouncing the idiots posting hateful and sexist slurs. I'm not sure what else I can say about that. In the UK I've noticed one side seems very quick to tar the other as soon as one person says something out of line, meanwhile their own side never gets the same scrutiny when they say things that are just as bad, or worse. The establishment supports one of these sides and goes on the offensive anytime something is said out of line. I feel like this is happening here. Sounds like a poor excuse I'm sure I'll be told but it's the fashion at the minute. A good way to deflect from your own failings and pin all the negative news to your opponent by finding some random shit on Twitter from someone with a twibbon. As I say, equal abuse from the opposing side from equally deranged nutjobs never manages to get picked up by the same media outlets. Funny that.
The whole political landscape in the west is an absolute clusterfuck. You have some pretty insanely brave people like Edward Snowden doing what they can for our freedom and democracy, yet people will believe the hawks who promote nothing but death and destruction as it makes them and their personal interest incredibly wealthy, and so on and so on.... It's sad we're so easily manipulated and shielded from the facts of what really goes on in high level life. We're all pawns in a sad game rigged against us from the start. Any attempt to usurp that quickly gets trodden down again from the entire establishment apparatus. Yay.
I don't think a lot of Hillary supporters are all that gung-ho on her. Her base of support is actually Obama's coalition- her '08 one is closer to Bernie's current (white-based) one. Many might have supported another candidate in an alternate timeline.The Democratic party had integrity? When?
The Bernie hate is very strange there. I understand the mocking of some of his over zealous and irrational supporters. But the dude himself has more integrity than any politician you can find. He's been in politics for decades and has one of the cleanest most admirable records you can find. I wish I believed in his campaign.
But if we're talking about integrity and higher standards and especially of political opportunism, I wonder why all of you Hillary supporters are so gung-ho about her? From what I'm reading around here, it feels like none of this is about that. It feels like bandwagoning to pick on the loser.
But if you look at the options and your alternatives are Trump and Sanders? This becomes less about her and more about preventing an apocalypse.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/index.html
Sorry if this has been posted already...
YOU MEAN WE HAVEN'T HIT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SHITSHOW YET?
I'm glad they're responding, even if it's politer than his shitstain of a statement deserves.
EDIT: Didn't realize there was more at the link; the full thing is much more satisfying.
Good job, NSDP!
Bernie isn't going to do anything. He's got your money.
DragonSworne
Banned
Sander's campaign is a mess.
I'm glad they're responding, even if it's politer than his shitstain of a statement deserves.
From the formatting of the response it's pretty clear a lawyer drafted it, so it's not too surprising it's polite.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/index.html
Sorry if this has been posted already.... But new audio obtained by CNN shows a senior Sanders aide -- on the eve of the Nevada convention -- encouraging the senator's supporters try to "take over" the convention, change party rules and continue the "revolution" that Sanders has long campaigned on.
"You should not leave," Joan Kato, the national delegates director, told Sanders supporters in a meeting last week at the Rumor Boutique Hotel. "I'm going to repeat that, unless you are told by someone from the campaign ... that you can leave, you should not leave
Considering how the campaign reacted. Not surprising at all.
The Democratic party had integrity? When?
The Bernie hate is very strange there. I understand the mocking of some of his over zealous and irrational supporters. But the dude himself has more integrity than any politician you can find. He's been in politics for decades and has one of the cleanest most admirable records you can find. I wish I believed in his campaign.
But if we're talking about integrity and higher standards and especially of political opportunism, I wonder why all of you Hillary supporters are so gung-ho about her? From what I'm reading around here, it feels like none of this is about that. It feels like bandwagoning to pick on the loser.
So this logic is that because the DNC is bad, It's fine for Mr. I Will Run A Positive Campagin to go down to their supposed badness in order to win?
And that's not hypocritical?
Dash_Riprock
Member
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/index.html
Sorry if this has been posted already...
It just keeps getting better!!!
The Democratic party had integrity? When?
At this moment it has far more than Bernie "I'm the REAL victim, even though it was my boys who were throwing chairs!" Sanders.
Jeffolation
Banned
If Philadelphia ends up being a bigger shitshow than Cleveland...
Good luck America.
Good luck America.
metalslimer
Member
It just boggles my mind that they are so angry that Clinton ended up with more delegates in a state she fucking won. Like I understand complaints about policy, but at its core they are trying to maneuver more delegates and mad that they failed.
It just boggles my mind that they are so angry that Clinton ended up with more delegates in a state she fucking won.
They are angry they don't get to subvert voters. 'If they would only understand etc etc' 'DNC voter fraud etc etc'
It just boggles my mind that they are so angry that Clinton ended up with more delegates in a state she fucking won.
These are the same people that say that Bernie should win the nomination despite being more than 3 million votes behind Clinton.
EatinOlives
Member
These are the same people that say that Bernie should win the nomination despite being more than 3 million votes behind Clinton.
...but The Will of the People tho...
hammysaurusrex
Member
I love when Eurpoeans comment on our primaries with completele unawareness they are not a general election.
