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Shocking News: Phil Spencer suggests Scorpio will not cost more than $599
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Shifty1897
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A windows license is closer to 90 bucks right now, and the Scorpio is rumoured to push 6 TFLOPS, so you'd need a 1070 to match, not a 1050. So not a fair comparison.
I'm sticking with my PC though.
I can't see it being that cheap. I hope your right but He's already calling it a "premium product". So I think we're looking at $499 minimum. Guess will have to wait and see.
CarbonFire
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Here's a prebuilt PC with better specs than that for $720
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HNBLHAA/?tag=neogaf0e-20
More than $600, but shows that a $600 Scorpio would be way overpriced a year from now. $499 is the absolute limit for a machine that won't have any exclusive (non-VR) games for several years. And even that is pushing it, since it will still be a weak 4K machine (compared to what 4K ACTUALLY requires).
MisterXDTV
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My guess:
To keep the price in decent range, they will keep the Jaguar CPU (or very similar)
Final result:
- $499
- Too powerful to be mid-gen with Xbox One as base level
- Too weak to be next-gen (shared software with Xbox One that is still the base level)
To keep the price in decent range, they will keep the Jaguar CPU (or very similar)
Final result:
- $499
- Too powerful to be mid-gen with Xbox One as base level
- Too weak to be next-gen (shared software with Xbox One that is still the base level)
Given how so many exclusives are ending up on PC anyway, I'm not seeing too much of a point in picking up the Scorpio if I have a beefy PC and a PS4 Pro in a couple of months, especially if it ends up being like 600 euros (I'm assuming a 1:1 dollar to euro ratio, as is almost always the case). I'd rather put that money towards a Volta GPU.
Oh well, I guess it's just a case of waiting it out and seeing what benefits there are when this hits shelves next year. I'm far more excited for the Pro given that I can't play the big exclusives on PC.
Oh well, I guess it's just a case of waiting it out and seeing what benefits there are when this hits shelves next year. I'm far more excited for the Pro given that I can't play the big exclusives on PC.
RichiRamjag
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Who cares? This is a Scorpio thread. I don't get why some of you PC guys feel the need always come around pushing your platform of choice when no one asked to begin with. Doesn't matter what the cost is, some people would rather use consoles.
I'm with you 100%. I'll bookmark this thread.
And then forget about the bookmark long before the Xbox One Scorpio releases.
Huge Succeeded
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Maybe I'm just high as fuck but I'm reading that string of comments a little differently than you are. Or more specifically, when Carbon asked "why would anyone want this?", I don't think they were referring to the Scorpio itself, I think they were referring to that $599 max pricepoint in the thread title. Which is why Carbon's rebuttals are so centered around demonstrating that a PC at a similar power level could be built at a similar price, whereas I think the expectation with consoles is generally that they punch above their weight (their cost of entry) out of the gate.
CarbonFire
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Of course, and I don't besmirch anyone who goes that route. I was simply responding to that persons post wrt cost. The tech would not be THAT advanced in 2017 to warrant such a high price is what I think the general point here is.
For people who truly don't care, the One S will still be around in a year and play all the same games (except for VR) for at least 50% less than a $600 Scorpio. I think $399 or MAYBE $450 is a more realistic price point given the functionality that machine will likely provide.
ethomaz
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I believe 6TFs in 2017 is less cutting edge than 1.84TFs in 2013.
PS4 GPU was based in a mid-high card while Scorpio will be based in a mid card.
HD 7850 was like the GTX 1070 from AMD in 2013
RX 480 @ 6TF Will be like GTX 1060 from AMD in 2017
PS. I used nVidia cards because AMD didn't have anything mid-high or high this gen.
Bolivar687
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Microsoft will never launch another $499 console again.
ethomaz
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The GPU is inferior, lacks UHD drive and others things...
A bad comparison to be fair.
IcyRhythms
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Microsoft can afford to take a loss, if there is one to take.
PapaEmeritus
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Has to be 399$ or it's a tough sell.
Basically this is their time to do a "PS4" price announcement and wow people.
Basically this is their time to do a "PS4" price announcement and wow people.
Troubled Bat
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So, it's going to be $499 then.
FinaruDensetsu
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If MS knew it could be $399 they should definitely announce that right now. Would put at least some sort of dent in PS4P sales.
mcdomination
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The PC part lists need to include UHD drives and gamepads.....as those are included in the console price.
Okami Haundo
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I'm not sure I understand your thinking here. What would they have to gain by announcing a retail price so far in advance? That gives their competition a ton of time to figure out how they'll combat that price. It also devalues their current offering of the Xbox One S, so just... no.
I know that game consoles aren't really a "need", and budgets can be tight, but... I don't think the majority of day one customers for Scorpio have $400 on-hand right now that would be their gaming budget for the next year or so.
Netherscourge
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Does the Scorpio come with a Keyboard and Mouse?
FinaruDensetsu
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Well the gamepad costs them like $2 to build so that's not a big deal. Profit margins on accessories are built in to be astronomical is all.
Eh. I get that is more complicated than Nvidia flops =/= AMD flops, but 6 tflops puts it around the 480, which is two tiers bellow the 1070 in real world performance.
