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[Phat Michael]

Trust no one, wait for the Digital Foundry.

Didn't people say this last time and then change their mind because they didn't trust the DF capture equipment?

 

[SapientWolf]

Because it looks leagues better than every other next-gen launch title? Although Killzone is also incredibly impressive and has the 60 FPS advantage.

Killzone doesn't run at 60fps.

 

[FordGTGuy]

but you can look at a video and make a judgement for yourself. Whereas you have to have faith in the author who wrote the article. You should take both with a grain of salt, but who thing is physical evidence, and the other is an opinion.

I don't have faith in the author at all I just know that they could have been playing different builds and in different circumstances which can change the end result.

Already saw it.

I never said it looked bad. But for an exclusive game that should be taking all the power they can currently squeeze out of the XB1, it SHOULD be 1080p at 60fps.

Maybe they just lowered the resolution and framerate to make it look good, I dunno.

They did run it at 1080p but lowered it to 900p to increase the overall graphical fidelity and the effects on screen. I seriously haven't seen any other gaming coming up doing as much on screen with 50+ soldiers and enemies sharing the same fidelity as the main character and the world explodes around them at a locked 30 fps.

 

[KOMANI]

so you have people saying the PS4 has some framerate drops....and people saying it doesnt....


anddddd

we have people saying the Xbone has framerate drops...and people saying it doesnt....


...sounds about right....

no. we're saying BOTH have framerate drops. But some are in denial.

 

[Uno Venova]

Uh I'm not ignoring it and that evidence proves nothing as it can't prove the Destructoid writer wrong, the only thing that would is actual footage of what he played.

The Youtube footage could easily be a old build, different gamemode or a different map and all three could make a huge difference.

Why do people keep saying this? It apparently runs great on X360 but that's about it.

Old build, why would you think that?

Didn't people say this last time and then change their mind because they didn't trust the DF capture equipment?

Which posters are you talking about?

 

[Prelude.]

Killzone doesn't run at 60fps.

It does.

 

[Sanke__]

Did i miss something or has there not been one single report of the the ps4 version not running "smoothly" except during "set pieces" in singleplayer. I feel like im taking crazy pills over here.

 

[Hypron]

if that meant resolution drops and texture pop-in like a mothafucka, so be it!

Well COD doesn't look much better than RAGE at its worse

 

[Grinchy]

As a guy who loves reading console warz posts, I desperately hope this game runs like crap on PS4 while staying 60fps at all times on Xbone. That would just be such an awesome turn of events. I can't wait for DF analysis.

 

[nib95]

Killzone doesn't run at 60fps.

It does in MP. And I'm willing to hazard a guess that the frame rate is more consistent than the Xbox One and PS4 versions of COD Ghosts lol.

 

[KOMANI]

I don't have faith in the author at all I just know that they could have been playing different builds and in different circumstances which can change the end result.

in that case... we should wait until after the day 1 patch, which is supposed to "fix" certain versions.

 

[Lunzio]

Tis a shame that we simply cannot wait to make judgments before the games can actually be put side by side (instead of hearsay by one guy here and there).

 

[SapientWolf]

It does.

It runs at an unlocked framerate that's capped at 60, but it never stays there.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Didn't people say this last time and then change their mind because they didn't trust the DF capture equipment?

I'd say wait for anyone who has a better eye for this than someone who doesn't really understand or analyze frame rates consistently enough to have valid opinion on the matter.

 

[SwiftDeath]

I love my pugs.

Love pugs

I have one of my own

Also your avatar is terrifying but pugs make up for it

Now what is going on in this thread?

 

[Demon Ice]

The Youtube footage could easily be a old build, different gamemode or a different map and all three could make a huge difference.
.

And in two of those three examples you provided, that would mean the final product does not maintain its framerate.

Also, I'm glad you appreciate the map makes a difference, which makes it odd that you chose to quote an article where the writer admitted to only having played a single round of multiplayer.

 

[Prelude.]

It runs at an unlocked framerate that's capped at 60, but it never stays there.

That's the SP. MP is 60fps.

 

[daman824]

It's funny to see people still choosing a platform for a game that should be off EVERYONE's radar.

Game is garbage and is a step down in every way from the previous entries.

I only buy treyarch iterations of call of duty. They seem to have their act together and the difference between ghosts and black ops 2 is striking. The biggest reason I prefer their games is because their map design in all of their past games actually makes sense and isn't just a huge mess.

 

[antitrop]

That seems like a bit much, doesn't really compare to BF4 but it looks quite nice and has some great textures. Certainly a step up from other CoD games.

It doesn't compare to games that were released 3 years ago.

 

[unbias]

COD is never "smooth"... That said he better be right, because if people buy that game, based on his words, and the game isnt smooth? Ya, he will be an asshole. Hopefully he isn't just getting sucked into the hype, otherwise he just did a big nono as a 3rd party press person, imo.

 

[Tsundere]

Oh, rly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teejnxOa9jg&feature=youtu.be

What's up with that terrible ...aliasing/shadow thing that's going on top of the truck?!

