The Bankslammer
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to be fair, snake was also in the bolded, in addition to to MGS ghost babel for GBC and twin snakes for GCN... and maybe more idk
in my perfect world we'd have both snake and simon though
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to be fair, snake was also in the bolded, in addition to to MGS ghost babel for GBC and twin snakes for GCN... and maybe more idk
in my perfect world we'd have both snake and simon though
Shadow Hog
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He was the main playable character in Castlevania: Lords of Shadow: Mirror of Fate for the 3DS last year, 2013. Admittedly, it was a side-game to the main Lords of Shadow series (and kind of garbage, from what I recall), but there you go.
Also, he was featured pretty prominently in Castlevania: Judgment in 2008, being on the box-art and such. Also pretty awful.
Then again, I'm not sure quality is the metric with which to judge this, since I've seen arguments that 2004's Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes and 2012's Metal Gear Solid 3D: Snake Eater are pretty awful in various ways. (I didn't really mind Twin Snakes, but didn't play MGS3D.)
Also, I'm deliberately omitting Smash Bros. from this; I wanted to see how relevant to their respective franchises and/or Nintendo each character is on their own merits.
Red Arremer
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to be fair, snake was also in the bolded, in addition to to MGS ghost babel for GBC and twin snakes for GCN... and maybe more idk
in my perfect world we'd have both snake and simon though
Yeah, I actually remembered that after the fact. I'll edit it in.
Waluigilicious
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Who else is even more happy that Pac-Man is in than they thought they'd be? I've even entered this mini Pac-Man hype mode where I'm playing his games.
Nocturnowl
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The game jumps around various points in time with three playable characters, Simon, Alucard and as you mentioned Trevor.
If I could have a Belmont in Smash it'd be my man Trevor.
I don't. And I love Advance Wars. Although if it had to happen, giving his moveset to an AW guy would be optimal.
Also for the other guy listing Snake's games...
Twin Snakes (exclusive)
Ghost Babel GBC (type of exclusive.)
He's in 6. Three less than the almighty Nintendo mascot Simon Belmont. And the point was to show regardless of apperances, that over the years he's technically more associated with Nintendo than Simon.
Within the past 6 years he's appeared exclusively in a huge Nintendo blockbuster, and supported a brand new Nintendo system at launch. Simon has just been...Simon-in around...for a long time now.
Even though this entire discussion is kind of irrelevant because Sakurai proved by putting Snake in Brawl he does what the fuck he wants, when he wants regardless.
And there's the whole, MG has been developed similarly to a Nintendo series over the years and is still very important and relevant today like them. Which is why Snake, against all odds, ended up fitting in so well. Because he belonged there. But that's another conversation.
And I told myself I wouldn't. Now look at what've done. I'm supposed to be eating right now...
FUNKNOWN iXi
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wut. the. hell? You can't be serious.
This is exactly my main fear with having both versions, that they'll only truly feel like a league above Brawl if both are counted as one, as opposed to each of them feeling like meaty, true steps forward in the series in their own individual rights.
Already I'm starting to notice a pattern where the 3DS stages are more innovative with their features, whereas most U stages play it much safer, so far at least. I'm also a bit irked with some of the decisions regarding them...The 3DS gets THE iconic Pac-Man stage, while the U version, on the big screen, gets something based off the much less important/known Pac-Man Land? Balloon Fight, based off a console game, is exclusive to the portable version? I don't know. If they release a DLC package where you can buy the other's versions stages, I'm buying that in a heartbeat.
MillionVolts
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The Devoted in all its 40 second glory.
I'm curious as to what the Arena Ferox music is. There any direct audio footage of that stage yet?
I'm assuming you're talking about the shine KO?
It's incredibly hard to do (like, seriously) and if the marth was more on the ball he wouldn't have died to it anyway.
Red Arremer
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So, moving away from the huge Nintendo all-star Snake (seriously, he's so close to Nintendo, Konami should give the series to them) and the guy who doesn't have any importance to Nintendo whatsoever (Simon Belmont), Square-enix was brought up in the SmashGAF IRC, and with the introduction of the customizable movesets of the Mii Fighter and Palutena, I've had an idea.
The only 2 series from Square-enix that are truly popular are Dragon Quest and of course Final Fantasy - the latter more so globally, while DQ is significantly bigger in Japan than the rest of the world.
Final Fantasy is a series in which every game is its own contained story and world. So, I believe that picking a single characters from one of those games would not do the franchise any justice. There are a lot of elements that tie them together aside from the name, such as several mechanics, species (Chocobos, Moogles, etc.) and of course the class archetypes.
