Likely number 1. Nintendo could sell as many Tegra powered NX devices in one month then the lifetime amount of Shield units lol.
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Nintendo NX rumored to use Nvidia's Pascal GPU architecture
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Bolivar687
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blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Contradictions-shmontradictions. Those guys run off FPGAs - they're above such stuff.
Schnozberry
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The Shield Tablet sold like shit, and what little sold of the K1 version cost them a lot of money due to a battery recall.
The Abominable Snowman
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LordOfChaos
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Yeah, probably that the Nintendo Totally-Not-Shield will be their Pascal Tegra showcase anyways.
I don't suppose Nintendo will keep one of the Shields hallmarks though, PC game streaming from Geforce GPUs. Unless an active dock later does just that (keep the dock dream moderately not dead!)
The Shield products were always their low/no margin "Oh shit, our Tegras aren't selling" thing anyways.
Note to self: Do not try to debunk claims over Twitter. It's amazing that I wasted 3 hours because somehow, the person that made this NX is using AMD claim I posted earlier could not understand why I kept pointing out why his article doesn't confirm anything because it's claim has a reference to another article that states it only "believes" AMD won orders for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.
That wasn't the end of it though, I don't want to go on about that. It shouldn't be too long for the reveal now because, wow...
That wasn't the end of it though, I don't want to go on about that. It shouldn't be too long for the reveal now because, wow...
Don't discuss NX on Twitter. Period. Especially with the Eddy guy who stalks PE Twitter threads.
Lol. You know better. It doesn't just relate to gaming either. It's hard to win an argument over the internet.
Starchasing
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But even if its a beast, Nintendo would be tempted to use a lower resolution screen and make it last longer by under clocking it.
But maybe this time Nintendo will realize that they have to make it look better than a regular phone.
You're right, I unfortunately thought that these people that keep stating "logical things" should have understood the logic in what I was pointing out.
I blocked him.
LegendofLex
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Yeah, I think even I'm gonna start shutting up, now. It's a waste of time.
It's not worth it. No matter what you say, they go on the defensive, and then claim to be victims and that anyone saying differently from them refuses to accept reality.
Wow...did the Shield line really sell that badly?
Random thought with no basis in anything important at all anyways, but...what are the chances that this whole NVIDIA/Nintendo thing is more partner-y than simply just providing chips? I'm talking "Nintendo Powered by NVIDIA" levels where it's a main thing and that they may be a "key" to gaming for NVIDIA? I just really didn't know the Shield stuff did that badly!
Dark Cloud
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What if NVidia went to Nintendo because they need help?
LegendofLex
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Yeah, exactly.
They're operating in an echo chamber at this point.
That actually might be a not-half-bad way to get marginally better mainstream third-party support.
But I don't see it happening.
As I said earlier:
I wish people would just stop posting about it unless there's actually some substance behind it. I mean, I'm not against any specific person or want to circlejerk how rumor X is better than rumor Y. I just want this non-sense to stop. It's childish and won't bring NX info closer to us.
LordOfChaos
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I don't think they were particularly pushed to be sold well though, I thought the first one started when Tegra sales fell off a cliff and they wanted a technology demonstrator for it, as well as getting rid of any excess stock they ordered.
A partnership would be interesting in that it could keep some of the coolest Shield features like PC streaming...But Nintendo seems pretty whole banana. But with as much as they seem to be shifting, who knows.
GhostTrick
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Schnozberry
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The Shield K1 Tablet sold less than 200k units. They had to recall over 80,000 of them and replace them.
Nintendo would by far be Nvidia's largest Tegra Customer ever, even counting Google. The Nexus 9 tablet was the poorest seller of the Nexus line to date. Hard numbers are difficult to come by, but the Nexus 7 sold over 5 million units, and it was rumored that the Nexus 9 struggled to crack a million.
The NX, if the rumored software lineup and consumer friendly price point are accurate, would hopefully end up being the best selling Tegra Product ever by quite a margin.
Now I just blocked the other guy that made the claim because he made the excuse that he can't get the link I pointed out to work and then apparently it was downloading a file and then it asked him to download the app and he proceeded to say, "have a nice day".
Wow...
The article he mentions is at the top of the page for 50ppp here, the link is there, it works on chrome and Twitter browser without the problems mentioned from checking just now.
And I had already screenshoted the article long before that that he would have seen the images I provided.
Wow...
The article he mentions is at the top of the page for 50ppp here, the link is there, it works on chrome and Twitter browser without the problems mentioned from checking just now.
And I had already screenshoted the article long before that that he would have seen the images I provided.
Skittzo0413
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That would be a very different Nintendo move, but they are seemingly more open to partnerships both with their backend (DeNA) and their IPs, so they may be open to a hardware partnership.
