bananafactory
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is this like their whole 'ready to talk' to indie devs thing re: the indie parity clause?
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Microsoft ready to talk to devs who want crossplay
- Thread starter ArtHands
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And the development community and gamers would benefit the most so all platform holders win period. Everyone would make more money.
MrGreencastle
Member
Everybody wins!
They wouldn't be singing this tune if they were market leaders. Sorry not genuine at all
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Ok. So.
Dreamwriter
Member
We really want to talk to these devs who want crossplay, so we can shut them down to their face!
Yearsoflurking
Member
Me as a consumer can careless because it benefits me, you shouldn't either
I mean, it's not Sony...
Actually they would be this is new management. They spent 2 billion on mine craft you think it would not have to cross play if Xbox was doing well lol? Always fun to listen to corporate defenders.
so?
Sony hasn't been very genuine either so it all evens out.
But you have to understand the business reasons why Sony doesn't want to do it. Every multiplatform game has a bigger community on their platform. So just throw away all that brand building away because MS says NOW is the time to do crossplay?
if developers who make games for Sony platforms want it and if consumers who bought into Sony's ecosystem want it?
yeah
Yet I don't believe it too. Sony has not once even used their playerbase to tout why they have no plans for crossplay between other systems which is strange. It's strange because at least it would make some sense compared to what they've been saying like protecting the children when Nintendo of all companies are on board with this.
Uno Venova
Banned
Microsoft is playing this beautifully.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Well that's based on a hypothetical scenario, and in actual fact its Sony who backpedaled now while everyone else is moving to multiple ways crossplay
I get where you are coming from but Nintendo NEEDS a online community and MS wants a piece of Sony's community. We don't see Sony or Valve crying about this I wonder why
MetalliCabombination
Member
Well i hope they succeed in convincing sony too if this is anything more than a pr move.
Can't wait for this thread to devolve into the same weekly bullshit.
Before we go ahead with it,lets all realize neither company is the good guy and theyre not doing favors to anyone but themselves. Sony isn't protecting the gamers and ms isnt going around approving all forms of crossplay(just recently they shut down cross play in lawbreakers). If theres enough people who want it, im sure sony will oblige under pressure. Ironically posting 4theplayers all over the thread will not do shit. That only serves to bring in people who defend the current situation.
Can't wait for this thread to devolve into the same weekly bullshit.
Before we go ahead with it,lets all realize neither company is the good guy and theyre not doing favors to anyone but themselves. Sony isn't protecting the gamers and ms isnt going around approving all forms of crossplay(just recently they shut down cross play in lawbreakers). If theres enough people who want it, im sure sony will oblige under pressure. Ironically posting 4theplayers all over the thread will not do shit. That only serves to bring in people who defend the current situation.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
What game would be the one to get Sony to back the fuck down from their bullshit? Destiny? CoD? Would/could Sony push their marketing deals to lock those down from going cross-plat?
Also, MS should re-float their idea of a shared re-release of Goldeneye with Nintendo, but now with cross-play.
Also, MS should re-float their idea of a shared re-release of Goldeneye with Nintendo, but now with cross-play.
Idk, maybe. This new xbox leadership group seems to be doing what is right for the gamer more times than not. The previous xbox group would probably never do cross network play but this group seems to actually give a shit about their customers.
fluffydelusions
Member
I wish Capcom would do it for MvC:I...PC really needs crossplay for fighting games IMO
Dude, we get it, they want the advantage of the biggest community, but youre defending someone who claimed they are not allowing cross-play because it would harm children.
Thats genuine?
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I read it and I still don't get it. Outside of Nintendo which is obviously the outlier here, what is currently stopping xbox and Pc? Isn't that already cross play and aren't devs who want it already doing it? Like I'm confused
CadetMahoney
Member
The Albatross
Member
When corporations do things that are anti-consumer, we call them out on it.
When corporations do something that are pro-consumer, we question "how genuine their motivations are." Like, not only do you have to do the right thing, but you also have to have motivations that are as pure as freshly fallen snow.
Everybody gets Sony's "business reasons," nobody doesn't understand that. It's that Sony's business reasons are anti-consumer bull shit, and as a consumer, I don't give a shit about "their business reasons," I give a shit about their platform being a more compelling consumer product, which it is if it supports cross-platform online play.
It's like we have this suddenly great opportunity in the videogame space for universal cross-platform play, and rather than people universally being like, "Yes, let's do this," some people become armchair investors that need to justify the corporate incentives for a billion dollar company, instead of simple consumers.
