Your edit is the potential concern. Read my other posts, I'm not belaboring this
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Microsoft ready to talk to devs who want crossplay
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Your edit is the potential concern. Read my other posts, I'm not belaboring this
Seriously. Microsoft is just doing lip service at the moment. Nothing more.
Is that due to MS at this point? Or will SE only allow it at this point if it's crossplay between all platforms (which Sony is going to say No to)
SpiceMelange
Member
You are aware companies aren't there to act out of kindness, right?
DwightSchruting
Member
N/A
What a well thought out and insightful post
It will be both.
First MS because of their requirements/policies to enable crossplay i.e Requirement of always having an option to disable it and patch rollout there could of course but more we don't know being the scenes. Sony is a slight different issue because of stance towards cross console play but it's not what is fundamentally stopping it from coming to Xbox.
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To note FF14 isn't the only game that has had similar problems - DC universe online is another
Microsoft brings out so much salt that consumers are against something that could potentially better gaming overall. It's a sight to see.
The article suggest differently than what you are saying
Sure but it's not discussing all the factors and it directly states MS is still the barrier with their certification requirements in that piece. As far as am aware the PS4/PC implementation ATM doesn't let you disable crossplay and it wouldn't work well with an MMO sharing the same server. Ultimately the fact that Xbox must always have an option to disable crossplay is going to be a barrier in cases like this.
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😉. It does in the full interview on kotaku.
Gotcha. I missed your point previously.
EDIT: Does it talk about the certification requirements? Or am I failing reading comprehension?
Let's discuss what's really important: is that D Fish in your avy? If so, we fam.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
MS just want the fame of being known outside of the US, Sony would be crazy to support them by having Xbox blab appear on some of their games.
That's some Trojan horse level shit.
Oh please expand on this.
GuitarAtomik
Member
So Minecraft is out for you. What about all the other games?
So fucking what? They are doing it right now so does it matter if they are the market leader or not? Or is it only a good thing if it's not them doing it?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Which parts? It kind of reads for itself.
😀
Actually my gameface, but fish was that dude way back when. We good.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
...and?
Ah yes Sony shareholders are logging on to explain why this is not good for gamers. Please explain
It reads as a hyperbolic shitpost
Sad Affleck
Member
I'm so glad that both developers and console manufacturers are pushing for this. Crossplay for every genre except shooters should always be enabled by default, there's no reason not to do it. Crossplay on shooters should also be allowed as an option, something like "Player pool: Xbox / Console / All."
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Nah, I bet if MS removed the requirement to login with a live account and replaced it with a handshake between servers then Sony would be much more comfortable with it.
Maybe someone should petition that?
Sony's stance is that they are protecting the kids.
Goodacre0081
Member
the FF14 situation is such a clusterfuck.
first, MS demanded that the XB1 players had their own servers much like ESO. SE then decided to pass on that version. fast forward to today and we now have Sony turning their nose up at cross-play. what happens here? how does SE make a XB1 version while keeping Sony's policy in check?
I said it in the last thread about cross-play. developers and publishers need to make a strong push for this and tell Sony that their game might skip PS4 if they don't budge on this issue. obviously they wont pass up a user base of 60million PS4s but I dont see how Sony changes their mind here. shit, Sony is ignoring their own userbase on this too.
see how fast they open up if R* requires cross-play for GTA6
first, MS demanded that the XB1 players had their own servers much like ESO. SE then decided to pass on that version. fast forward to today and we now have Sony turning their nose up at cross-play. what happens here? how does SE make a XB1 version while keeping Sony's policy in check?
I said it in the last thread about cross-play. developers and publishers need to make a strong push for this and tell Sony that their game might skip PS4 if they don't budge on this issue. obviously they wont pass up a user base of 60million PS4s but I dont see how Sony changes their mind here. shit, Sony is ignoring their own userbase on this too.
see how fast they open up if R* requires cross-play for GTA6
Sad Affleck
Member
Those who benefit the most are gamers and developers. That should be all we care about. Why should I care about the business interests of a giant corporation?
GuitarAtomik
Member
This might be a valid concern except for the fact that literally every other game than Minecraft doesn't require a Live account. Explain those.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
The Live login is required because the entire Better Together update is built around the concept of a centralized account system, allowing for a shared, cross-platform friends list, cross-platform access to your servers/worlds/player states, cross-platform DLC purchase histories, and a centralized user authentication and identification system. It's not an arbitrary requirement or a ploy to get users to make new MS accounts. It needs a centralized account, and as developer and publisher of the game they naturally use an MS account as that core account.
This clearly is not the primary issue anyway, as Sony also blocked crossplay on Rocket League, which has no account requirements whatsoever. And when pressed, they've given entirely different reasoning for the block. The login "issue" has only ever been a fan explanation, and it was never a very good one.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
I have dreamed of a cross play internet gaming future for a VERY long time. I wish every single game , even on PC and console, could have cross play; controls be damned.
But lets be real here, only the console devs in "last place" will ever push for cross play. That's why Microsoft is doing it right now. Not only that but their plan to tie in xbox with Windows is another a reason they're talking about it so much. I would've liked Microsoft to have pushed for cross play a long time ago, but I suppose for whatever reason it's good they're talking about it now. Hopefully Sony decides it's really "for the players" and Nintendo is cool if they have any future potential cross platform titles.