My suggestion was to make a character loosely based on Final Fantasy 1. It could either be a human (you could name it the Warrior of Light, based on the Dissidia Final Fantasy incarnation of the FF1 characters), or a Moogle/Chocobo. Then add to it the most iconic jobs of the franchise, and based on which job you give your WoL/Moogle/Chocobo, we would have a different moveset. It could be involving Fighter/Knight, Black Mage, White Mage and Ninja (cause I feel it would offer more variety than Thief), perhaps even Black Belt/Monk or some of the other less known classes (tho I feel like the Red Mage wouldn't offer enough deviation from the other 2 mages), and you'd be good to go.
Final Smash could be summoning Shiva, Ifrit or Bahamut or something, idk.
In any case, I feel like that would probably the best solution to represent Final Fantasy, if it ever were to happen. I always felt that picking a single character from a specific game or a single class (since Black Mage was often suggested) goes against the whole variety aspect of the franchise, especially those games that allow you customizing your characters, which is a mechanic that spans across most of the series.
I haven't played enough Dragon Quest games to give any insight in that, though.
The only 2 series from Square-enix that are truly popular are Dragon Quest and of course Final Fantasy - the latter more so globally, while DQ is significantly bigger in Japan than the rest of the world.
Final Fantasy is a series in which every game is its own contained story and world. So, I believe that picking a single characters from one of those games would not do the franchise any justice. There are a lot of elements that tie them together aside from the name, such as several mechanics, species (Chocobos, Moogles, etc.) and of course the class archetypes.
My suggestion was to make a character loosely based on Final Fantasy 1. It could either be a human (you could name it the Warrior of Light, based on the Dissidia Final Fantasy incarnation of the FF1 characters), or a Moogle/Chocobo. Then add to it the most iconic jobs of the franchise, and based on which job you give your WoL/Moogle/Chocobo, we would have a different moveset. It could be involving Fighter/Knight, Black Mage, White Mage and Ninja (cause I feel it would offer more variety than Thief), perhaps even Black Belt/Monk or some of the other less known classes (tho I feel like the Red Mage wouldn't offer enough deviation from the other 2 mages), and you'd be good to go.
Final Smash could be summoning Shiva, Ifrit or Bahamut or something, idk.
In any case, I feel like that would probably the best solution to represent Final Fantasy, if it ever were to happen. I always felt that picking a single character from a specific game or a single class (since Black Mage was often suggested) goes against the whole variety aspect of the franchise, especially those games that allow you customizing your characters, which is a mechanic that spans across most of the series.
I haven't played enough Dragon Quest games to give any insight in that, though.
I'd say Dragon Quest in closer to Nintendo than Final Fantasy seeing as Nintendo published the Dragon Quest games over here and there has actually been a proper Mario and Dragon Quest crossover with Fortune Street (Final Fantasy characters appeared in Mario Hoops and Sports Mix but technically those were cameos).
Yeah, I liked his design there.
Though looking at megaman/pacman I would think they'd stick to a retro look if this would happen.
MrSaturn99
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Id ~Purpose~ ;D
Definitely what I said, but whatever. Be butthurt.
And I'd think a Dragon's Quest rep would be nice, and Nintendo's already crossed over with them before in Foutune Street, so it's not that out of the question. And since it's popularity is mainly in Japan, they could be this game's Marth in a way.
That being said, I know little to nothing about the series, so I have no idea who it would be or what those possibilities are. I hope to at least see some trophies though. I don't think Final Fantasy will get a rep anytime soon, but if it did I'd think Black Mage would be a good overall fit.
Red Arremer
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DQ's Slime also was in Sports Mix I believe.
I see both franchises having about equal chances of making it into Smash if there was a decision between either. However, I wouldn't be opposed to both happening, heh. I just thought that the Mii Fighter's customizable moveset was very reminiscent of the job system in various FF games, and I thought it would be a much cooler inclusion to have a character like I suggested as opposed to just a generic Black Mage, or a generic Chocobo, or a specific character like Cloud, Cecil, Lightning or whomever.
MrSaturn99
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Vs
Clipping aside, I like how the goggles slide.
What am I seeing/supposed to see here?
Indeed. So cool. Love all these little details.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Make it easier for all Snake Lovers, If you really want to support Snake in Smash then get on Twitter and tweet to Sakurai, Nintendo, Nintendo of America, Kojima and Konami to request Snake to be back. #BringSnakeBackSSB4
I'm very pleased with Pac Man's moveset because there is a lot of arcade love there! Yeah, I grew up during arcade era mainly.
