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Sony: 1 in 5 PS4s sold since Pro's release are PS4 Pros
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Sony global sales chief Jim Ryan. "As with PSVR, and I suppose in forecasting these things we haven't done a very good job, the product is in desperately short supply. So that's one-in-five under severe constraint."
It's right in the first post.
Because it's much more pricey than the base PS4.
Stop liking things i dont like!
Scorpio's performance depends on it's price.
If it's as cheap as the pro, it could easily outperform it.
If it's $500 or more, it could be a disaster.
No, I still believe its all about the games no matter the price.
whatever6352
Member
That's pretty good. The number should only go up as they start meeting demand and the price drops over time.
Because some people already have a vanilla PS4?
Not a crazy idea that lil Timmy with a PS4 from 2015 doesn't have his parents upgrade him to a Pro.
In terms of sales? No, price matters a lot in this market.
panda-zebra
Banned
OléGunner;239334399 said:
Or that little Tommy's parents see a $249 amateur and a $400 pro and make the only sensible decision in those circumstances.
Same. Even if I didn't already own one I'd go for the slim. Spending like ~200 to go through the hassle of selling my console and upgrading without guarantee that I'll even notice much of a difference gets a no thanks from me. Everything I've purchased this year has worked perfectly fine.
Yes that too.
In fact this applies to many buyers overall.
Many people have to consider such purchases carefully.
Sales are what i expected and dare to say good..
People ain't going to spend more money for extra resolution machine when they have the cheaper option, outside of the GAF bubble, players don't care about that. The cheaper option will always be more attractive to customers, this happens everywhere, not just videogame consoles.
And that's fine because the Pro is a niche product, always has been.
People ain't going to spend more money for extra resolution machine when they have the cheaper option, outside of the GAF bubble, players don't care about that. The cheaper option will always be more attractive to customers, this happens everywhere, not just videogame consoles.
And that's fine because the Pro is a niche product, always has been.
If we only consider the 'number' of PS4Pro sold vs Slim or even other consoles, it may not make much sense, but as long it is viable financially and serves a purpose, like brand loyalty and presence, or just having an option for hardcores to prevent them leaving the ecosystem, then it has a purpose that with the whole pictures, makes the system viable.
It also has to be considered that is the first true attempt for a midgen refresh (not considering new 3DS).
Also Scorpio sales will give us further info on what strategy is better, more powerful compared to vanilla, pricing, waiting more.... so many variables here. Sony will also have info from PSN if the customers of Pro are previous ps4 owners or newcomers, so that is also important to know, and what games are they playing, and design the upgrade accordingly.
Interesting times ahead.
Always-honest
Banned
Start pushing that thing more. You're not giving your best effort here.
Graphics Horse
Member
For new ps4 owners it's not far off, 120k per million, the other 80k being upgrades for existing owners.
Honestly I was expecting the balance to be even heavier towards existing owners, and the quantity to be much higher overall.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
One would imagine that PS4 Pro purchases for existing PS4 owners would coincide with a 4k TV purchase, as the increase in visual fidelity is only justified by playing on a 4k set. If we assume this is true, then most existing PS4 owners would probably stagger their TV and new console purchases, meaning the Pro will see a long, steady and progressive increase sales as more and more existing PS4 owners purchase a new TV and then PS4Pro (or vice versa).
So it kinda stands to reason that the majority of new PS4Pro buyers initially will be new PS4 customers looking to buy in at the top end.
A big chunk got sold in Germany in the last crazy trade-in sale from Gamestop (me and 4 friends used that trade-in)
100 for a new PS4 Pro if you traded in an OG PS4 and two games (no matter what games). Gamestop got completely steamrolled.
Don't see the need from Sony to market it more. Informed "gamers" know that it exist.
A mother just looking for a birthday gift for her son is going to grab a cheap Slim anyway.
100 for a new PS4 Pro if you traded in an OG PS4 and two games (no matter what games). Gamestop got completely steamrolled.
Don't see the need from Sony to market it more. Informed "gamers" know that it exist.
A mother just looking for a birthday gift for her son is going to grab a cheap Slim anyway.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Sold my two year old OG one for the Pro, despite not owning a 4K TV. The upgrade cost me 150.
Would do again, because of the extra beef in games like Tomb Raider, the new two year warranty and the much lower noise level.
The 20% share is actually lower than I expected, but that was based on the original price gap of 100/$ between both SKUs. But as we all know, the Slim was basically always discounted or had decent bundles.
Would do again, because of the extra beef in games like Tomb Raider, the new two year warranty and the much lower noise level.
The 20% share is actually lower than I expected, but that was based on the original price gap of 100/$ between both SKUs. But as we all know, the Slim was basically always discounted or had decent bundles.
20% is much better than I would have expected. It further validates the concept of a mid been refresh... The demand is there
I wonder how many are new purchases vs people upgrading
Edit: people think this is low? We do all realize that price is king and the slim was obviously going to get the lion's share of sales while the pro targets a niche audience.
I wonder how many are new purchases vs people upgrading
Edit: people think this is low? We do all realize that price is king and the slim was obviously going to get the lion's share of sales while the pro targets a niche audience.
