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Lol, scary shit
by the way, which movie this from?
Black Snake Moan.
Lol, scary shit
by the way, which movie this from?
Real issue was the lack of option entirely for sure
That being said it was a great feature for some
I am a collector and the idea of install discs is the reason I don't collect for PC games
Hell I have the big box for the original Fallout and some of the other older games before DRM became what it is
The idea that an entire generation of xbox games could disappear at the flip of a switch terrified me
The fact that Major Nelson's response to that was we haven't even launched the console yet so no point talking about 10 years from now was the completely wrong response for someone like me
That being said he did say MS would never just flip that switch on the authorizing servers but honestly I wouldn't have touched the original XBO until it's EOL was detailed
If it had been opt-in I could keep playing those games and not have install discs
We'd both have been happy with it most likely my friend
Also apologize for going off topic
I'll be quiet now I promise
Few weeks?!! What the hell. Would have thought it'd take a few hours, days at most. What do they need weeks for?
It was a great feature and I wish we could opt-in for it. You get the box and in-store bonuses for collecting purposes, save download bandwidth and the game functions as a digital copy (instant game switching, playing the game on any console as long as you're logged in, plus family sharing... though family sharing may have sucked... who knows?). You could even trade in the game if you wanted to and that was pretty big for something that functions as a digital copy.
Of course the real issue was forcing these policies and there aren't many people who agree with MS's original decision to do that.
I realize I'm incredibly off-topic. Sorry.
Depending on the depth of info, he is most likely seeking approval from several divisions to release company confidential information. I know it sounds silly but this is most likely happening. Goes on with my company when we release tech/patent info, and the lawyers do take awhile.
Holy shit.
The thing that got people royally pissed though was the online check, at least from what I've gathered these past months. At that point they were just asking for trouble.
I just want to point this out. The iOS platform is obscenely successful, is on par to eclipse console gaming in numbers, and makes truck tons of money. Yet everything we consume on these platforms (and Android) is all digital with no option for physical. If these platforms weren't progressive, then why are they wildly successful?
If this is the case, that means the infamous tech post he made must also have been decided and pre-approved from some weeks back.
The same goes for that. The online check should have only been an opt-in thing for those that wanted to go digital. I'm not disagreeing with that.
Because they (apple) "get it". There are BENEFITS to the consumer to going all digital under their format. Instead of buying a Full album on CD and paying more, you can CHOOSE individual songs, pay far less. And aside from the obvious price difference, if I buy a new apple device in 3-5 years ALL of my digital content WORKS on the new Device. Not to mention, after said content is downloaded, I don't have to be online to "check in" to use and enjoy my content.
How many of my digitally bought 360 games work on the Xbone? NONE. How much do digital (full scale) games cost on Xbox live? $60 bucks, just like physical/retail, but with no benefit to me outside of not having to swap disks? Sorry, not enough. Give me a price break for not owning my copy of a game, promise me it will work on the next device (just like Apple and steam do), and don't mandate me to be online, on a $500 piece of hArdware I bought, to play the $60 games I also purchased.
Let's not split hairs here. A game's a game's a game's a game.Because the games are incredibly cheap.
Do you think Microsoft and retailers are going to go at it for the consumer and sell cheap games when Microsoft sets the prices for new and used? Cause I kind of doubt it
EA's made double Rovios made in digital phone platform sales this year.They aren't. The most successful games you know of on ios bring in a fraction of the revenue a AAA console title does.
Rovios entire revenue for the year is $195 million. That's games AND licensing AND merchandise, etc.
Infinity blade 1 and 2 combined have 11 million downloads...and 60 million in revenue.
Activision/blizzard does 5 billion a year. Call of duty does a billion a year. GTA5 is the most expensive game in history at 270 million or so, and has already made that back on preorders.
Because they (apple) "get it". There are BENEFITS to the consumer to going all digital under their format. Instead of buying a Full album on CD and paying more, you can CHOOSE individual songs, pay far less. And aside from the obvious price difference, if I buy a new apple device in 3-5 years ALL of my digital content WORKS on the new Device. Not to mention, after said content is downloaded, I don't have to be online to "check in" to use and enjoy my content.
