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Eurogamer - PS4 Pro gives Battlefield 1 gamers a multiplayer advantage
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thelastword
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Silly article, Leadbetter is upset when the PRO performs worse than OG PS4. Yet, this article says that PRO offering better framerates puts OG PS4 owners at a disadvantage???....Such a divide in thought patterns across the Eurogamer board.....
So what's the point of upgrading then, it's a mid gen refresh that keeps the OG PS4 in the same loop, of course Pro users would get better framerates, it's better hardware, it's the reason anyone bought the darn thing in the first place. News at 6..., they got better visuals too, better loadtimes, snappier menus, better fidelity in games, better resolution, these can all be considered advantages and was always anticipated from the get-go.
The only thing Sony could do, they did. Don't offer a 30fps mp game on PS4 and a 60fps mp version on Pro, the target must be the same. The onus is on developers to lower the settings on PS4 enough to maintain the 60fps as close as possible, even in that scenario, people would still complain that the PRO's framerate in only on par with the PS4. However you spin it, Eurogamer's stance here is silly.....
What are they asking for? That the Pro gimp framerate to match the PS4 in every scenario? This is hilarious...
So what's the point of upgrading then, it's a mid gen refresh that keeps the OG PS4 in the same loop, of course Pro users would get better framerates, it's better hardware, it's the reason anyone bought the darn thing in the first place. News at 6..., they got better visuals too, better loadtimes, snappier menus, better fidelity in games, better resolution, these can all be considered advantages and was always anticipated from the get-go.
The only thing Sony could do, they did. Don't offer a 30fps mp game on PS4 and a 60fps mp version on Pro, the target must be the same. The onus is on developers to lower the settings on PS4 enough to maintain the 60fps as close as possible, even in that scenario, people would still complain that the PRO's framerate in only on par with the PS4. However you spin it, Eurogamer's stance here is silly.....
What are they asking for? That the Pro gimp framerate to match the PS4 in every scenario? This is hilarious...
Rellik
Member
Consoles have never had a level playing field. Never. Different Internet connections, different TVs with different input lag, pro/elite controllers and consoles even have mouse and keyboard gamers.
I hope no one truly purchased a console for a level playing field.
Pretty much this. Also, as on OG PS4 owner,
I don't care. It would be stupid to have an upgraded console make no improvements to games, especially multiplayer ones that can run and look better.
thelastword
Banned
Just read the quotes from the OP. Didn't read the full article yet...Did Leadbetter write this article? This makes it worse. He is upset when the PS4 Pro performs worse, but is now saying that better PRo performance will give PRo owners an advantage? unbelievable.
Sad Affleck
Member
I don't know if anyone actually bought a console because of it but it has raised as an argument in favor of consoles many times, along with "I just want to put in the disc and play" and "I like knowing that I'm playing the best possible version available on the platform".
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Non-issue. A trash connection is faaaar more important in determining who gets an advantage.
old manatee
Banned
Well, PS4 Pro users know they are playing "the best possible version" of BF1.
There are people playing on internet connections being shared around a house of people over wifi on a tv with input lag that would be way way way worse than a slight frame rate advantage, Richard seems to want to be outraged at everything regards the pro, few frames worse than the og ps4 dismaying, frames higher than the og ps4 is it fair? Come on Richard you're better than this clickbait shite.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm curious of the general response for this. In the past, I've seen a lot of people that have used the "level playing field" of console MP as one of the major reasons they avoid PC.
thelastword
Banned
This is the first time we have had a mid gen refresh with better hardware keeping the original hardware in the same multiplayer loop. It was always known that we were heading down that road. It's also not something unbeknownst to gamers in the PC community. I guess things do and can change....afterall.
i never heard anyone mentioning "platforms" before, lol.
If they wanted to play best possible version, would most XB1 versions exist?
What about cross-play... lots of articles written about it need for cross play? Yet, almost every game has differences like this between platforms.
You aren't.
Yup, this article just perpetuates the silly level playing field on console myth. There have always been widely varying conditions.
Okami Haundo
Member
How is Player 2 shooting at Player 1 while facing the edge of the map?
Ted
Member
When did "because X is not perfect we shouldn't care about Y" become a valid argument for anything?
Of course console gaming isn't and never has been a perfectly level playing field but this situation where the same game performs significantly differently for players on the same platform playing directly against one another is completely new for console platforms and even just by virtue of that, is worth discussing.
Of course console gaming isn't and never has been a perfectly level playing field but this situation where the same game performs significantly differently for players on the same platform playing directly against one another is completely new for console platforms and even just by virtue of that, is worth discussing.
Lol.
legacyzero
Banned
iAd say a bigger complaint should be resolution. If it's a higher resolution, it means I can identify you down range faster than you can see me on, what, 900p?