 

[CaptainTiptop]

Killzone doesn't run at 60fps.

Multiplayer is 60fps, single player runs at an unlocked framerate so 30+.

 

[FordGTGuy]

And in two of those three examples you provided, that would mean the final product does not maintain its framerate.

Also, I'm glad you appreciate the map makes a difference, which makes it odd that you chose to quote an article where the writer admitted to only having played a single round of multiplayer.

Why wouldn't I admit it?

It would only be common sense that what the game is rendering can change the overall performance of how it runs.

The problem is that it doesn't disprove his statements either, we are just going to have to see more of it.

That's the SP. MP is 60fps.

Well I wouldn't compare RYSE singleplayer to Killzone multiplayer, although after seeing footage of both games singleplayer I do think RYSE looks more impressive but Killzone looks great and has better lighting effects. Two completely different games and it's hard to compare them directly with each other.

 

[KOMANI]

As a guy who loves reading console warz posts, I desperately hope this game runs like crap on PS4 while staying 60fps at all times on Xbone. That would just be such an awesome turn of events. I can't wait for DF analysis.

"you're a mean one... MR GRINCH"

 

[nib95]

It runs at an unlocked framerate that's capped at 60, but it never stays there.

Erm, so does pretty much every 60fps game on consoles. And according to the devs, it runs at 60fps the vast majority of the time.

I think you're confusing the SP with the MP.

 

[Accident]

Think harder! RAGE is locked 60 fps...to the point where it drops res to hold it. Call of Duty is not.

Oops, I never played Rage But in my opinion, COD has always had a very solid frame rate online.

Ok.

Somebody needs to find a video encoded by the same user and see if it stutters like that one.

 

[phosphor112]

Should be mentioned that most of the frame rate complaints for the PS4 version were SP related, and evidently could be related to a checkpoint/saving bug. Should also be mentioned that we have a video of the Xbox One version's mutiplayer, and there are some heavy frame rate drops in it...

But yea, I guess that DF comparison can't come soon enough!



EDIT: The vid in question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teejnxOa9jg&feature=youtu.be

Ahahaha... no... lmao. "smoothly"

 

[Chance Hale]

Killzone doesn't run at 60fps.

The multiplayer footage I've seen seemed pretty consistent, don't think there's been direct feed single player footage for a while though so who knows. They've said it's 30 FPS uncapped which could be quite bad in practice. They released that forest gamescom trailer in 60 FPS a while back but that was obviously doctored.

Already saw it.

I never said it looked bad. But for an exclusive game that should be taking all the power they can currently squeeze out of the XB1, it SHOULD be 1080p at 60fps.

Maybe they just lowered the resolution and framerate to make it look good, I dunno.

I don't really think there should be any requirement for 60 FPS on a console, although I certainly would have preferred it be 1080P. In any case, I've been the most impressed by Ryse on a graphical level but Killzone is quite pleasant and I'm looking forward to it.

It doesn't compare to games that were released 3 years ago.

What games were you playing 3 years ago? Ghosts does not look poor at the max settings, certainly an unoptimized mess but it has some impressive moments and great texture work. There are certainly much more ambitious, interesting games though. Ghosts is very much stuck in the past from a gameplay perspective.

 

[Atlas157]

They did run it at 1080p but lowered it to 900p to increase the overall graphical fidelity and the effects on screen. I seriously haven't seen any other gaming coming up doing as much on screen with 50+ soldiers and enemies sharing the same fidelity as the main character and the world explodes around them at a locked 30 fps.

Crytek must be doing some black magic making it look like that because Dead Rising 3 has the same amount of enemies (or more) on screen, with less detail than Ryse, but running at 720p at 30fps.

Or it could just be Capcpom being shit at optimization.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Trust Digital Foundry? lool

It's not like DF can change the frame-rate.

They can editorialize it, sure. But they can't change how the games run.

 

[ClearData]

I'm not a developer but I would think that the frame rate drops in COD Ghosts single player on PS4 could be resolved with a post release optimization patch? If the game can run smoothly on the Xbox One I couldn't imagine it is the PS4 hardware that is holding back the game. Some of the reports don't make the distinction that this issue doesn't effect the COD multiplayer on the system, which is odd. Some reports make it seem like it is a general issue pervasive in the entire game.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

I seriously can't think of any other FPS on consoles with a better frame rate than COD.

To me, this is the definition of "solid 60 fps"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIY7zCssueY

I haven't played it yet, but based on most reviews, Ghosts also runs a solid 60 fps on 360.

Call of Duty games have a good framerate, but "solid 60 fps" they are not.

 

[Metfanant]

no. we're saying BOTH have framerate drops. But some are in denial.

i agree...im just saying these are the tidbits we're getting from all our "inside sources" some say this, others say that...

im sure both have very similar framerates just like BF4...and the current gen CoD's....

i will be interested to see a goos framerate analysis...my hunch is (like BF) the PS4 will have a few FPS advantage, but if the Xbone performs better im curious to hear why IW stuck with 1080p on the PS4 instead of 900p...surely if its "mostly" steady at 1080p, 900p could have been nearly locked...