It is May of 2016 and I still have no idea what Gamergate was, and every time I try to learn my eyes glaze over.
Do you think Trump is responsible for condemning violence at his rallies? Or is it ok if he says nothing and we all just assume he condemns it in his head?He shouldn't have to pander to people who think he should say things. Any idiot with a pea for a brain understands this, so what if he doesn't say it explicitly. They can be outraged just like every other person these days. Sanders did not personally do this, has stated many many times he doesn't condone violence.
I love when Eurpoeans comment on our primaries with completele unawareness they are not a general election.
Especially since most European nations don't even let the public pick the party leaders. How democratic of them
I don't think it's ethical to continue to take money from people knowing you have no chance of winning, but that's just me.
I don't know. People are giving him money willingly. I think his campaign at least sets a precedent in American politics that a fairly large portion of the electorate are in favor of progressivism. That they are trying to challenge establishment politics. It may be misguided, but it is something to consider. It's certainly not something to take lightly. And their delegate count and vote count are not that far off in the grand scheme of things. That said, I have never believed he has had a chance, but I think he should stay in the race until after California.
How about bandwagoning to pick on the asshat who blamed his own supporters delivering death threats in his name on the establishment before refusing to condemn them for doing so? Because that's a good goddamn reason to bandwagon.
I mean in general. In almost every thread. It's like people know Hillary is a fraud and yet they say, "Yeah but look at this guy!"
He did condemn the threats, though. Quite clearly.
I don't think a lot of Hillary supporters are all that gung-ho on her. Her base of support is actually Obama's coalition- her '08 one is closer to Bernie's current (white-based) one. Many might have supported another candidate in an alternate timeline.
Absolutely. But that's kind of my point. People are so on board with her because she is that candidate. Without any critical consideration. Because she's the force against the Republicans, she's the good one. Hillary Clinton, of all people.
But if you look at the options and your alternatives are Trump and Sanders? This becomes less about her and more about preventing an apocalypse.
This is just silly.
The throwing chairs thing seems to just be one big fat lie. The whole thing was live streamed, people were there the whole time who saw no chairs thrown.It just keeps getting better!!!
At this moment it has far more than Bernie "I'm the REAL victim, even though it was my boys who were throwing chairs!" Sanders.
Aaron Strife
Banned
The biggest lie that's been spread during this campaign is that Bernie is the first and only political candidate in America who really cares, man. And that he somehow represents the people better than Obama or Clinton.Well this is perfect. Sander's supporters really did get treated like crap at this thing, I've seen the video. And some of the more vehement supporters effectively tar his whole campaign, in the eyes of the media and indeed on here, with a whole slew of negativity. We should be outraged by the treatment of Sanders supporters at this thing but it turns out we're supposed to uniformly be disappointed in his campaign and forget about him now...
We're in a campaign, possibly the first in decades, perhaps ever, where there's a candidate actually talking about the deeper issues, not just one position vaguely to the left or right of a superficial issue as has been the case for years. Sanders wants to tackle the rot going on in democracies both in America, but also like those mirrored around the world. It's a big deal. Big money, huge corporate interests and massively wealthy individuals rigging the entire system to engineer a political landscape that suits them and their own interests, to the detriment of the American people, and the world at large. The traditional Republican AND Democratic position is like two sides of the same coin, the big rich folk still get their man or woman into power. One might suit them slightly better but ultimately nothing will fundamentally change for them.
Sanders represents at least a nugget of hope that the masses can begin to understand and protest against this rot and perhaps one day elect someone who can have the power to change it. The system being so rigged it will never voluntarily change itself. Hilary Clinton will never make any real strides to do anything to change this besides lip service.
We're dealing with bigger issues here, real issues for a change and Clinton IS the establishment figure here. Same as in the UK where I'm from it's the Tories and Blairites in the Labour party who don't ever mean to truly change anything for the betterment of the people, they work for other interested parties keen on rigging the political system for their own ends, to prop up their own careers and advance themselves later on in life once being an MP isn't enough (Blair has his multi million property empire and huge fees for speaking engagements to roomfuls of the mega rich for example).
These are highly contentious issues and the people finally seeing a chance to get real change in the system at the fundamental level are indeed very very forceful in their behaviour. Is it acceptable? No, of course not. Neither is it acceptable when people riot in the streets protesting ill treatment at the hands of the police, but when the world is so fucked up that your voice and freedoms are quashed and you have no outlet, then causing a ruckus can sometimes be the only way to make yourself heard. It's not pretty, it should be unnecessary but sadly it feel like it is to some.
I've seen the entire establishment media (establishment precisely because of the few powerful and rich owners they all have) rail against Bernie Sanders and in the UK Jeremy Corbyn. Both represent a real challenge to years of rampant cronyism and corruption at the heart of our democracies. They don't even proposal anything particularly radical, just a much fairer playing field for all and power removed from the rich to buy themselves a political landscape that suits their agendas. Yet they have been hounded relentlessly, even from the left leaning publications. Jeremy Corbyn for instance was utterly ridiculed and lambasted on a daily basis on the Guardian's website (and paper). Day after day telling us he had no chance of becoming Labour leader, day after day of fear story. Any positive piece of news pushed down, the slightest negative a big headline. Corbyn was elected by a landslide of the Labour party's grass roots membership. Sanders has had exactly the same treatment. I can understand the rage some of his supporters must feel, especially when support among the younger generations is so strong. They see the hope and potential but the further we go on they see how hopeless a case it is as Hilary has it all but sewn up.