Sad Affleck
Member
I don't think anything really changed. Multiplayer gaming on all platforms has a ton of factors in play that negate any notion of an even playing field. There never was an even playing field to begin with.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Single player games: Developer slides state that games must exceed framerate targets
Multiplayer games: Sony have gone on record saying PS4 Pro won't give players advantages in competitive multiplayer
The two things aren't the same, and carry different expectations with them. PS4 Pro not meeting either in some cases is something worth criticising, not brushing under the rug
Logsi
Member
Not sure why people get so worked up about it tbh...
Too many people are being dense about the "same frame rate" quote from Naughty Dog.
It means" both console versions will have the same target frame rate (30fps or 60fps)" not "both consoles console versions will drop the same frames attempting to meet the target frame rate". If you give this the tiniest amount of thought, you'd realize that the latter scenario wouldn't even be possible.
This article is not helping that perception, but honestly it's probably going to sell some PS4 Pros.
It means" both console versions will have the same target frame rate (30fps or 60fps)" not "both consoles console versions will drop the same frames attempting to meet the target frame rate". If you give this the tiniest amount of thought, you'd realize that the latter scenario wouldn't even be possible.
This article is not helping that perception, but honestly it's probably going to sell some PS4 Pros.
Jacksinthe
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The issue is the playing field. Consoles were known for this in MP, outside of the small percentage of aftermarket peripheral users.
I know lots of people who opt for MP on consoles for just this reason. Anecdotal, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
thelastword
Banned
Good point, I remember when people were deriding Sony because MS made a pro statement on crossplay, lots of people came out of the woodwork saying that Sony is anti-progression....But could you imagine PS4 players against Xb1 players and all the differences there would be with networks, hardware, OS's, input methods/ lag etc..but somehow this is a big issue only now...Sometimes I wonder if these articles are being written just for baiting as opposed to having a reasonable and informative article posted.....
It's funny still, because as a tech site, when the XB1 version of BF1 performed a bit better in MP and SP, I didn't see leadbetter questioning it and writing an article about it.
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But watch ppl scream n moan about not fair.
This has been a thing on PCs since forever. Don't like it? Get a PS4pro then.
OnionPowder
Member
I play CSGO with a friend playing at 30FPS while I play at 144fps. 35 vs 60 FPS is such a non factor in terms of performance disparity, especially if it's a drop vs sustained.
demosthenes
Member
This this this.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Even with that notion and this minor fps variable difference between ps4 and ps4 pro, it's nowhere near as bad as the advantages PC players can have over others.
So yes, console online gaming is still by far much more fair than PC.
I know these because I also game on both PC and console.
Shai-Tan
Banned
I reckon it has less effect than implied if you consider average frame rates. I've had large kdr increases in the past due to upgraded gfx cards but it's mostly baseline performance that matters. I could go from ultra quality to medium to increase my kdr when the performance is already ok but it's not going to be that significant. You can even adapt to being one with poor performance by pre aim and using ambush tactics more rather than roaming and reacting.
old manatee
Banned
People are laughing at you, but this is why I'm excited about switch. It looks like a return to proper console simplicity. I already put up with all of this crap on pc, there is no way I'm buying a professional PlayStation, new tv, new controller, etc to keep up with other console players.
I think the advantage is amplified here due to the nature of it being a FPS game. Aiming around when the framerate has such a big variance will make it much harder to aim accurately as the input lag is dynamic.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
This is a non issue, especially when compared to the numerous other things, specifically network performance which can really hamper player performance. The 16 or so millisecond frame speed difference between the two is too narrow to make any tangible difference in player responsiveness.
Frostbite 3 isn't iDTech3, enhance frame rates aren't going to make you capable of doing things other players can't. Having an Elite controller would probably give you a stronger advantage than a 60v30 FPS difference, lol.
Frostbite 3 isn't iDTech3, enhance frame rates aren't going to make you capable of doing things other players can't. Having an Elite controller would probably give you a stronger advantage than a 60v30 FPS difference, lol.
but are people playing CS:GO or battlefield 1 on PC not having the same problem then? some people play with 30 fps. other play with much higher.. and I have not seen someone complain about that.?
Right because playing a 64 player fps on a 6" screen via WiFi against players with docked console on a big screen via lan wouldn't be a problem, right?
nkarafo
Member
Except, PC players can adjust graphical settings so they can make a game as smooth as they need.
old manatee
Banned
disingenuous.
A statement about what exactly?
This just made me think about something. Xbox Play Anywhere games are Xbox/PC cross-compatible. Could someone with an extremely high end PC have an advantage over those in something like Gears of War?
Actually, this could go for any game that's console/PC compatible. I don't know why I singled out the Xbox.
Actually, this could go for any game that's console/PC compatible. I don't know why I singled out the Xbox.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
No, because there is no PC v Xbox One competitive MP in Gears 4.
Shai-Tan
Banned
it's not like you're following the reticule all the way across the screen. it's mostly in your sense of the speed which the reticule moves when you hold the analog or swipe the mouse.