Now they just need the people on the art direction, just for consistency and some of the ones in developing the gameplay and the people in charge of the netcode and its golden
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Microsoft: Killer Instinct to continue; will announce "new development partner" soon
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GoofsterStud
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Don't forget sound. KI had amazing sound and music direction that added a lot to my experience.
.la1n
Member
Absolutely not. If there is anyone on that team that has needed replacing it's the creative director(s), and texture / model artist.
...unless they're allowed to use the HEXengine specifically for KI 2013.
Meh... now we're just talking in circles.
It would be cool if they could get Kev Bayliss to design some of the characters in season 2.
Well an example where MS published a sequel made by a different dev, would be Crackdown 2. It was developed on the same engine as the first game despite being made by a different company. I've no idea if they owned they rights to the engine or if it was a licencing agreement. I've a question for you. Can you name one example where a third party developed sequel of an MS IP used a different engine when switching devs?
I think MS ties up a continuing licencing agreement for any engine being used with their IP, it's just common sense. You are not providing any evidence to suggest this would not be the case.
family_guy
Member
I remember Sony saying something similar about PS All Stars and haven't seen anything since.
Sure texture/model needs some work but the art in itself needs to stay
.la1n
Member
Which is why I did not say anything about concept artist.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Actually the free character rotates now, so it's $0 for all characters essentially
GoofsterStud
Member
Crackdown used renderware which was one of the dominant contracted out multiplatform engines at the time. So they lisenced the engine and used the same assets. I believe it was owned by EA at the time of Crackdown 2. Granted that was a while back, so it might have still been owned by Cannon.
Is hyperbole your second name? The IP was revived, no reason why they cant shop around and find gold again.
I personally would love for the core DH guys to be absorbed into Rare and remind them of their heritage, but this is me living in fantasy land.
Impeccable
Member
I'm completely baffled by giving the game away after they've seemingly done so well with the franchise. Seems like a big error.
I still don't get what makes you so sure that MS didn't have a clause in the contract, that if DH was unable to continue devlopment, they would be able to use/modify any and all code in respect to continuing devlopment of the KI franchise. You seem adamant that this clause does not exist, but share no evidence as to why. Would seem a common sense clause for MS to cover this type of eventuality and I don't see why DH would have wanted to or been in a position to refuse it, when negotiating the contract.
GoofsterStud
Member
You have 0 evidence and 0 precedence on your side...believe what you want. I guess DH didn't value their own engine and just gave it away, and the announcement that Amazon also owns the rights to the engine of KI and Strider means nothing.
Again you give no evidence to back up your absolute assertion. Show me the reciepts or reign it in. Amazon can own the engine, even while MS has a licence for future use. They are not mutually exclusive.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Usually when 3rd party devs make games, these things aren't allowed and are written into the contract to prevent bidding wars on individuals.
GoofsterStud
Member
The fact that they are looking for a new developer basically screams starting from scratch. The Helix engine isn't designed to be open and easy to use for all developers, support isn't made for other developers, and the documentation will be for internal use only. They would be better off making a sequel from scratch.
Brainiac 8
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The question: Will MS allow Rare to work on their own property now?
Obviously not, but it would have been nice.
Obviously not, but it would have been nice.
Your assuming Amazon just last night decided "We'll now buy Double Helix". Double Helix would of been approached months ago if anything. Then DH would of had to inform Capcom as well as MS.
We don't anything about the deal we don't know what MS plans are going forward.
Not sure about that, MS aren't dumb they would have has this all sorted before development even began. Documentation, MS own programmers etc would have been on hand to understand whats going on if not that, the eventual new team would be at DH handing the transition. This was a dream job for DH, they recieved respect for thier work and have been noticed because of it, they wont burn bridges over circumstances they themselves actioned.
Kinectic 2.0?
They built the first 1 didn't they? I can't remember.
FYI Midway(aka Netherrealm) were responsible for the custom arcade hardware of the first two Killer Instincts!!
Just saying.......
A lot of studios these days have their own game engines.....It also saves M$ money on having to license another 3rd Party engine (Unreal/Cryengine etc..) MS could not have foreseen a developer with a shitty record over the last decade being bought out by Amazon!!
QUOTE=Aaron;99806765]Just have Namco do it.[/QUOTE]
They got their hands full with Smash Bros. More importantly.....we are still waiting them to finish and release Tekken Vs Street Fighter!!