How many of my digitally bought 360 games work on the Xbone? NONE. How much do digital (full scale) games cost on Xbox live? $60 bucks, just like physical/retail, but with no benefit to me outside of not having to swap disks? Sorry, not enough. Give me a price break for not owning my copy of a game, promise me it will work on the next device (just like Apple and steam do), and don't mandate me to be online, on a $500 piece of hArdware I bought, to play the $60 games I also purchased.
This is a bad analogy.
If you buy the xbone or ps4 this year for 400 or 500, every single digital game released for the platform will run on it, even 8 years from now without any upgrades.
You don't have a prayer of running games 8 years out on an iPhone 5. You couldn't run current games on a launch era iPhone or iPhone 3g if your life depended on it.
by the way, which movie this from?
Black Snake Moan.
The music and videos should work at the very least. That's a large portion right there.
And he's banned. A lot of the well known XBOX ONE supporters on this forum are having their minds broken and banned lately.
TGS is only a few weeks away, it'd be great if Albert can get clearance for more 'deep tech specs' but isn't this the perfect opportunity for MS to show us that 3rd party games will be comparable on the xbone?
I actually trust MS far more than Sony when it comes to specs and how important they are in reality, I've been fooled too many times by Sony's hype machinery to trust them on things like this.
Gotta wait for that NDA to be up. Don't you read the Misterxmedia blog?
lol if they prove it like that, better they not try at allIF MS thinks that X1 is on par or better than PS4, then they have to prove it themselves. just like Sony did last gen.
lol if they prove it like that, better they not try at all
Because it doesn't affect me and the reversal does. Now I have to buy games from xblm instead of amazon to get the features I want
What does a game is a game is a game supposed to mean exactly with relation to my post? People like cheap games. Apples success on this front relies on cheap, quick and easily consumed games which works especially well in the portable space. Games on the app store are cheap. Games on consoles are not. For them to be cheaper you have to wait a pretty long time before the console manufacturers decide to even slightly match retail prices.Let's not split hairs here. A game's a game's a game's a game.
Counterpoint to your link: Recent Xbox Live sale. I see this argument about Microsoft selling digital games at full price and Steam is so much better, because of their sales, but I do see regular sales on Xbox Live (and PSN, but that is not our focal point).
And how many PSN games are going to work on the PS4?How many of my digitally bought 360 games work on the Xbone? NONE.
Obviously misterxmedia is trash, but MS planning a live streamed developers conference on the 26th which is the day after the AMD tech reveal on the 25th does seem like good timing. I'm not saying MS has secret sauce waiting for us, but maybe a few more details can be discussed then?
Because it was in response to you taking the stance that somehow Apple being a gaming platform loses merits for whatever reason you want to come up with. Which is solely based on price.What does a game is a game is a game supposed to mean exactly with relation to my post? People like cheap games. Apples success on this front relies on cheap, quick and easily consumed games which works especially well in the portable space. Games on the app store are cheap. Games on consoles are not. For them to be cheaper you have to wait a pretty long time before the console manufacturers decide to even slightly match retail prices.
I gave you Xbox sales prices which was in direct response to you saying "Do you think Microsoft and retailers are going to go at it for the consumer and sell cheap games when Microsoft sets the prices for new and used? Cause I kind of doubt it" and then linking to an example of where the digital copies were more expensive. And it was a flippant retort, at that. I mean, come now, are you even paying attention to the arguments you're making and how you're trying to back them up?You gave me sales prices which proves...what? Sales happen all of the time. These sales still aren't as cheap as they get with Steam. Theyre still not as cheap as the app store. And I still can't buy Gears 1 and 2 for 7 bucks on GoD.
No, physical hasn't completely disappeared, but I dare you to walk into a Best Buy or a Wal-Mart and find anywhere near the catalog on Netflix, Hulu, or iTunes. Just because there are a few oases of physical copies out in the wild doesn't invalidate my proclamation that digital is overwhelmingly the predominant way people consume those types of media.Your point about movies and music doesnt make sense since it's not as if physical has completely disappeared there.
Counterpoint to your link: Recent Xbox Live sale. I see this argument about Microsoft selling digital games at full price and Steam is so much better, because of their sales, but I do see regular sales on Xbox Live (and PSN, but that is not our focal point).
