Checking the ARMv8 timeline, it doesn't seem like it could make Christmas 2013 😐
AMD's own A1100 finally limped out this year lol.
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Introducing the Potato Masher "Pro" (PC priced at PS4 Pro price)
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AMD's own A1100 finally limped out this year lol.
Aztechnology
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Interesting, thanks for shedding some light on that.
Sephiroth_VII
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Wait, so he's comparing a 400 USD pc built with aftermarket parts, to a full-price PS4Pro at 400USD, in order to make a value comparison?
That makes no sense. Surely he should be buying new parts to compare prices with a new console.
That's my preferred approach, but one that not many seem to take in discussion of the subject. One way or another it seems to be slanted toward whatever the person's conclusion is.
Cost of OS/controllers/PS+/peripherals should be included, with prices that can be found shopping around(no way I'd ever pay $120 for Win10 or $60/yr for PS+. I'm actually averaging around $32/yr). On top of that, in the US, you've been able to get Pros for $360 or even lower since launch with little to no effort. If MSRP is used for one thing then it will need to be used for all IMO.
I think that's the closest you could get to objectively answering the question. Leave game costs out of it too.
I think the whole topic is way overblown and has roots in platform wars anyway. Going into building a PC to beat the PS4 in performance is the wrong mindset to have. It should be to squeeze the best performance out within one's budget, unless that just happens to be exactly what a PS4 costs. It's a silly metric.
Edit: I'm probably overthinking the whole thing but this debate is brought up so often.
paperspace
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I don't think you know what aftermarket means.
Sephiroth_VII
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Maybe not? I thought it meant used?
Finaika
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PC can do real 4K.
Aztechnology
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Well there's tons of parts out there, but I believe the original computer he built a while back like two years ago? Was built aftermarket at least for the CPU. He's just swapped out the GPU for this. That's an old processor in there.
And wow does it breath new life into old games.
I don't think it's a pretty even comparison TBH. Common sense dictates that the PS4 is at an inherent disadvantage due to one having to replace an entire console versus PC where you can sell and keep certain parts. This video might help those who have a PS4-specced PC and a PS4, which I don't think is very likely, but what about those who have neither?
When you can reduce the resolution, use checker-boarding to get near 4k-quality and use those extra resources to improve certain graphical settings and framerate, I don't see why having such an option is bad. PS4 can do real 4k as well btw.
I don't doubt it looks good but you're not doing the game any favors by capturing an off screen pic.
Opus Angelorum
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Aftermarket usually means products that are not readily available anymore that are sold through secondary markets. They can still be 'new'.
Aftermarket basically means replacement parts/accessories after the original purchase (in this case the original Potato Masher). It has nothing to do with second hand/pre-owned, although it can include them.
It might be confusing as one is an entire console and one is a single piece of hardware, but when you get down to how much money he is spending over the same amount of years, including trade ins and what not, the money needed for a PC to keep on par or above with a PS4 and the Pro is surprisingly low without resorting to second hand. There are caveats, but Sony has opened the lid on the caveat well when it comes to the Pro.
Aztechnology
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If your're building a new PC and only want "new" parts you have to ask yourself if you're willing to spend more $600 is the min build I'd recommend with new parts (to get a more powerful rig than a PS4 pro). You also get a fully functional PC, a massive backwards compatible library and access to PC unique titles. The cost isn't going to be exactly the same, but neither is the resulting product either. Personally with how great the mid level GPU's are and the great deals. The problem is a lot of parts that would make it PS4/pro equivalent really, I would not tell people to buy because they are older parts that are outdated.
My point was that a video showing what a PC you can buy can do against a PS4Pro for people who have a limited budget would be far more useful. In this case, it's $400. I don't think anyone on a budget would care if something is "new" or "old" as long as it gets them the best bang for their buck.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Depends on what you classify as real 4k.
Aztechnology
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The pic wasn't meant for this thread, it was meant for the KS8000 which is why I have the offscreen pic. I'll take a quick screenshot.
Semantics, but yes it can do native 4096*2160p as well.
Aftermarket never means used. It means an in-place replacement for a similar part. In this case, the video card that replaces the old one.
User123456
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In all fairness, you can't play Sonic Generations, Metal Gear Rising or most of the PS4's own library in 4K on a PS4 Pro either. It was always going to be apples to oranges.
Aztechnology
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Generally, I agree with you, just for sake of longevity, the upfront cost ends up saving you in the long run. Especially now with moores law kind of at a slowdown, a current I7, like the 6700k which is on sale for $250 will last you a loooong time.