*edit*
Also there is some slight chance that making better features for your console is a good business decision.
Flame Lord
Member
What are these business reasons you're talking about?
Yearsoflurking
Member
Yes as a consumer i can careless what sony wants, we decide how they're going to keep the lights on. Anti consumer decisions like this shouldn't be defended
I know thry have been pushing for it, but Jesus at the bolded. Still, I get where you're coming from aswell, but neither Sony or Valve own anything like Minecraft. The game is on everything with a large fractured userbase and split development. Well, not anymore.
JershJopstin
Banned
Why should we care if Sony wants it or not? I really can't understand this angle.
And, afaik, Nintendo has actually been silent on the matter, despite playing along. The kind of games that could be cross-network on their platform aren't integral to their strategy anyway. They help them, sure, but at the end of the day they value their exclusives and the uniqueness of their platform above all else.
LukasTaves
Member
FF 14 is no longer about crossplay but rather due skipping certification.
Unless it's Sony, it seems
This "if microsoft was the leader they would do the same!!" argument is baffling. If they did, they would deserve the same treatment. But they aren't. It's Sony now, it can be Microsoft in the future, hell even Nintendo in bizarro world, the one doing it doesnt matter one bit, what matters is standing for the side who benefits you as a consumer.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Except now they will have the smallest player base.
Steam + Xbox + Switch > PlayStation.
Aside from that, who the hell actually cares about the business reasons? It's bad for the consumer, full-stop. That's what matters.
yeah I was talking the console to console crossplay which your post seemed to indicate you had missed
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Sony is so stupid. If I was in charge I'd just say "ok but your users need to make PSN accounts because that's the only way we can get it to work the way our system is set up".
If MS says no they'd be able to PR it as MS not being genuine about crossplay. If MS says ok they've now just added millions of new PSN accounts. Win-win.
But nah stupid Sony is just gonna stick with "but but what about the children?!"
If MS says no they'd be able to PR it as MS not being genuine about crossplay. If MS says ok they've now just added millions of new PSN accounts. Win-win.
But nah stupid Sony is just gonna stick with "but but what about the children?!"
This comes up in every thread about cross-play. So what? None of that changes the fact that I want cross-play. I don't really care in which companies best interests it is or isn't, as a gamer and a consumer it's in my best interest. People want to act like cross-play would all of a sudden tank Sony's gaming division -_-.
which would easily be debunked by rocket league anyway
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Not really. Sony could always just say what they can do in their development studio setting is different than our actual backend. Nobody controls PSN but Sony so nobody could really definitively debunk anything.
Not really how? Rocket league devs already said they had everything ready for crossplay except for sony saying "yes", without needing to use XBL or PSN accounts in any sense. Sure, Sony could say they didn't say yes because they needed the accounts in the end, but it would be an easily spotted lie which would backfire on them.
This would be terrible.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
What does that mean "without needing to use XBL or PSN?" I don't think that's true at all. Neither console let's you go online and play a game without using an account.
Felix Lighter
Member
Sony has business reasons to make consumer unfriendly decisions. Get off their back! Microsoft's decision to give gamers and devs what they want benefits them so they are the real villain here, don't you see!?
Without needing one side to have all XBL accounts or all PSN accounts. My bad.
A single console future would be my ideal gaming dream for an ideal world. Realistically? Yeah I imagine it would go to shit pretty quickly.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I see. But I'm saying Sony could just make some excuse like if that's done it'll cause havoc to their backend when players show up in matchmaking without some sort of PSN identifier. There's no way to definitively prove they're lying short of someone who works in Sony debunking it.
In any case it's a better lie than "but the children!"
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
What you're suggesting doesn't make sense. There's no technical reason for Sony to require PSN for other developers games on other platforms for cross-play to work. So no, that wouldn't be reasonable.
The only reason MS requires an "Xbox" account for Minecraft is because the entire concept of their implementation requires a centralized account system, and as the developer and publisher of the game they naturally use their own, existing account system. For PlayStation players, if they were to get Minecraft cross-play, they'd still be going through PSN primarily, with the XBL login being used for authentication to access your cross-platform friend's list, custom servers, paid content, etc..
For other developers they could use the same system if they were to implement a service with similar needs (if Destiny were to go cross-play, expect the exact same system, only with Bungie.net replacing XBL). Or, they can implement a simple matchmaking system and leave it at that, a la Rocket League.
Neither scenario requires Sony to do anything other than just say "ok". There are no technical requirements on their end. Hell, Rocket League is literally ready to go NOW, they just need the okay, then they can click a literal box and in minutes people would be playing together.
