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[pastrami]

So this is the last generation where it will be easy to own multiple consoles. With these and other rumored iterations it really feels like going forward you pick a camp and stick with it.

It's all about creating an ecosystem, rather than hardware generations. Starting from scratch every generation is a ludicrous idea in this day and age.

Interested to see what ideas Microsoft has. Sounds like they have quite a few devices planned.

Edit: Also can't believe the 10TF rumor actually gained some traction.

 

[SOR5]

I think there was a sixth device that's an Xbox 1.5 for Fall, and that the other thing is a Roku TV box.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation.

I tried to pay close attention but he was bouncing all over the place with how much hardware there was D:

I didnt hear a 1.5, just a "very significantly upgraded console"

Which could be interpreted to be 1.5

I hope whatever is at E3 untangles this web of 4k sticks

 

[Doffen]

Thought i'd conceptualize the hints from the stream to make them a bit easier to digest, yes it was a nasty 5 minute scribble

Just what they need. Water out the Xbox brand.
Can't wait for these devices to not be relevant in Europe.

 

[Mokujin]

So basically this E3 could be titled "Blowing up the generational model" ?

Seems to me that so many products could result in a lose of focus, well at least it will be an entertaining E3, just a pity Nintendo is almost totally out this year.

 

[justsomeguy]

hmm, what would Xbox interface for PC mean?

IMO: Think of it like Media Centre for games. Or Steam Big Picture. Or just media centre

 

[TharpDaddy]

Something i'm interested in is the Xbox PC UI. If they force you to use a controller within that I could see them going down a route of cross play between PC and Xbox for more than just games like Rocket League. Halo, Gears of War, etc., but also allowing people to not use the Xbox UI if they'd prefer to play with m/kb.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Who knows and why is that Microsoft or Nintendo's problem?

Sony's doing what its doing and we'll see if it works out for 'em. Hell, we'll see if any ot what the big 3 are doing works out at all.

Where do I say that it's a problem for any company ? I am just curious how this will play out, usually new generations were pretty close.

 

[Real_Madrid]

If the Xbox One interface on PC is gamepad only, they certainly have my money for their games.
That would also solve the problem with games like Titanfall that have a small audience on PC and where as now you cannot connect them due to K+M and gamepad.

It would even make a new console purchase way less excising for me.

 

[IvanJ]

Microsoft doubling down on hardware after recent hardware underperformance? okay then, will be entertaining to watch.

This reminds me of their doubling down on mobile after previous underperformance.
Today we found out how that turned out.

 

[thehillissilent]

So Xbox 4K later this year and a new Xbox 2 in 2017 on brand new architecture? Find that hard to believe.

Yeah. I'm highly skeptical about an Xbox 2 especially if they are going to launch 1.5 this year.

 

[ElMexiMerican]

I may have misread but I thought it's only announcement for new device next spring. That could still be a 2018 release date.



Sorry if that type of information is out there i'm not aware of it.

Ahhh I just looked back at the original post and noticed that. That makes a little bit more sense than my original assumption.

No one said Xbox 1.5 this year.

EDIT: Wait... he did say that? I'm confused now.

At first it wasn't stated in the OP, but another poster noted that he did say that.

 

[AndyD]

I mean if done right it could work but damm if owning multiple consoles will be dead in the past unless your swimming In cash

Indeed. But with Xbox seemingly becoming a PC based service as well (cross-games and interface) you could not own a console, but instead play on a PC and stream it to a TV via one of the sticks or smaller boxes.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Man it really seems like Microsoft has fallen off. Next year? Do they not realize the xb1 sucks? Why are their pants down.

Do you think its a good idea for them to release a similiar new console that will equal to the PS4 Neo and try to go head to head right now? I personally don't think so. They will have a better chance at releasing a new box that should be more powerful than Neo and really make sure their strategy is in place before just jumping to compete head 2 head with this gen market leader.

The Xbox name is still very relevant, releasing less than a year after the competitor wouldn't be the biggest issue in the scope of things.

 

[justsomeguy]

Just what they need. Water out the Xbox brand.
Can't wait for these devices to not be relevant in Europe.

Yeah, 'cos Europe doesn't use controllers, PCs or XBoxes. (Actually, that last one...)

