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Sony FY12: $400M Net Income; PS3/PS2 16.5M; Vita/PSP 5M forecast
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zomgbbqftw
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Yes, Vita shipments, behind PSP.
Anyway, if we can get a question I've requested that our guy ask the COO for a breakdown of PS3 and Vita sales and ask why they are obfuscating current gen sales with last gen products.
pieatorium
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They're hiding the Vita numbers, it would look extra suspect if the were only combining handheld stuff so they combine the console aswell to make it look less dubious.
Baconsammy
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Hiding? No. Obscuring? Yes. And that shitty Vita forecast pretty much guarantees they have no PS4+Vita plan, otherwise they'd be more bullish on its future. Not sure why anyone other than Sony would develop for it at this point. Dead man walking.
Can't they hide Vita behind PSP though? Why add the two home consoles?
You underestimate the power of hope. It ain't over till the fat lady sings. Or Sony officially discontinue the device. Whichever comes first.
electroplankton
Banned
To me, this seems more than a declaration. 5 million PSP+Vita is freaking terrible, considering PSP is still selling some units in Europe.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Otherwise it would be blatantly obvious that they are hiding Vita sales from the public. This way it just seems like it's the normal thing to do, lump all home console and portable hardware together.
From what I know, Sony's justification is that Apple don't break down iPhone and iPad shipment into the different types and for them home consoles and portable consoles are the two main products of the game division with the individual products not needing further breaking down.
pieatorium
Member
they are hiding vita behind psp?
That is the reason why they are also adding consoles together.
eh, i dunno. we've seen some crazy turnarounds in this industry before. i think we'll have to let the ps4 be about a year old before we know the real fate of the vita. sony heavily marketed its ability to connect with consoles from the onset. they also released it at a very weird time.
The Vita? Isn't it obvious?
Honestly, when you put it to the perspective, Sony is better off focusing on Mobile than Vita. Xperia Z sold around 4.6 million in 40 days, i.e. about the same as the Vita so far, and that product has a much higher margin. Now, of course, Sony won't be getting much software sales from the Z and will need to release another successor to it to keep the sales coming in but it does demonstrate a very good point.
software software software. Compelling software that ignites the mainstream.
Its better than them expecting 16 million like last FY. I don't see the Vita+PSP meeting this goal at all and it'll probably end up getting slashed to around half of where it is now.
Oh come on Z, you know investors don't give a shit about single product sku's under performing, so the question will be ignored. That is why they are lumped together to begin with.
So in 3 years it takes Sony to sell 11 million Vitas, that's really bad and I don't think that crossover will help sales that much tbh. So vita will in the end sell worse or on par with GC :|
Baconsammy
Banned
Their forecast already says it all. They've got nothing planned that they think will ignite sales.
Canis lupus
Member
Q4 FY11
PS3 1.9M
PS2 0.6M
Q4 FY12
PS2+PS3 3.4M
Up YOY by 0.9M, what happened here?
PS3 1.9M
PS2 0.6M
Q4 FY12
PS2+PS3 3.4M
Up YOY by 0.9M, what happened here?
electroplankton
Banned
In a bigger market, and coming from a platform that sold more than 70 million units. Incredible.
Metalmurphy
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How are they still shipping PS2s? Didn't production end like 2 quarters ago?
Also the only way the Vita can be saved at this point is if they bundle it with the PS4
Also the only way the Vita can be saved at this point is if they bundle it with the PS4
Which platform has ever recovered from abysmal sales, absolutekly zero relevant third party support and barely any first party support (not that Sony could really do much they just don´t have any handheld IPs)?
And the console "handheld" connection is absolutely uninteresting for most customers as you could see with the PS3/Vita/PSP and also the WiiU. That´s not going to change with the PS4.
Not for this year fiscal year..yeah. I mean I doubt we will get many more titles announced to be released for this year. It's the next years line up I'm curious about.
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Yeah I agree. I mean this is the difference between Sony and Nintendo. With Nintendo it's all about games but for Sony it's just one slice of a much larger pie. As long as investors don't feel it's affecting the bottom line too much they won't care about it..and don't think I heard anyone asking about it last time sony did this either
Canis lupus
Member
I guess those discontinuation messages were not official, or they're selling the last stock. Either way, PS3 is super popular, if you factor in the natural decline of ps2 that would leave ps3 with +-3M units shipped.
