wesleyshark
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My concern is that they'll "silently" extend that exclusivity again. They've already done it once.
Yup I can see it happening again.My concern is that they'll "silently" extend that exclusivity again. They've already done it once.
The very nature of what an is assumption requires an individual to make an informed guess based on context. So saying "we don't know," is not an assumption but a statement of fact.
I'm not buying this game simply because of this horse shit
I know I won't make a difference to Activision, but that's ok.
Are we really going to defer to an argument about assumptions and facts in order to try and validate an assumption, which again, has just as little to assume one way as those arguing for the inverse? Youre getting called out for defaulting to unknown by people saying we shouldn't default to either argument. If you want to make an argument and say you want to assume it doesn't have raids, by all means but youre being told that it has as little evidence to support it as does anyone suggesting it will have a raid. And yes, I prefer to operate under the pretense of factual information, especially when what started this whole argument was an emphatic statement of ostensible fact claiming the game had no raids or pvp, to which people took as legitimate.
My concern is that they'll "silently" extend that exclusivity again. They've already done it once.
Are we really going to defer to an argument about assumptions and facts in order to try and validate an assumption, which again, has just as little to assume one way as those arguing for the inverse? Youre getting called out for defaulting to unknown by people saying we shouldn't default to either argument. If you want to make an argument and say you want to assume it doesn't have raids, by all means but youre being told that it has as little evidence to support it as does anyone suggesting it will have a raid. And yes, I prefer to operate under the pretense of factual information, especially when what started this whole argument was an emphatic statement of ostensible fact claiming the game had no raids or pvp, to which people took as legitimate.
Who's calling me out?
Because it is a fact that the game has no raids or pvp FROM WHAT we as consumers have seen and know so far (which is VERY LITTLE). Whats so hard to understand?
I saw your response to the person who emphasized the discussion was started due to a statement as opposed to assumption when I wrote that post which is what I was referring to.
Additionally, any logic professor would tell you that no, your assumption isn't reasonable. You can assume all you want, go to town assuming whatever you'd like, but you don't get to turn around and call that assumption with no grounding or evidence reasonable. It's not.
Oh my god, no thats not how this works. Thats not how any of this works.
Well that's a given. Whatever expansion they do in Fall 2018 will most likely have a new sack of exclusive stuff.Or have new exclusive shit by then so this one wont matter. Trust me, this shit aint over.
1.)I saw your response to the person who emphasized the discussion was started due to a statement as opposed to assumption when I wrote that post which is what I was referring to.
2.) Additionally, any logic professor would tell you that no, your assumption isn't reasonable. You can assume all you want, go to town assuming whatever you'd like, but you don't get to turn around and call that assumption with no grounding or evidence reasonable. It's not.
Yeah, I'll do everything to not pay for this game; I still want to play it but it's going to be a freebie code through a graphics card or something from a colleague/work.
Otherwise nope.
Glad I'm playing on PS4 then.
Can't wait for September!
This shit and 4K has had more story than Destiny itself.
Again I've never said it does.Alright show me to some information that indicates the game has raids and/or pvp from an official source. I'll be waiting for it.
Alright show me to some information that indicates the game has raids and/or pvp from an official source. I'll be waiting for it.
Partnerships gonna partnershipsa year if exclusivity it seems, how garbage smh
Was it ever in doubt?
1.) Can you rewrite this? it is a run on and it is not clear what you are saying. This still doesn't answer who is calling me out because the person I quoted did not call me out.
2.) Unpack this section for me professor. Since I fail to see how my assumption that a feature, that is not common in console gaming, would not be included in a console game until stated otherwise by the developers. It is also interesting that if you, or a logic professor, would argue that this is unreasonable then the opposite--that a feature is included--would also be considered unreasonable.
You are doing a poor job of explaining yourself and are using a hypothetical logic professor to defend your poorly worded arguments.
Yeah, I'll do everything to not pay for this game; I still want to play it but it's going to be a freebie code through a graphics card or something from a colleague/work.
Otherwise nope.
Oh my god, no thats not how this works. Thats not how any of this works.
Not all console games have raids
Anthem is a console game
Anthem will not have a raid
That is not a valid logical induction because the conclusion does not follow from the premise. And also no, it is not true that because you can't say the aforementioned conclusion that the inverse must be true either thats ridiculous.