But lets be real here, only the console devs in "last place" will ever push for cross play. That's why Microsoft is doing it right now. Not only that but their plan to tie in xbox with Windows is another a reason they're talking about it so much. I would've liked Microsoft to have pushed for cross play a long time ago, but I suppose for whatever reason it's good they're talking about it now. Hopefully Sony decides it's really "for the players" and Nintendo is cool if they have any future potential cross platform titles.
BananasWithGuns
Member
You know we've reached a sad state of affairs when I can't tell if you're just fucking around or not.
Okay, Microsoft isn't "forcing" anything on anybody. They are merely giving developers the option to allow cross play with their platform, which is Windows Store & Xbox.
I don't want to play against M&KB users in competitive either, it's why I don't game on PC lol. However I wouldn't mind playing with PC users on raids in Destiny, or co-op in Gears of War 4.
And some genre's like Puyo Puyo Tetris, Rocket League (I know it supports it), FIFA, 2K, etc. would be great to have cross play on.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Sony didn't say the login is the issue though
People being able to play together is a good thing. Not that every developer will want to do this, not that every game can handle it logistically or in programming.
This makes sense. Other than maybe the Sidewinder game pad back in the mid-90s, what is Microsoft known for at all in the world?
Such a little known company.
This makes sense. Other than maybe the Sidewinder game pad back in the mid-90s, what is Microsoft known for at all in the world?
Such a little known company.
MetalliCabombination
Member
On the flipside, do you think r* will go so far as to not release the next gta on the largest userbase just to have some ease of server management?
They have way more to lose than to gain.
Gta online has existed just fine so far... Why would they risk losses over this?
Lets be real, the ONLY party to gain significantly from this are gamers, and one sided gains usually dont end up working out long term.
Well see how this goes but right now were just running in circles.
Lol i hope im not giving pubs cross play dlc ideas lmao
That's not all sides. I know it's always M$ vs $ony, xbots and sony ponies going at each others throats, but there are normal people who own an xbox/ps4 who'd like to play with their friends on those consoles aswell.
Liliana Eileen
Member
The most pathetic part about this is that you're probably not joking.
This argument will never not be shitty. Ever.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Who the flying fuck cares.
It really isn't. Sony's refusal to back crossplay will lead to an ever-increasing amount of multiplayer games that will be objectively inferior on Sony platforms, a list that already includes one of the most popular games of all time. Further, by being seen as the sole obstacle to all-platform crossplay, Sony is hurting the goodwill they garnered at the beginning of the generation, and is likewise refusing the goodwill that they could have gained by cooperating with this initiative. Long-term, this is exactly the kind of thing that will hurt them with both players and developers, and will likely serve as a handicap going into next generation.
Manwhile, the downsides of playing along are...?
Perhaps not in the short-term. But it will. And it will be good for everyone.
SanguineShark
Member
Sony's reluctance to do this makes the "4theplayers" slogan ring real hollow.
If enough games start to do crossplay between Switch/Xbox/PC, PS4's community will end up the smallest and worst off.
If enough games start to do crossplay between Switch/Xbox/PC, PS4's community will end up the smallest and worst off.
justsomeguy
Member
Here's the thing though, crossplay at the moment is just random match making slots filled by random people . That's a completely different ballgame (both politically and in engineering terms) from cross-platformn friends, parties, etc. Would be dead nice though!
Head.spawn
Junior Member
This game will forever be the wrench in the spokes of conversation of this particular game for a couple reasons:
It's already on PS/PC, right? Yoshida wants all platforms to be crossplatform play and from your link it sounds like he wants to avoid having certification maybe?
Well, that's all well and good except for the part where Sony never really intended on having any crossplay with Xbox, ever. All of their talk about crossplay is what pushed third party developers to come at MS about it and they changed their mindset, but this particular game since it was crossplay with Sony first, it'll never be crossplay with Xbox as long as Sony holds that stance.
So that is two requirements that Yoshida wants, but at the moment only one of them MS could realistically make happen on their own. If Sony doesn't budge, the game won't get made on Xbox.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
PR obviously
Which?
Rocket League on PS4 supports crossplay
with PC
Ok
No, I was just taking a stab, it is likely one issue though.
Minecraft.
Ha
I have a PC, Xbox One and PS4 and I'm happy with the player bases as they are. Most of my friends that I see on a regular basis don't really game that much online so it makes no odds If I play with different people on the same network than different people on several networks.
Also I hate to break it to the people championing crossplay as some kind of feature that would define a generation or somehow ruin an entertainment division but it's really quite minimal, people in the grand scheme of things just do not care, as opposed to actually having games to play on there console of choice, that's what people care about most.
Also I hate to break it to the people championing crossplay as some kind of feature that would define a generation or somehow ruin an entertainment division but it's really quite minimal, people in the grand scheme of things just do not care, as opposed to actually having games to play on there console of choice, that's what people care about most.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
The Minecraft Better Together update does support cross-platform friends lists, so that's already here. (No voice chat however.)
Solid work
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Let's be honest here, gamers are the ones that benefit the most. Developers also benefit by being encouraged to spend development dollars and resources on extra platforms and retaining a wider audience overall.
The platform holders generally strive for a closed ecosystem (business asshattery 101), the times they are a changing. As for thinking a platform opening up is anything but a good thing is beyond me mate.