Hilary is the candidate who will be nothing but a war monger, who will support the further erosion of your privacy as you get told again and again that you are under threat from terrorism, or China, or Russia... the same old fear tactics used to keep you in your place. No real progress for people, just more of the same failed middle of the road thinking that glosses over the real issues. Any Republican candidate would have been the same. Trump is a weird mix of the super extreme right wing and the middle ground. Ultimately he's a vastly rich guy who will do nothing to tackle true corruption such as tax havens etc. since he benefits from them directly.
I find it odd how so many on here are taking such a hardline view against Bernie for this one statement. It could and should have gone further in denouncing the idiots posting hateful and sexist slurs. I'm not sure what else I can say about that. In the UK I've noticed one side seems very quick to tar the other as soon as one person says something out of line, meanwhile their own side never gets the same scrutiny when they say things that are just as bad, or worse. The establishment supports one of these sides and goes on the offensive anytime something is said out of line. I feel like this is happening here. Sounds like a poor excuse I'm sure I'll be told but it's the fashion at the minute. A good way to deflect from your own failings and pin all the negative news to your opponent by finding some random shit on Twitter from someone with a twibbon. As I say, equal abuse from the opposing side from equally deranged nutjobs never manages to get picked up by the same media outlets. Funny that.
The whole political landscape in the west is an absolute clusterfuck. You have some pretty insanely brave people like Edward Snowden doing what they can for our freedom and democracy, yet people will believe the hawks who promote nothing but death and destruction as it makes them and their personal interest incredibly wealthy, and so on and so on.... It's sad we're so easily manipulated and shielded from the facts of what really goes on in high level life. We're all pawns in a sad game rigged against us from the start. Any attempt to usurp that quickly gets trodden down again from the entire establishment apparatus. Yay.
Do you know who the top three vote getters in American presidential primaries are? Hillary, Obama, Hillary again. The people have spoken.
Bernie has done a great service by bringing issues like campaign finance, class inequality and Wall Street abuses to the conversation. You know what he hasn't done? Laid out a concrete or realistic path to doing anything about those things. You know who has? Hillary.
Bernie is the underpants gnome candidate.
The final 2 candidates were Trump and Cruz. Not just republicans, but bat-shit crazy ones.Absolutely. But that's kind of my point. People are so on board with her because she is that candidate. Without any critical consideration. Because she's the force against the Republicans, she's the good one. Hillary Clinton, of all people.
Clinging to the one candidate capable of acting like an adult isn't unreasonable.
This is stupid. Trump actively encouraged violence. Talked about paying legal fees for the perpetrator, even.It is May of 2016 and I still have no idea what Gamergate was, and every time I try to learn my eyes glaze over.
Do you think Trump is responsible for condemning violence at his rallies? Or is it ok if he says nothing and we all just assume he condemns it in his head?
Sanders' supporters are inciting violence and sending death threats and your response is a rant about the establishment.
Of note, it goes into specifics about the delegates that were pitched: they didn't follow the rules and the Sanders campaign didn't bother responding when they got advance notice of the problem.
The credentials committee heard the cases of fourteen Sanders supporters whose information could not be verified and sat six of them after they were verified as registered Democrats. Eight Sanders supporters were deemed ineligible after the credentials committee verified they were not registered Democrats, including one that had changed their registration from Democratic to Green in April and several that were not registered voters. The rest, 50 individuals, never showed up at the convention to attempt to register and, therefore, would not have affected the outcome of the convention at all.
NV Dems provided the Sanders campaign the names of 44 delegates of the 64 in question whose information could not be verified. The Sanders campaign never responded and never provided information to verify their eligibility as delegates/alternates
Sanders' supporters are inciting violence and sending death threats and your response is a rant about the establishment.
To be fair that was Sanders' response as well.
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Gamergate didn't invent those tactics though. Not defending GG, but it's funny that the first comparison you come to when it comes to Bernie Bros is 'gamergate'.
True, but Gamergate does share a lot of similarities with Berniebros; large groups of young white men, who claim to be liberal, yet spend a lot of their time harassing people, especially women.
Sanders' supporters are inciting violence and sending death threats and your response is a rant about the establishment.
Sure he isn't Sanders?
Literally what in the fuck?But new audio obtained by CNN shows a senior Sanders aide -- on the eve of the Nevada convention -- encouraging the senator's supporters try to "take over" the convention, change party rules and continue the "revolution" that Sanders has long campaigned on.
"You should not leave," Joan Kato, the national delegates director, told Sanders supporters in a meeting last week at the Rumor Boutique Hotel. "I'm going to repeat that, unless you are told by someone from the campaign ... that you can leave, you should not leave
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