 

[MarkMclovin]

Whats the point in the stick when the apps can be run from the console?

 

[Nirolak]

Okay I *think* the title encompasses as much of the insane product deluge as I can fit at this point.

 

[Granadier]

That's why I don't think it's happening the tech is not there at a good price point.

This is true. The new Pascal architecture just barely breaks 10TFLOPS. I would assume a more conservative 4-5TFLOPS would be more believable.

 

[Chris1]

He didn't say it was. The possibility of it actually being 10Tflops is so infinitesimally low, it'll probably be around 4, in line with the PS4K.

That's not really a big jump like Phil said will happen though?

Really dumb if it's going to be competing with the PS4k, it's going to put them in a situation where they are always playing catchup, when they should be getting ahead of the curve, coming out before the PS5 with equal-ish power. They're releasing a next gen console just as powerful as a current gen console, what's the point?

 

[justsomeguy]

Thought i'd conceptualize the hints from the stream to make them a bit easier to digest, yes it was a nasty 5 minute scribble

He didn't say the xbox was going to have an 'apps focus' just that they wanted something more relevant to cord cutters and less bulky.

The *focus* for xbox is still games, he said they're VERY aware not to repeat the reveal TVTVTV.

 

[The God]

It's all about creating an ecosystem, rather than hardware generations. Starting from scratch every generation is a ludicrous idea in this day and age.

Interested to see what ideas Microsoft has. Sounds like they have quite a few devices planned.

Is this something that can't be remedied by just having BC going forward?

 

[Real_Madrid]

Just what they need. Water out the Xbox brand.
Can't wait for these devices to not be relevant in Europe.

Isn't this just way more relevant for Europe than the Xbox One main console?

 

[dancrane212]

I must have missed the 1.5 stuff with my audio problems. Hopefully when the archive of the stream is up things can get sorted out.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Xbox 1.5 this year and then another upgraded Xbox next spring? That seems like a horribly crowded time frame to release all of this. Should probably wait a little bit longer to allow the two time to breathe if the rumor is true.

All that he has said will be announced is the MS version of Amazon fire TV, one that will probably play xbox live arcade games.


And are they going to be too late to the party, people already have fire tv, apple tv, a smart tv that does everything already. Is the market opening there?

Will they brand it as Xbox? Sullying the "gaming" division name with yet more "TV TV TV" nonsense? If they get up on stage and bang on about a fecking TV streaming device for 70% of their Xbox E3 conference, then... I can only imagine the backlash.

Would they be so stupid as to try this a second time? Make the games the after thought again? Would they? Of course they would.

The *focus* for xbox is still games, he said they're VERY aware not to repeat the reveal TVTVTV.

They'll stealth it...

 

[BumRush]

What would the "stick" consist of? A way to play X1 / 360 games or just something like a Roku device with Apps?

 

[Plinko]

I'm not getting this at all. Form factor and everything else this addresses isn't why the Xbox One isn't outselling PS4.

 

[cartographer]

Okay I *think* the title encompasses as much of the insane product deluge as I can fit at this point.

As best as you can. If he was already walking back the Xbox 2 thing in chat though I don't know you can fit that into a coherent OP or title.

Though I guess coherency should be abandoned based on the stream.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Full Xbox One ecosystem on PC? Count me in!!!

 

[Voost Kain]

2017 is too soon for a new generation I guess but I can't blame MS after all Xbox One fiasco

What fiasco, they are still ahead of the 360 and selling millions of consoles.

No matter how you spin it it is illogical to release a new console in 2017, let alone announce it NOW effectively killing profits and revenue.

 

[Neoxon]

R.I.P. NX Console is the Xbox 2 is truly a new gen system rather than a PS4K/n3DS to the Xbox One.

 

[Averon]

AMD has Zen based APUs coming out in 2017, too. I can see MS going for that, but then again they have backwards compatibility to be concerned about. So they may just do what Sony is doing and stick with Jaguars cores but overclocking them.

 

[SOR5]

He didn't say the xbox was going to have an 'apps focus' just that they wanted something more relevant to cord cutters and less bulky.

The *focus* for xbox is still games, he said they're VERY aware not to repeat the reveal TVTVTV.