Yeah, I'm not sure he knows what "fact" means.
I'm certainly not saying it's a "fact" that the game WILL have PvP or Raids when it launches.
But basic logic and reasoning tells people it almost certainly will.
Yes what you said is not logical because it makes a statement
Here try again, and this time I'll lay out what I typed:
Raiding is a new feature for console gaming
The majority of current console games do not include a raid as we know it with Destiny
Anthem is a console game
It can be assumed that Anthem will not have a raid
And again that's fine but it isn't a reasonable or logical one lol. Assume all you want but stop trying to pretend your position is validated through reason or logic, it isnt.What you said is not logical because it makes a statement
Here try again, and this time I'll lay out what I typed:
Raiding is a new feature for console gaming
The majority of current console games do not include a raid as we know it with Destiny
Anthem is a console game
It can be assumed that Anthem will not have a raid
Now it makes zero sense how you can flip the assumption to it does have a raid and this suddenly becomes more logical for you. I truly think you are not critically reading my posts and you started this discussion ill-informed.
It can also be assumed it will have a raid. The storm they flew into could've been a raid. The problem still remains that Hanzo was running around decreeing Anthem has no raids or PVP without any evidence. He didn't change his stance to an assumption til he got called out for it.
And again that's fine but it isn't a reasonable or logical one lol. Assume all you want but stop trying to pretend your position is validated through reason or logic, it isnt.
It can also be assumed it will have a raid. The storm they flew into could've been a raid. The problem still remains that Hanzo was running around decreeing Anthem has no raids or PVP without any evidence. He didn't change his stance to an assumption til he got called out for it.
I agree, it can be assumed either way and the importance is to state that you are making an assumption. What jviggy43 is arguing at this point doesn't make any sense where he declares one assumption is illogical but the other as logical.
Absolutely not. You called your assumption the default and then later said it was reasonable.I agree, it can be assumed either way and the importance is to state that you are making an assumption. What jviggy43 is arguing at this point doesn't make any sense where he declares one assumption is illogical but the other as logical.
You should definitely read through this thread to figure out my "position" and see if I have been trying to validate it or if it has been attacked. This whole discussion is based on you not critically reading.
I agree an assumption can be made either way. And there can be arguments for which one has more merit. I'm just trying to downplay an individual's inference of a trailer as fact.
Absolutely not. You called your assumption the default and then later said it was reasonable.
Pretty much. Here's hoping mods take out the trash on a regular basis.i guess every destiny thread for the next 3 months is going to turn into an "anthem might be better" thread
I retract my position that you have a default, just that you implied that the default should be one similar to what the poster who started this argument was making, and then ending with that in your opinion saod position was a reasonable assumption. I was never once arguing about it being an assumption (although again you misread the post in question because he didn't assume, he stated), just that it's an unreasonable one to make from a logical perspective because ultimately no side has any more reason to assume one way or the other at this point.Definitely as long as we see it both ways which it sounds like we do.
- Find the post where I said that
- Click the post I quoted
- Click that quoted post (my post)
- Read it
What is my stance on default assumptions for video game features?
Honestly you're being very silly and shitting up this thread. It is a FACT we know very little, but what you're doing is taking that and ASSUMING what features it won't have and presenting it as fact. FACT is we don't know, leave it at that and walk away. And no i don't give a shit about anthem, but you're being silly about this.As it stands, at this time.. its a fact that from the very little information we have about the game, that it does not currently show anything for raids / pvp, therefore we can conclude that the game does not have these features until they are shown off by official sources.
One thing I do love about this back and forth bs argument is that I can tell how passionate some of you guys are for a game that won't even be out for a while. I mean when I first saw the gameplay, I was like wow this looks amazing.. but some of you guys... words cant even describe it tbh.
So a company paid some money to get certain advantages that would help get more customers for said company.
Ok.
Honestly you're being very silly and shitting up this thread. It is a FACT we know very little, but what you're doing is taking that and ASSUMING what features it won't have and presenting it as fact. FACT is we don't know, leave it at that and walk away. And no i don't give a shit about anthem, but you're being silly about this.
On topic, i've grown to accept the cosmetic exclusives and to some extent the 1-month exclusives, but just hope to god these 1-year exclusives don't start happening more cause it's no good for anyone.