Few years back you had active people getting pissed at each other and getting banned left and right (rip wollan, kittowy,speculawyer,et el) these new bunch seem too fake to be real fan boys.
Thanks, I'm gonna watch it tonight. always love Samuel Jackson performances, especially his performance in Pulp Fiction.
I must admit I find it very challenging to separate the product ( X1 ), which I think I will like, from the people who represent it ( Nelson and Panello ) who I dislike. I am constantly second guessing my preorder. Ugh.
well luckily you don't need to have Penello and Nelson around to install it for you, but I understand what you mean. Good luck on making your decision, you could always wait a while if you were on the fence.
No, physical hasn't completely disappeared, but I dare you to walk into a Best Buy or a Wal-Mart and find anywhere near the catalog on Netflix, Hulu, or iTunes. Just because there are a few oases of physical copies out in the wild doesn't invalidate my proclamation that digital is overwhelmingly the predominant way people consume those types of media.
This is a bad analogy.
If you buy the xbone or ps4 this year for 400 or 500, every single digital game released for the platform will run on it, even 8 years from now without any upgrades and do so perfectly.
You don't have a prayer of running games 8 years out on an iPhone 5. You couldn't run current games on a launch era iPhone or iPhone 3g if your life depended on it.
Movies and music are totally irrelevant. Those don't stop working when you upgrade from a ps3 to ps4 any more than they do on the iPhone.
I must admit I find it very challenging to separate the product ( X1 ), which I think I will like, from the people who represent it ( Nelson and Panello ) who I dislike. I am constantly second guessing my preorder. Ugh.
If that's an issue for you... there were hundreds of people that worked on the Xbone besides LH and AP, so maybe think about your purchase supporting them instead.
Wait, do MS employees work on commission?
No clue. That wasn't my point.Wait, do MS employees work on commission?
He's contradicted himself over and over again.Yeah - if you actually got his initial point you could have saved the time you needed for this montage. He was talking about the raw specs eg TFlops and that the games should do the talking. Comparing the specs published to that date was useless because it didn't include all variables on both sides. At least that's what I got out of his posts.
So you were willing to forfeit your ability to resell, lend and trade to anyone you want and also be forced to check in with Microsoft everyday just to buy games from Amazon on the chance they have a sale?
There's nothing stopping ms offering digital download codes to be sold at retail alongside physical discs to do as you wish.
Apart from the fact there's no point for them as they don't have total control of their ecosystem.
What the heck are you talking about? I'm not downplaying Apple's success. You're equaling their success down to just the fact that it's digital and ignoring all of the other factors.Because it was in response to you taking the stance that somehow Apple being a gaming platform loses merits for whatever reason you want to come up with. Which is solely based on price.
I gave you Xbox sales prices which was in direct response to you saying "Do you think Microsoft and retailers are going to go at it for the consumer and sell cheap games when Microsoft sets the prices for new and used? Cause I kind of doubt it" and then linking to an example of where the digital copies were more expensive. And it was a flippant retort, at that. I mean, come now, are you even paying attention to the arguments you're making and how you're trying to back them up?
No, physical hasn't completely disappeared, but I dare you to walk into a Best Buy or a Wal-Mart and find anywhere near the catalog on Netflix, Hulu, or iTunes. Just because there are a few oases of physical copies out in the wild doesn't invalidate my proclamation that digital is overwhelmingly the predominant way people consume those types of media.
He's contradicted himself over and over again.
- Comparing specs is meaningless ... resorts to comparing specs
- Could the weaker machine be actually more powerful??? ... It's a wash!
- Only people working on the actual boxes know what's in them ... goes on to compare PS4's specs.
- Let's not compare specs until the boxes ship and we have them ... goes on to compare specs
- Let's not talk about specs and let the (launch games) do the talking .. resorts to comparing specs (again)
What does he fall back to?
- Lets look at the (launch) games ..
- We invented DirectX!
- Only we know what's in our box.
- I ran this by so and so technical fellow, you know we're lucky to have him .. trust me! the numbers are solid.
- Sorry I didnt know Europe was not a country, I will let my internal teams know
- Sorry I was not aware of the math discrepancies, obviously I'm not fully aware of the specs.
At the Hotchip Presentation, which was done after GPU upclock contradicts that number, which was actually presented by MS own technical experts at states the number to be 204