Sorry, that should be "Windows store apps" focus

 

[Hoo-doo]

Whats the point in the stick when the apps can be run from the console?

Because the stick will probably be <99$ and aimed at non-gamers.

 

[jbug617]

Won't get a Xbox Slim. Will buy the next Xbox in 2017

 

[PeskyToaster]

Interesting. I get way more out of my playstation than my Xbox so I probably wouldn't upgrade to a new Xbox in the fall. The biggest bonus for these upgraded consoles is the 4k capabilities but it would be hard for me to justify upgrading both.

 

[Flintty]

Isn't the Xbox 2 just an upgraded Xbox One in this case?

I think maybe the point is that they drop the number branding and move to an ecosystem where you buy an Xbox game and play it on any Xbox device which will include One, 1.5, PC and beyond. Ongoing backwards compatability with scaled graphics tailored to each configuration (i.e. the game reads what system it's on and auto configures graphics output). That's how I read it anyway, and I like it. This is exactly what I have predicted in previous discussions.

 

[Chris1]

AMD has Zen based APUs coming out in 2017, too. I can see MS going for that, but then again they have backwards compatibility to be concerned about. So they may just do what Sony is doing and stick with Jaguars cores but overclocking them.

They got 360 BC working on XB1, I don't think you have to worry about BC. They'll find a way to make it work no matter what they do. UWP might help here too, since it scales to all different devices. Their stance and vision is clear at this point, and BC is a huge part of that.

 

[Infernostew]

So many late to the party devices. Most of these markets are already dominated. Seems like a poor move to push their ecosystem.

 

[Granadier]

I'm not getting this at all. Form factor and everything else this addresses isn't why the Xbox One isn't outselling PS4.

 

[Leflus]

Man... I'm going to be disappointed if the two rumoured devices for E3 really ends up being Xbox TV and Xbox TV 1.5. I was hoping for Xbox One slim.

(Hmm. Unless the Xbox One.5 ends up being a slim device, of course. They need to reduce the size of that thing.)

 

[Chobel]

A new Xbox 1.5 this year then one year later, a new gen Xbox 2? That sounds like bullshit.

 

[justsomeguy]

Microsoft doubling down on hardware after recent hardware underperformance? okay then, will be entertaining to watch.

Since when have MS given up because a product didn't perform well?

Spoiler

Apart from phones to consumers

Surface RT -> Surface Pro 4, what a turnaround.

 

[Bots are better than you]

So basically this E3 could be titled "Blowing up the generational model" ?

Well, no, as, going with all rumors, neither PS4K nor XBox One 2 are being announced at E³ but join NX in not being present (at least not for the public and the media).

But yeah, (to me) it looks like all console makers are going for their own take on console generations, Sony with intermediate hardware updates, MS with maybe short/more frequent new hardware and Nintendo with those rumored SCDs.

There's one fact, it's going to be interesting.

 

[D4Danger]

Okay I *think* the title encompasses as much of the insane product deluge as I can fit at this point.

Rumour: Xbox noun* Xbox number** Xbox date*** Xbox**** Xbox*****

 

[LordBaztion]

Why would someone be interested in X1.5 when X2 is coming next year?

 

[Wollan]

They have no choice but to do a 'console generational shift' with a new architecture. ESRAM is a major roadblock.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Sounds like the PS4 Neo leak caught MS off guard (once again) if they're really not gonna launch this year when Sony is.

A one year head start is really gonna give Sony the edge much like the 360 last gen.

Rest of the stuff sounds like potential plan Bs in case MS leaves the console industry.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

This is true. The new Pascal architecture just barely breaks 10TFLOPS. I would assume a more conservative 4-5TFLOPS would be more believable.

Where did the 10TFLOP rumor come from ?

 

[Interfectum]

A new Xbox 1.5 this year then one year later, a new gen Xbox 2? That sounds like bullshit.

Yeah I don't buy it, unless Xbox 2 is radically different (VR/AR only) or something.

 

[Real_Madrid]

Whats the point in the stick when the apps can be run from the console?

Because it's probably aimed at non-gamers and gamers who want to stream their games from pc.
No one is going to buy the stick if they have a console.

 

[Plinko]

Why? I'm puzzled at the business decisions here. It appears they may be making the same mistake here as they did with the mobile phones.