Just lol at Vita, 5M? And thats combined with PSP too.
nhlducks35
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PS3 never sold this shitty, was $600, and had upcoming 3rd party support.
It's hilarious how many of the Vita statements can be so directly comparable to Wii U, I sometimes lose track whether I'm in a Sony or Nintendo thread.
The PS3 had full third party support from the get go and wasn´t anywhere close to the Vita numbers even at 600 bucks. First Party support took a while but there was never a doubt about Sony going all in with the PS3.
KillerMan91
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So for the year PS3 shipped more software than all Nintendo platforms combined. How the tables have turned.
zomgbbqftw
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Emerging markets. Dat distribution network. :O
Unknown Soldier
Member
Well, that's easy. The companies which make flagship smartphones release a new one every year. There's a successor coming every year for the Xperia line!
Oh aye, it's certainly an admission of the products weakness.
Aquamarine
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For FY13 FCT, Sony expects 10.3% on net sales, and company-wide (0%) on operating income, with IP&S, MP&C, HE&S as growth areas for the upcoming fiscal year. At the very least, they're predicting an upward trend regarding electronics, with "high value-added" products as this year's buzz word.
While I'm skeptical on how successful Sony's plan will be in the next 12 months with electronics, "doomed" isn't even close to the correct terminology for projected company performance, especially as Game + Financial Services sector expansion have definite potential.
Sony can easily afford to do so.
Vita phone
Give the platform a new lease on life.
It, or something like it, is the only optimistic read of the forecast.
It's low, so it does suggest they don't see anything coming to ignite the platform. Unless Vita will be sold through other hardware in the future, which would render standalone Vita sales less significant.
Dunno what their plans are though. Andrew House had slightly cryptic comments about plans to be announced 'later this year' at the Feb meeting about leveraging the Vita chipset and OS, in a living room context...whatever that means.
usually the way of things has been that through a first couple of years, a fanbase builds very slowly. this was actually true of the 360 and ps3. by the time the system is affordable for the mass market, the install base is high enough that bigger games can make the sales they need to make a profit.
the sega genesis came out to a lukewarm response at best. sega made serious inroads in the western market when sonic the hedgehog came out, by bundling it with the system (replacing altered beast), slashing the price, and rolling out a heavy marketing campaign. it was kinda-sorta against what the japanese branch wanted, but it worked out beautifully for them.
the original playstation also wasn't a smash hit. it had no problem beating the saturn when it was the only competition for two years, but the n64 was expected to crush it. but again, after two years, the system had a price drop, the right software, and the right marketing, and a decent install base where it could continue to get big third party games.
things are different now in the handheld gaming market, but there's no rule that says sony can't make the next big thing on the vita if they wanted. who expected brain age to sell 14 million units when it debuted with 40,000 in first-week sales in 2005?
i think it's less about the ps vita being the extra controller or whatever, and more about it perhaps receiving software due to its relation to the ps4. if it's bigger franchise titles, it could be the kick in the pants it needs to stay steady for the next couple years and land with a respectable lifetime sales of about 30m units or so.
I just noticed that the DS moved more software than the Vita and PSP combined...
That's kinda expected.
That's kinda expected.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Why? Wii has an installed base higher than PS3 and they have a new console out, plus 3DS is going pretty well. It's unforgivable that Nintendo allowed Wii software to tank this hard so soon after they released Wii U. I find it highly unlikely that Sony will allow the same to happen for PS3.
It probably will.
Crimsonlink
Member
1,503 million SW units sold over the PS2's lifetime..... WHAT A MONSTER!
electroplankton
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Pokémon?
Nintendo also showed that Diamond / Pearl, HeartGold / SoulSilver and Black / White sold combined 1 million units last fiscal year.
1st Course
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metalslimer
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So if everything reverses course, and somehow magically big titles start appearing on Vita everything could change. Well I guess we should just wait for that one big title to spark the 360 plug in Japan since anything is possible. Vita's max right now is at best 20 million or so and that's assuming the platform has a full lifespan and can carve a niche in Japan long enough to sell over 5 million there.
To be fair in the last quarter in the UK DS software outsold PSP, Vita, and 3DS software (standalone, not combined). DS was and still is a beast. Many shops here in Ireland still have a DS section with a few 3DS games thrown in.
if they have software for this year(i think they will have) it will continue seeling.
it wont get discontinued,especially if after a while they do price drop.
there are places it sells more than the wiiu ffs!
it just wont be their biggest product in gaming
(smartphones are going up however)