I'm very pleased with Pac Man's moveset because there is a lot of arcade love there! Yeah, I grew up during arcade era mainly.
I think that was the shine right? Does it get I-frames now?
IntelliHeath
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Yep, but there should be one with Green headband/bandana as well. Pikachu look so adorable.
Thank you, that's awesome!
MrSaturn99
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georly, the Inkay link is set to the Kyogre one.
(what does he actually do? I saw him flip around once and that was it lol)
(what does he actually do? I saw him flip around once and that was it lol)
I would totally be down for that, although it's a bit too late to bring him back if he's out now though.
I honestly have considered getting a group of fans together all tweeting Kojima (possibly Sakurai too) pleasantly asking if he's in. We could use that hastag. Hopefully if enough people sent it in mass, he might at least address it.......anybody down?
That's the worst part. If he's out, I just wanna know. Seems really weird that they haven't even as much as addressed a character that is as notable as him. Although I think he's still in, which might be why.
Also yeh, Pac-Man's moveset looks fucking awesome.
Like, seriously, that tech fox is using is called multishining
He uses his reflector, then 3 frames after he jumps, 3 frames after that he shines again, another 4 frames and he jumps and another shine 3 frames after. He then repeats this sequence another what looks like 9 times for a total of 12 shines.
He basically pressed BDown and then jump, frame perfectly, 12 times, in the space of about 3-4 seconds.
That's fucking insane
I think the marth dies so easily just because he doesn't know what the fuck just happened.
He uses his reflector, then 3 frames after he jumps, 3 frames after that he shines again, another 4 frames and he jumps and another shine 3 frames after. He then repeats this sequence another what looks like 9 times for a total of 12 shines.
He basically pressed BDown and then jump, frame perfectly, 12 times, in the space of about 3-4 seconds.
That's fucking insane
I've probably misunderstood something somewhere because I don't even touch fox because I am way too slow to do any of that
I think the marth dies so easily just because he doesn't know what the fuck just happened.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's not even too late for DLC characters.
I think the gif was supposed to showcase just how little you can do with sm4sh fox's shine compared to melee.
All fox does in that gif is shield drop through the platform into a laggy non-cancellable shine and then toon link floats towards him and he links an utilt into a ftilt but then can't do a followup because of the lag from his ftilt.
Might not even be a shield drop actually, I think he just straight up drops through the platform.
Red Arremer
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Kojima already said it's unlikely Snake will be in Smash 4, unless he's been kept in the dark about it. But I don't think Konami would make a deal with Nintendo without Kojima's knowledge either, so it's pretty sure Snake is out.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
georly, the Inkay link is set to the Kyogre one.
(what does he actually do? I saw him flip around once and that was it lol)
Inkay = POW (items)
From what I heard, he is causing trips or so. If you stand on ground when Inkay hit the ground then you would be more likely to tripped.
What do you think he can just say "Yeah Snake's in there!"? Something very similar with Sonic happened before he was announced to return.
He didn't say yes or no, along with the fact that Kojima loves his trolling, (Moby Dick Studios did an interview...seriously), and other things, (Sakurai saying think of Megaman as a special case yet we get Pac-man, ect) those comments litteraly mean nothing. Also, he's grinning ear to ear the second the question is brought up and throughout his answer.
Even though we probably wouldn't get anything better by hitting his twitter, but we could possibly get more context. And if he isn't under an NDA (which I doubt, even if Snake isn't returning) we could possibly get a straight no.
SoldnerKei
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but it's kojima, if someone trolls better than sakurai it's him
anyway I don't expect to see Snake in this game, we have plenty of third party rep's thou
Yep. I just really wish Yellow Devil spawned less frequently
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
List of Pokeball Pokemon being confirmed or not
Pokeball Pokemon
New Pokemon
Abomasnow
Arceus
Chespin
Darkrai
Dedenne
Eevee
Fennekin
Fletchling
Genesect
Giratina
Gogoat
Inkay
Keldeo
Kyurem
Meloetta
Oshawott
Palkia
Snivy
Spewpa
Victini
Xerneas
Returning Pokemon
Bellossom
Deoxys
Electrode
Entei
Gardevoir
Goldeen
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Meowth
Metagross
Mew
Moltres
Snorlax
Staryu
Suicune
Togepi
Pokemon appeared in CGI
Swirlix
Zoroark
Unconfirmed Pokemon
Bonsly
Celebi
Chikorita
Groudon
Gulpin
Ho-oh
Jirachi
Manaphy
Munchlax
Piplup
Torchic
Weavile
Wobbuffet
Pokeball Pokemon
New Pokemon
Abomasnow
Arceus
Chespin
Darkrai
Dedenne
Eevee
Fennekin
Fletchling
Genesect
Giratina
Gogoat
Inkay
Keldeo
Kyurem
Meloetta
Oshawott
Palkia
Snivy
Spewpa
Victini
Xerneas
Returning Pokemon
Bellossom
Deoxys
Electrode
Entei
Gardevoir
Goldeen
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Meowth
Metagross
Mew
Moltres
Snorlax
Staryu
Suicune
Togepi
Pokemon appeared in CGI
Swirlix
Zoroark
Unconfirmed Pokemon
Bonsly
Celebi
Chikorita
Groudon
Gulpin
Ho-oh
Jirachi
Manaphy
Munchlax
Piplup
Torchic
Weavile
Wobbuffet
Aaronrules380
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Pretty sure Moltres appeared during the invitational
I don't like that a lot of the specials are so laggy as well.