Why would MS give their competition a full year to respond to that price point?
Astral Dog
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Jesus Christ 😡
UHD </= $15, where did you learn how much the rest of the components cost?
If you think Microsoft is going anywhere near the $499 price tag again, you are simply wishing so.
I don't think the Pro will drop $100 within a year. Even with that said, they'd be stupid to price it anything higher than $399 and they know this all too well themselves.
Normally I wouldn't think it'd drop $100 but the generation will be 4 years old by then. I doubt Sony will still be selling a console in the mid-to-high $300s
Fabtacular
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Sony wouldn't even include a UHD drive because it would increase the BOM by $15. And they increased PS+ by $10/year.
Sony isn't in grind-it-out, by-any-means-necessary mode this gen. They're in profit-taking mode.
Might you be able to find a $349 Pro next Black Friday? Maybe, but I think it's more likely you'll see them do heavy pack-ins like UC4+TLOU or Horizon Zero Dawn and maintain the $399 price.
Playstation is basically the only thing making money for Sony right now. (Maybe their mobile camera components too, but far less so.) Assuming they sell two million Pros post-E3 next year, they're not trying to give away $100m in revenue. For what? They're winning, and they're going to grab the cost-conscious market on the low-end with the Slim.
PS4 waited two years for a price drop. I don't see any reason the Pro and Slim won't follow the same path.
mcdomination
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The Scorpio comes with a gamepad at no additional cost. Does a PC?????
No, it does not. Therefore, if you want your PC to Scorpio comparisons to have parity, it needs to be added as a cost item on your PC build lists. And so does a keyboard and mouse, unless you can configure a PC with your will alone....
VincentMatts
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Only thing that worries me is that if there are no exclusive games per say on the console (other than maybe VR ones) its going to be hard to justify paying a premium price just for 4k, better performance and graphics of what essentially will be better current xbox games.
LastGamer84
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$450 for the base unit, $500 with a game.
Just spitballing.
Just spitballing.
mcdomination
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That is not the point at all. It's ELI5 time!
People love to show PC part lists that total the same dollar/pound amount as a console.
Nobody includes a gamepad or KB/M in the PC parts list.
If you want to make a fair comparison of PC to console, all the same parts need to be included.
A gamepad will cost an additional $60 to the PC part list.
KB/M needs to be included in the PC cost as well, unless you have some magical way of configuring a PC w/o them (are you a wizard?).
A console already has a gamepad included in the total cost.
El-Pistolero
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Because :
1- It is not a true next generation console, as it will ever be hindered by the Xbox One millstone. You do not charge customers as much for games that will be released accross multiples systems with only minor perceptible differences.
2- The PS Pro will have its price brought down, at least for $50 by the time the Scorpio launches.
3- The market has made it abundantly clear that $399 is the sweet spot for fast adoption.
Okami Haundo
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I'm in on Scorpio either way, but I'm really curious to see how Microsoft handles that.
I think smartphones are really the go-to example that the iterative approach can work. Every year we get new iOS/Android devices at a "premium" price, yet they use the same games and apps that the old model does.
If I had to guess, I'd say that they'll go all in on how much the Scorpio can do for graphical effects. They can show games side-by-side and really drive home that Xbox One S gets the same games and content, but with less graphical flair. Combine that with something like Oculus VR support and a reasonable price and I think they have a strong argument for why people should want Scorpio.
Electret
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I'm noticing an important point of subtlety some are missing. Indeed you can get a GPU that does 6TF for around $200. But that's in a context in which console thermal envelopes don't need to be respected. MS can't clock their GPU that high, so they will reach 6TF by stuffing more compute units (50+?) in the APU, which will increase die size. Being Vega-based could increase costs as well.
Then, of course, is the question of CPU. I'm not so convinced the GPU or memory will push them beyond $399, but Zen might.
Back-of-the-envelope calculations and estimations of Scorpio's die size from the render aren't likely to be that informative. Likewise for reading much into the 'premium' label; it's more a platitude relating to Scorpio's power as a console, when its hardware will be relatively more midrange compared to PC parts.
Then, of course, is the question of CPU. I'm not so convinced the GPU or memory will push them beyond $399, but Zen might.
Back-of-the-envelope calculations and estimations of Scorpio's die size from the render aren't likely to be that informative. Likewise for reading much into the 'premium' label; it's more a platitude relating to Scorpio's power as a console, when its hardware will be relatively more midrange compared to PC parts.
MilkyJoe
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As minor as higher resolutions and ultra settings, like between xbox one and PC?
Very good points. I doubt it stays at $399 but you've convinced me it's not a lock to drop $100
Did you not bother to read the actual chain of comments you're complaining about? Je
It's a premmium product, it says right there in the article, why the Hell are people debating if it's going to be $400? It's going to be $500, the Xbone launched at that price. And no, even if it's a year later than the PS4 Pro, it will have a a 4K BD player which also raises the price.
Exactly. There is no "they learned they can't sell it higher" factor here. This is the premium product that is being touted as the most powerful console on the market. The point of this is the power, not affordability. There's no way it will be $400.
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