It runs at an unlocked framerate that's capped at 60, but it never stays there.

neither does CoD, or BF, or Forza, or Gran Turismo, or any of the other "60fps" games....Geurilla made a big mistake being honest when they said its 60fps most of the time...should have just said "60fps" like all the other devs and their games that are not locked at 60fps...

 

[FordGTGuy]

Crytek must be doing some black magic making it look like that because Dead Rising 3 has the same amount of enemies (or more) on screen, with less detail than Ryse, but running at 720p at 30fps.

Or it could just be Capcpom being shit at optimization.

RYSE has about 50-100 on screen at once while Dead Rising 3 has thousands.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Killzone doesn't run at 60fps.

It does , they just being honest that it drops like every console game .

 

[Atlas157]

RYSE has about 50-100 on screen at once while Dead Rising 3 has thousands.

So it's Capcpom being shit at optimizations.

 

[NullPointer]

So when does word get out on Xbone COD single player performance?

Don't see the point of the article if its comparing multiplayer to singleplayer set-pieces.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Killzone doesn't run at 60fps.

It does (multiplayer)

But I do expect some drop

 

[Intheflorsh]

So when does word get out on Xbone COD single player performance?

Don't see the point of the article if its comparing multiplayer to singleplayer set-pieces.

When Microsoft wills it. (Nov. 12)

 

[SapientWolf]

The multiplayer footage I've seen seemed pretty consistent, don't think there's been direct feed single player footage for a while though so who knows. They've said it's 30 FPS uncapped which could be quite bad in practice. They released that forest gamescom trailer in 60 FPS a while back but that was obviously doctored.



I don't really think there should be any requirement for 60 FPS on a console, although I certainly would have preferred it be 1080P. In any case, I've been the most impressed by Ryse on a graphical level but Killzone is quite pleasant and I'm looking forward to it.



What games were you playing 3 years ago? Ghosts does not look poor at the max settings, certainly an optimized mess but it has some impressive moments and great texture work. Certainly much more ambitious, interesting games though. Ghosts is very much stuck in the past from a gameplay perspective.

The high bitrate KZ: SF multiplayer footage is what I'm talking about. It does not hold a solid 60.

If the average GAFfer can't tell with KZ then how do we expect a random journo to tell the difference with CoD?

 

[shinra-bansho]

RYSE has about 50-100 on screen at once while Dead Rising 3 has thousands.

Is there any [gameplay] video of this? It's all very well for Capcom to say this. But I don't really think one can even fit 1000 characters into a frame with a typical third person field of view.

 

[FordGTGuy]

So it's Capcpom being shit at optimizations.

Maybe but it's hard to say that RYSE has the same amount going on screen at the same time as DR3. In fact I don't think any next-gen title has anything going on screen at the same time as DR3 with a open world that is eight times the size of DR1&2 combined.

Is there any [gameplay] video of this? It's all very well for Capcom to say this. But I don't really think one can even fit 1000 characters into a frame with a typical third person field of view.

Was a direct quote from the devs that they can put 1000s on screen without a performance hit and there is some footage with a ton of zombies shoulder to shoulder on a long freeway.

IGN said they were playing one time and turned to a alley and the entire alley was shoulder to shoulder and just looked insane.

 

[Astral Dog]

I dont care, the other versions are more cinematic.

 

[xxracerxx]

RYSE has about 50-100 on screen at once while Dead Rising 3 has thousands.

Can you show me a gameplay clip that has two thousand zombies on screen at once? I am genuinely curious to see this.

 

[Atlas157]

Maybe but it's hard to say that RYSE has the same amount going on screen at the same time as DR3. In fact I don't think any next-gen title has anything going on screen at the same time as DR3 with a open world that is eight times the size of DR1&2 combined.

What if an indie game can do physics of hundreds of thousands of blocks at the same time?

I think that would be impressive to see.

 

[NullPointer]

When Microsoft wills it. (Nov. 12)

OK then. See you all in six days.

 

[Chance Hale]

The high bitrate KZ: SF multiplayer footage is what I'm talking about. It does not hold a solid 60.

If the average GAFfer can't tell with KZ then how do we expect a random journo to tell the difference with CoD?

Seemed pretty steady and free of tearing but perhaps I should take another look.

If nothing else there's a major difference between 60 FPS with some drops when compared to that video features horrendous stuttering. Hard to confuse the two.

 

[Akainu]

Ok.

That happens in battlefield when my connection goes crap. XD

Was that beast guy banned or just his post deleted.

 

[PaulKersey]

Gifs usually have reduced frames or else the file size explodes. And even when none were removed there's no telling if it's slightly sped up or slowed down


Just hoping that we stay with the actual videos when it's about fps and not start throwing gifs around

I'd say the video makes it look way worse, actually.

 

[dolabla]

So he's played ONE match and now the whole game has a rock solid smooth framerate?