That's not to say a budget rig can't offer a phenomenal experience, I have several friends with rigs in the lower price range. it's just usually once you start looking at it, you go "well I could get more out my purchase by spending a little more here etc.)
Aztechnology
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Well generally it means native 4K resolution which is entirely dependent on the game.
Whoa what game is that?
AbandonedTrolley
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Looks Spacehulk'ish
You can always offset that price from ps+gwg subscription fee of a year plus saving huge on new games (where I live I can get a pc game for half to a third of the price of console games at launch)
Aztechnology
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Warhammer 40k: Space Marine.
Bout to take down this Waaagh.
I mean it's nothing special, but it's nice to be able to go have that backwards compatibility for this.
No thats not how it works, thats not how any of it works.
Sad Affleck
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I love these videos. It is fascinating to see what kind of performance a budget PC can offer or how much of a boost you can expect when putting a new graphics card in an old PC. The comparison to the PS4 Pro is also quite fair.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Modest PCs cranking out old games in 4k is great, although it depends on the quality of the UI scaling. Still, no need for remasters in many cases.
Melchiah
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The same applies in Finland, and the PC games aren't that much cheaper here, if you prefer to buy physical copies.
Jawbreaker
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YMMV: The Video.
I would usually advise against going for a budget PC, but the wealth of titles that can be played — including all the latest indies — still makes it a good value proposition if you've missed out on them.
I would usually advise against going for a budget PC, but the wealth of titles that can be played — including all the latest indies — still makes it a good value proposition if you've missed out on them.
Gen.Grievous
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Yup. In Europe you pay the Europe "tax" on top of your country's own VAT. Especially GPUs are much more expensive. Heck the 1060 in this vid alone costs 300+ euros in the Netherlands.Sadly the price only works in the US
https://nl.hardware.info/product/358548/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-g1-gaming-6gb
Yea this is a very US-centric project.Sadly the price only works in the US
GTX 1060 by itself is north of $350 here in Canada
:V
CrimsonSquall
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Honestly the one reason I'll never upgrade a pc isn't for $ specs, it's just the fact that exclusives will stay just that on playstation.
XB1 games are on pc now and thats stellar, but uncharted 4 is only on ps4
XB1 games are on pc now and thats stellar, but uncharted 4 is only on ps4
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
That's nice, but if you could render 6K checkerboard and downsample to 4K with similar performance then why wouldn't you do that?
I'm pretty sure he was talking about HDR.
Aztechnology
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Definitely, I mean, I can see where the image files for this guy are, so technically I could redo some of them myself, most of it is fine, but a few elements are a little stretched. But they aren't that bad here and you don't necessarily have access for all games. But this is from 2011, I haven't really tried anything much older than 2008/09.
No doubt we would love that. I love that slowly PC games are getting Dynamic resolution and I imagine checker-boarding will follow too. Some great tech born from necessity.
SmoothRunningGun
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These videos always seem pointless to me. You buy a console to play console exclusives. Doesn't matter how good the hardware is if it can't run the games I want to play. That's why I own both.
This tends to be my thought process, as well, albeit inverted. I tend to upgrade my PC first in order to get access to multiplats and PC exclusives (with all the performance and flexibility the environment entails). With consoles, I prefer to wait a few years until there's been a first hardware revision, or until there is a decent number of exclusives (since console versions of multiplats aren't a draw for me). This also informs my console purchase order, being generally Nintendo > Sony > Microsoft (although I have yet to buy an XBox, since the current generation tends to end before I get to the point where I both want the system and have the time / money to justify a purchase).
Yeah, budget PC building is silly here in Britain. You really need to have a budget of at least £700 or more if you want something that can be considered quite good, especially if you're factoring in OS and accessory costs.
XANDER CAGE
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Not everyone can afford both, and not everyone cares about exclusives. These kind of comparisons are helpful for people who are unsure what would be the best choice for them and don't particularly care about Uncharted or Halo or whatever the console they're also considering has.
nowheretorun
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Yeah he quoted in the video the Old Potato is still being kept
Shame really. I'd rather have one of these and my old ps4 than a pro.
= Skyrim Goodness with no shitty stutter plus I'd possibly give Witcher 3 a go too.
Yeah anything less than £700-800 just isn't worth it.
Opus Angelorum
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I can build the same system in the UK for £650, with new parts. If I could source aftermarket parts, I could drop it to £450/500.
Comes to £575, without the OS. You can save £60 by switching the 6GB 1060 for a 4GB RX470.
Bare in mind these parts could be found slightly cheaper elsewhere.
Comes to £575, without the OS. You can save £60 by switching the 6GB 1060 for a 4GB RX470.
Bare in mind these parts could be found slightly cheaper elsewhere.