No arrow or missile cancelling, no shine cancelling, it's like they're just begging you not to use your moves.
I can sort off understand with the shine because they want to not have stuff like multishining or waveshining but then why not just make it so you can do it quick enough to perform techniques like that?
They've turned good tools into incredibly situational minor annoyances.
I'm actually surprised they didn't make samus, toon link and links ZAirs non-cancellable just to screw them over even more.
Maybe less damage but cancellable will be a customisation.
It did.
No arrow or missile cancelling, no shine cancelling, it's like they're just begging you not to use your moves.
I can sort off understand with the shine because they want to not have stuff like multishining or waveshining but then why not just make it so you can do it quick enough to perform techniques like that?
They've turned good tools into incredibly situational minor annoyances.
I'm actually surprised they didn't make samus, toon link and links ZAirs non-cancellable just to screw them over even more.
Maybe less damage but cancellable will be a customisation.
It did.
georly, the Inkay link is set to the Kyogre one.
(what does he actually do? I saw him flip around once and that was it lol)
Fixed. He does a universal trip. Trips anyone touching the ground when he headbutts the ground. Kinda like POW block but for tripping.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
thought that I already moved it to confirmed returning pokemon. My bad.
Kor of Memory
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After my heart, I see.
JB-the-Hunter
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The truth is hard to accept it seems. I can name numerous 3rd party characters more important to the industry than Simon Belmont.
If were just talking about Konami, Simon is, at best, the second most important character to them. Snake IS Konami in the same way Sonic is Sega.
It's not about how important a character is to Nintendo, it's about how important they are to the video game industry or pop culture in general. Sonic didn't make it in to Brawl because he was of any significance to Nintendo, and neither did Snake, they made it in because they're a huge deal. If we're using the logic that a third party character needs to be connected to Nintendo, then I can think of lots of characters more worthy than some of the third parties that have been in Smash.
Don't know if this has been posted yet or if anyone cares but here's the MLG Anaheim friday schedule:
Also crew battle and AMSA hype.
Is it bad that I get pleasure out of seeing zero facing mango, armada and hbox because I know he's going to lose? I haven't watched brawl in so long that I forgot how much I hated stalling and seeing him do it at the invitational brought it all back.
Also crew battle and AMSA hype.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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What makes it lame?
Red Arremer
Member
No. Snake made it in because Kojima asked Sakurai to add Snake during Melee's development.
Diddy Kong
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If we needed a Namco character Pacman definitely had to be it. They used my favorite design of him and that trailer was amazing (especially the end, hits the heart man). Can't stop watching it. I'm very pleased with his inclusion. I might get Pac Land on the Wii U VC.
Shadow Hog
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The hell are you on about? This is the post I responded to:
Which is wrong in several regards:
- Most Castlevanias feature a Belmont or somebody who plays like one
- Of those, Simon holds a larger share than any other
- Your "Snake" isn't even one singular character, which you yourself admitted:
...so I called you out on it.
And yet now, you're on about the industry at large? Quit moving the goalposts.
Also:
Literally every thing in this is wrong. This is a Nintendo All-Star crossover, first-and-foremost. Sonic made it into Brawl because of his fierce, real-life rivalry with Mario as the mascot one of Nintendo's biggest rival companies, and wouldn't have even been up for consideration if Sega hadn't gone third-party. And as Red Arremer said, Snake isn't in purely because "he's iconic", he's in because Kojima is close friends with Sakurai wanted to play Smash Bros. with his kid as Solid Snake, and Metal Gear had a tenuous enough connection to Nintendo to justify it.
Do it. Seriously, best way to find out is to just spam his Twitter account. He actually reacts way more sensitively to anything he says there than just about any source.
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