As others have said this would actually be a pretty smart move if they aim to recapture some third party support. This kind of partnership would probably come with some manner of revenue sharing though, which Nintendo and nVidia both seem to not be interested in.
Thanks for the comments everyone! Boy...sales were really bad! That'd be a lot of leverage Nintendo could bring to it!
I'm trying to envision what sort of "sharing" could take place that they'd both see the advantages of working out something more "close." Probably prominent NVIDIA logo on the NX for one! But, since NVIDIA's gaming service is closed off but with Android games on it, it does provide a way to have Android gaming on NX but not have to pay revenue out to Google; a smaller portion could go to NVIDIA instead. Nintendo could also host their games on the service too, just you need authenticated Nintendo hardware to download and run it in the first place. I just figure NVIDIA cares more about this service than they do about the hardware line, but what do I know? Maybe NVIDIA could release a Founder's Edition of the NX on their own and then pay back Nintendo for the name usage?
I have to take a break from the insanity of the other thread.
I was going to say "one day," but the post below you makes even one hour possible.
I was going to say "one day," but the post below you makes even one hour possible.
Okami Haundo
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I salute you for attempting to fight the good fight. I spent a day or two just calling out HappyNintendoFan on Twitter for all the BS he posted. After a bit I realized that it's a pointless fight and these people will just live in their own insane little world. Just block them all so they can live in their barely researched community of disbelief.
LordOfChaos
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I'm reminded of the Gamecube ATI logo, I think that must have gotten a fair number of people to go "huh, what is this ATI powering my Gamecube?" and finding out what GPUs are that way.
My story like that was the '98 iMac G3 bondi blue, with Rage Pro graphics. I stumbled on it somewhere in the help menus of OS 8 as a kid and then pretty much followed the industry ever since.
Founders Edition NX though, oh god lol. On the GPU side at least that was nothing but early price gouging. The cooler wasn't even particularly good, though it was a blower.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
That machine has been the pinnacle of the industry for me. An absolutely-no-compromise, state-of-the-art design. I literally had rage outbursts for a week once I learned nintendo were butchering it with the $99 SKU.
I'm reminded of the Gamecube ATI logo, I think that must have gotten a fair number of people to go "huh, what is this ATI powering my Gamecube?" and finding out what GPUs are that way.
My story like that was the '98 iMac G3 bondi blue, with Rage Pro graphics. I stumbled on it somewhere in the help menus of OS 8 as a kid and then pretty much followed the industry ever since.
Founders Edition NX though, oh god lol. On the GPU side at least that was nothing but early price gouging. The cooler wasn't even particularly good, though it was a blower.
Oh yeah, I remember that ATI logo! It stood out on the 'Cube! I bet the advertising and name recognition alone on a Nintendo product would be worth quite a lot if they had it! And LOL about the FE NX! Hopefully that whole thing has gotten better, because like you said, it just seemed like price gouging!
Hmm...well, maybe not for the "real" NX, but...if they are targeting the casual market, I don't put it past them to release something small like that! That new NES Mini is apparently pretty tiny!
I wonder at about what "generation" in gaming they could get to with something that small as an HDMI plug-in console? Think they could hit GC-level or not? (I'm not even envisioning super crazy games, just more casual-focused stuff!) It's just crazy you can put a computer on a little plug like that now with WiFi and everything.
It sold that bad huh? Wow. Lol.
GhostTrick
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Same.
This was a masterly crafted device. So small, powerful, affordable, top loading, various colors, and not that far off from the VCR sized OG Xbox. Not to mention it ran pretty cool and quietly.
There's a reason it's my favourite Nintendo console and why I was a little upset when they left the tech race since they were good at it up to that point.
Ah well.
Sebastian Suola
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They removed the digital video output.
iirc, the digital output was removed after the price had already been dropped to /$99.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Perhaps they dropped the price of units that were already in stores, but the price came along with the 'streamlined' SKU, which dropped an external peripheral interconnect ('port 2'), which was not a big deal, but also removed the digital AV port, which was a big deal.
shouamabane
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Nintendo favors small, quiet hardware. Mobile graphics seems most likely to me.
I remember I was going to tweet happyNintendofan that his trolling is hilarious.
This was from seeing one of his videos yesterday that was uploaded around August 5th.
I immediately laughed when his video started saying this on the first frame.
HappyNintendoFan said:
Then his video started showing VR patents that don't belong to Nintendo and other random stuff like DMP's webpage (the guys who did the 3DS GPU) because I think he kept pointing that they have eye tracking tech, I forget.
The video didn't make sense.
Now that I've met some of the others, it's just so pathetic the way they go about things.
Edit: I'm adding in more about the pathetic part just for clarification. Their methodology of "logic" involves pointing to an article that mentions AMD and NX in the same sentence and saying this is "proof". They then look at something that's unfavourable to that and state that there's really no evidence.