Lol the ignorance...
FrozenCell
Member
I'm disappointed that the Pro came out too weak to make 1080p60 a reality, but still went for it
Also, if they didn't have supply issues, I think they should have phased out old spec altogether
Also, if they didn't have supply issues, I think they should have phased out old spec altogether
No it could've NOT been 2 in 5 with a 4K blu-ray...1.1? Maybe, although a 10% bump seems too much...I'd go with 5%.
But then you have to think those extra ~$20 that the pro would cost would go directly into sony's profit, so they would end up losing money.That's why it wasnot included.
We know they are not selling the pro at a loss but it's close to cost, so it was not feasible.
What do you mean?
The next Playstation won't do 1080p60 either for graphically demanding games.
No, it won't sell double with a price drop.
As people is stating if you don't own a PS4 yet this late into the genaration it's because you're very price conscious, so most people will always go for the cheaper product.
A price drop with a bundle could bring the numbers up a bit, but they will also cut the price of the Slim, so it won't be much.
No, it would NOT have sold DOUBLE.
Matt from NPD already said in this same thread there's 0 evidence of that.
No they didn't.
What is this bullshit???
It's amazing how utterly clueless most of the people on this thread are...I give up
FrozenCell
Member
Pro could have replaced the original wholly, say if it also came with a 500GB 299€ version
GPU computation and filtering capability was more than doubled, just the slightly upclocked CPU can't keep upOléGunner;239342994 said:
But you are likely right since there will be still devs out there who would prioritize some eye candy over gameplay
I've been thinking about this and I'm sure this number will be higher on the Xbox...at least 50% higher.
I see the Scorpio as a much nicher product than the pro, so most sells will be the hardcore base upgrading. But we'll have a much better base for predictions after E3 (price, games etc)
Sorry but that makes no sense.
For one, the diference between a 500Gb and 1Tb hdd is not $100.
Secondly, they did replaced the original wholly, with a 299 version...it's called the Slim?
Cthuluhoop
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It seems that the internet is excited for Scorpio. Not just here but on Reddit etc people just seem more and more excited each day. But then again so the the PS4 Pro crowd including myself.
I think it's going to be hard to judge but I honestly think that the PS4 Pro has helped to sell the Scorpio to the masses. After seeing what the Pro could do in regards to CB4k and HDR, those fans seem even more excited due to their console being more powerful. So yeah I think Scorpio will sell more.
Makes you wonder whether Sony will announce the PS5 and PS5 Pro at the same time? PS5 for $349 and PS5 Pro for $499. Doubt it though as it kind of defeats the point.
Secret Owl
Neo Member
Even if that's a good ratio, it kinda confirms that making meaningful use of the extra power will continue to not be a priority.
Unless something changes, I'll hold out for PS5 (or whatever the equivalent upgrade is called.)
Unless something changes, I'll hold out for PS5 (or whatever the equivalent upgrade is called.)
If by outperform you mean sell more units than the Pro, that won't happen.
If you mean sell more units than the Pro during the holidays in the US, that may happen.
If you mean sell a higher % Pro will sell with respect to both slim versions (i.e. >20%), I think that's a given.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
I think that's kinda the whole point of these mid-gen refreshes in the first place, i.e. better IQ and sometimes performance for a premium, but essentially the same games.
I'm unconvinced Scorpio will change that either. There's no impetus for devs/publishers to invest in creating higher fidelity assets for mid-gen update platforms.
From, Sony and MS's perspective, there's little benefit to giving you too much of a increase in game fidelity outside of IQ and framerate, because any more meaningful enhancements would de-value the eventual performance jump of an inevitable PS5/XBTwo.
I was not saying it will sell more...it won't!
What I was saying is that the % of people who will buy the scorpio that will be upgrading from the OG Xbox will be higher thant the equivalent % on the Pro.
So if 40% of Pro owners are people who upgraded, I expect that number to be at least 50% higher on Xbox, that is, 60%.
Most of the people excited for Scorpio are Xbox owners.
FrozenCell
Member
I disagree with the storage comment because Apple has long proved that 100 could be charged for much much less
Of course Sony didn't go all Pro and now we know that the Pro supply chain couldn't have supported this, even if imho it would have made sense
You must be living in fantasy land because nothing you have said matches the reality of the situation.
That person thinking in gen, mid gen upgrades is anti consumer ....says alot ...lol.
It was out of stock on Amazon almost everytime I wanted to impulse buy it with my Amazon giftcard balance.
I don't know locally, but it was out of stock on Amazon for quite a bit.
Shin
Banned
Majority are still on 1080p TV's, we're in a transition right now where 4K is gaining more and more traction.
In that sense PS4P doesn't offer that much more to the vast majority of consumers whom are cautious? about price.
Plus we're closer to the next generation as well so yeah...
I didn't know Apple made consoles.
Plus you have it backwards ffs,that would work if u had a $299 500gb pro and wanted to do a $399 1Tb, but not it you have a $399 1TB and want to make a $299 one...I know math is hard but come on, don't make me break it down for you