Nintendo owned the minority (49%) share of Rare.....how can they outright own 100% of Rare's IP's?
Apart from Ken Lobb and Robin Beanland(original composer) the other original Rare KI devs are long gone.....that's why DH were brought in to do the game.
If MS already locked DH in a contract for the upcoming seasons...by law, Amazon must honor all previous contracts DH made before they bought them. We don't know exactly what " locked" deals MS made with DH. There's a possibility MS waited to see how Season 1 turned out before making a commitment future seasons. If that's the case, KI fans have legitimate reasons to be worried.
That's not entirely true, DH brought in devs/programmers that had experience in fighting games to make KI. These guys weren't around for those forgettable games we associate DH with.
We aren't sure if the clause you're talking about does exist, we are all speculating here.
Now would be a good time for either Penello, Nelson or Spencer to come out and clear up this shit.
Just hope we don't get another "Activision Vs. Infinity Ward" fiasco. We don't know if those guys signed long term binding contracts or not.
shiftplusone
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giving it to Rare would be the WORST thing they could do after Double Helix made the one good Killer Instinct game
would kill all momentum for the series they have right now
Went to sleep last night thinking everything was ok with KI, now I'm really worried. :[
I'm hoping against hope MS managed to keep at least a few integral members of DH's KI team and forms a small KI team within Rare. That along with MS KI team would have a great chance of keeping the game going strong. At least Mick Gordon doesn't work for DH so I see no reason why he'd leave.
TBH I havnt been completely satisfied with some of the art and graphical work in the game so it may not be a bad thing to have some new blood work on the visuals. Spinal and Fulgore look amazing but some of the classic costumes and accessories were pretty bad. Just have to wait and see wtf comes out of this.
I'm hoping against hope MS managed to keep at least a few integral members of DH's KI team and forms a small KI team within Rare. That along with MS KI team would have a great chance of keeping the game going strong. At least Mick Gordon doesn't work for DH so I see no reason why he'd leave.
TBH I havnt been completely satisfied with some of the art and graphical work in the game so it may not be a bad thing to have some new blood work on the visuals. Spinal and Fulgore look amazing but some of the classic costumes and accessories were pretty bad. Just have to wait and see wtf comes out of this.
CassidyIzABeast
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Based on 343i and Black Tusk, Microsoft continuing a franchise after the original developer is out of the picture feels like standard procedure.
Pharaoh 117
Member
Well, that's why you invest in first party studios MS, to avoid shit like that.
Good God no!
GoofsterStud
Member
343i new engine.
Black Tusk will either pay or have paid for the unreal engine or use a new engine.
Anyways this is getting old.
Microsoft actually acquired bungie at one time.
viewtiful_dru
Member
LITERAL Combo Breaker.
sixteen-bit
Member
What's Rare working on?
PlayStationboy
Banned
Damn, I loved the passion Double Helix was putting into the series, they really knew what they were doing. Now I'm very worried about the series. Is the entire KI team going? Who's staying?
Edit - Never mind, already answered
Edit - Never mind, already answered
343i used a modified version of Bungie's Halo-engine when they made Halo 4.
Kinect Sports Rivals.
grap3fruitman
Banned
Team Ninja. All hope is lost as they try and humanize a werewolf.
What really shits me is when MS bought Rare in 2002...the only Rare devs still around from the Nintendo days that went over to MS were the KI devs.
No one can expect these guys to stick around 11 years before the suits at MS get it their shit together.
GoofsterStud
Member
Microsoft acquired Bungie, and owned the engine in the process. Like Amazon acquired Double Helix.
I commented on your comment about 343 using a new engine. Nothing more.
GoofsterStud
Member
Yeah it's bed time.I commented on your comment about 343 using a new engine. Nothing more.
Karsticles
Member
It will be such a mess. You can't just jump into a game like this.
silver.tongue
Member
Have you seen their track record?
KI might be the first and ONLY project that they made that is actually above average.
The rest is all mediocre.
MS made the wise choice here.
I highly doubt Amazon is too interested in a fighting game engine heavily optimized for the xb1.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I wasn't saying that as a knock against them. That's just their approach to second party development now.
Wishmaster92
Member
Good to know the series will continue. Good job MS.