What's occurring now after me wasting time debunking their claims is that one of these guys has taken the "let's wait for the reveal to happen" approach when he was so certain before.
At least if you can admit that you are wrong I wouldn't be so condescending, it's especially because of the behaviours some of these people have when confronted that their claims have been debunked that I feel this way towards them.
James Scott
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Still, you can probably do that and provide a more powerful system.
It's not like iPads are just iPhones with a bigger screen
shouamabane
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True. I think over time mobile graphics and PC based graphics will get closer to each other. Especially in the eyes of the more casual audience that Nintendo tries to cater to.
TLZ
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Every time I venture into a NX thread hoping for news or reading new speculation I'm met with this poison. Let's just rename it to the "SMD says" thread. It's all he say she say. Where has all the intelligent posts gone? Why do you even bother? Why anyone is so worked up over others' findings/speculation is beyond me. Everything is a rumor. No side has facts. Nothing is 100% confirmed. No official news. You're not better trying to prove your speculation as fact forcing it on them. To each their own. It's like everyone's on a high horse now and all they care about is do nothing but hate on the other to prove them wrong. Who gives a toss who behaves how or why? I thought the whole point of speculation on rumors is for people to have fun? How's jumping down each other's throats fun? This is stupid and pointless bickering and I seriously hope you are all wrong and Nintendo reveals the NX is nothing but a potato. Then I'll feed you, Nate, King Snake, 10k, Neoxon, Trev, PE, Emily, Eurogamer and every insider, potato stuffed crows till the cows come home.
Sounds delicious.Every time I venture into a NX thread hoping for news or reading new speculation I'm met with this poison. Let's just rename it to the "SMD says" thread. It's all he say she say. Where has all the intelligent posts gone? Why do you even bother? Why anyone is so worked up over others' findings/speculation is beyond me. Everything is a rumor. No side has facts. Nothing is 100% confirmed. No official news. You're not better trying to prove your speculation as fact forcing it on them. To each their own. It's like everyone's on a high horse now and all they care about is do nothing but hate on the other to prove them wrong. Who gives a toss who behaves how or why? I thought the whole point of speculation on rumors is for people to have fun? How's jumping down each other's throats fun? This is stupid and pointless bickering and I seriously hope you are all wrong and Nintendo reveals the NX is nothing but a potato. Then I'll feed you, Nate, King Snake, 10k, Neoxon, Trev, PE, Emily, Eurogamer and every insider, potato stuffed crows till the cows come home.
You should be excited for the NX.
But the point of using an architecture like Nvidia's is that there's no difference between "mobile graphics" and "console graphics" in terms of hardware. In both cases there are a handful of ARM cores and some number of Pascal SMs, ROPs, etc., and the reason that one is considered a handheld SoC and the other is considered a home console SoC is down to the fact that the former has much lower clock speeds to keep power draw in the low single digits, and the latter is clocked much higher because it can be actively cooled and battery consumption isn't a concern. There's no point in releasing an Apple TV style passively cooled microconsole when you could slap a cheap heatsink and fan on there and easily double or triple the performance.
Spyder_Monkey
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Every time I venture into a NX thread hoping for news or reading new speculation I'm met with this poison. Let's just rename it to the "SMD says" thread. It's all he say she say. Where has all the intelligent posts gone? Why do you even bother? Why anyone is so worked up over others' findings/speculation is beyond me. Everything is a rumor. No side has facts. Nothing is 100% confirmed. No official news. You're not better trying to prove your speculation as fact forcing it on them. To each their own. It's like everyone's on a high horse now and all they care about is do nothing but hate on the other to prove them wrong. Who gives a toss who behaves how or why? I thought the whole point of speculation on rumors is for people to have fun? How's jumping down each other's throats fun? This is stupid and pointless bickering and I seriously hope you are all wrong and Nintendo reveals the NX is nothing but a potato. Then I'll feed you, Nate, King Snake, 10k, Neoxon, Trev, PE, Emily, Eurogamer and every insider, potato stuffed crows till the cows come home.
I don't care if I'm wrong, if I get NX completely wrong and that NX is a potato, oh well. I would admit being wrong.
What's problematic is that we can't conclude what it is and the last thing we want is another WUST where everyone just ended up being so disappointed with the Wii U after posts by Ideaman hyped people up too much.
Do we really want that again?
I can understand that you don't want to see stuff from SuperMetalDave but the more stuff he keeps claiming that newly pops up, I have to debunk those claims because he is stating that it is "proof", not speculation.
We also recently had people post multiple times about articles from Yahoo in May about AMD being involved with NX.
I don't remember proving my speculation as fact and forcing it on others. Again, I want to speculate lots of things that the NX could do other than power. However, power seems to be the main topic most people go with.
"Who gives a toss about who behaves or why?",
so do you prefer for people to lie to you, and attack you personally when they can't defend against arguments that counter their claims?
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