Pathfinder
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Oh come now. You would have to avoid just about every video game website and blog on the Internet to not know about Xbox One BC.
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MS: "gamers have spent more than 100M total hours playing Backward Compatible games"
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Oh come now. You would have to avoid just about every video game website and blog on the Internet to not know about Xbox One BC.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
You'd be surprised to learn that most casual gamers don't visit gaming websites and blogs at all...
Devilgunman
Member
Majority of people do just that.
Don't you dare try and paint an entirely pro-consumer feature as a desirable thing for some
(Tbh i seriously don't understand the mentality of detractors here)
(Oh wait, I do)
(Oh wait, I do)
Bear Force One
Banned
That's the amount of consoles vs the expense of making it. Use it or not it's not big deal.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Ok read these parts of your post including the first sentence.
Now......
How many people are in the preview program? The same numbers as "millions and millions?" The same number as your "Halo 3 12 million user base?"
You stated your casual friends don't even know it's possible......I bet they knew about Halo 3.
So I do agree with your point......context matters
Fox and grapes syndrome
Chobel
Member
Eh, if these servers aren't being used (idle state) then they won't consume that much energy.
Some of it is that. I mean I own a PS4 and wish Sony was more proactive somehow on this front. They could be if they really wanted to.
Some are MS haters just shit posting
Some are people who are truly skeptical which is ok
We don't know about the details on how they put servers to sleep and the Cell parts of the hardware but the datacenter has to be designed so that every server can be used to its max which is costly. Not to mention that rackspace, network costs, port costs, air-conditioning cost and all this stuff is expensive.
No wonder PSNow is quite expensive. People also pay for the services for the datacenter that are not used.
DanielJr82
Member
I installed and am currently playing Portal 2 BC... over Fallout 4 and Overwatch. People here are just hating on the feature.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I'll tell you what it means, it means that backwards compatibility is available on Xbox One. That's a good feature for their product and this is a headline that's ready for journalists to tweet when they promote an article they've written about it.
Microsoft are drawing attention to a feature of their system. I think that's OK.
PSNow is IMO one of the worst things this gen.
I really hope it doesn't gain traction as I'm worried about the future implications
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Indeed, and we don't have enough.
Simply put, a year of power users using BC, add in everyone who "gave it a spin" for an hour or 3, and you (likely)have your 100 million hours.
Just skeptical most users are using BC a ton.
That's fine, I love it, I use it, but I think I am in the minority.
Not sure what 'skeptical' even means in this context. the number likely isn 't fake (why would it be), and BC itself isn't like some rumor or myth.
YoshiMax
Member
I'm sure your concern has been noted.
Bear Force One
Banned
It isn't "fake". It's debatable if it's good bad or somewhere in the middle.
Chobel
Member
How is that different than any other server data-center? I mean "We don't know about the details". Or maybe you're saying Sony can't design scalable server network for shit?
And it's expensive because all the game code is running on servers.
I would love that as well, if I could put 3D Game Dot Heroes in my PS4 and play it for free, that'd be a nice situation
Yeah and they have the subtlety of a flying screaming brick
And those who are truly skeptical is fine, but it takes 5 seconds to differentiate a shitposter from a skeptic, I think its fine for people to come in and discuss the numbers, but the people who barge in screaming "See, its useless I swear!" absolutely makes no sense
To clarify:
Skeptical as in being a meaningful number (the 100M hours)
Yes what he said
TBiddy
Member
Out of curiosity - how many hours would you deem "good"?
Its a fine stance to take.
But also for most of 2015 there weren't that many BC games available.
The only ones of interest to me was the ones from Rare Replay and Mass Effect. That's also some thing to take into context
Pathfinder
Member
I never finished it, so I'm looking forward to playing it a second time AND finishing it this time.
Most owners aren't even going to use it. They're good numbers.
I'm baffled around the negativity in here, people love to downplay positive statements don't they?
Only ones from MS
Well then, freely look at my post giving some perspective relative to a major game release to get some math behind it.
I would napkinmath that 5 hours per user on average is equivilent to every user having 1 or 2 more games in their collection in terms of playtime. we already know that most people don't even come close to finishing games they buy, and a campaign in your average non-open world/rpg style game is probably around 10 hours.
It's crazy to me for anyone to downplay numbers like that. For example, that's almost surely more hours per user than any single Xbox One game has besides MAYBE Halo 5. Ditto for PS4 games.
Like it doesnt have to be an MS hugbox, theyve given some numbers that'll spark different debates and thats completely okay, but when its the same people coming in with the same strawgrasping arguments putting down XB1 BC, its getting a bit too...obvious? If you know what i mean.
Never said it was a bad number myself. Just saying some are skeptical........
It is not different but I think only a few people know about costs of a datacenter. I also don't say Sony can't design scalable networks for huge computing demands but I think they adopted what was there in terms of knowledge from Gaikai.
The difference is that current x86 tech is easily able to scale down frequencies and in total power usage when not needed, combined with a lot of logic with SDN. AFAIK this does not apply to Cell and I don't know how much Sony uses SDN at all. I only know the benefits to have that in a dc, though.
Pathfinder
Member
It is, and it does.
Sony sells PS2 on PS4 games in their store though, so they won't let us play them for free.
Caayn
Member
Exactly, that's why I'm curious about PS Now numbers.
To be fair people love to downplay things that they themselves don't find worthwhile or like.
The PS4 is powerful enough to do both PS1 and PS2 with ease. But it looks like Sony is going down to road of requiring a fee instead of honouring past purchases in their ecosystem.
They already do but you have to pay for every game because they add trophies to the games.
Well they can get away with it, I hate it but I did buy Dark Cloud from them, they got me there
I don't mean to be insulting, but the metrics put out by MS, and on amazon are just not impressive to me, and still does not buck the narrative that BC is generally not used anywhere near on a scale large enough to justify investing into it outside of goodwill to consumers and to maybe keep a few invested into the ecosystem.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would say that BC was bad as an option if given the choice. But its just not that big a deal for most.
Pathfinder
Member
I'll admit, I broke down and re-bought all the PS2 GTA games.
They were on sale, I couldn't resist.
So if PS5 is not bc with PS4 and PS4neo, nobody will care about it? Doubtful.
Chobel
Member
So same as before, Sony can't design scalable server network for shit? I mean you can't figure out how to do it, so Sony also can't do it, right?
The question isn't if anybody will care, but if "most" will care
Backfoggen
Banned
0 Minutes spent in DR1 so the number is useless.
Did you look at my quickie math above? Because to me it's saying that BC has a higher 'attach rate' than even the best selling games out there. Maybe I'm crazy. Considering we're talking about old ass games, that's pretty damn impressive.
I almost did but refuse.
I won't unless they do something more reasonable-likeI do find what Nintendo is doing with WiiU VC reasonable if you owned it on the Wii VC.
And I won't use PSNow.
though if they ever put Demon's Souls on there I would probably break
I can't figure out how to do what? Actually, I know how to design dc's, from power to network to racks to servers. That's why I'm curious. I don't say Sony can't do it but Cell is not x86 for people who don't know that which seems to include you. I am gladly proven otherwise and I am glad if someone shows me different power states of what the Cell can do in the Gaikai dc's and how their network is.
I only know that there are many, many pitfalls people usually run in when building this sort of infrastructure.
But this is off-topic - if you want to discuss it further, drop me a pm.
I don't think that's a good comparison, considering the fact that the iterative consoles are on the horizon. They are clearly a shift to keeping each ecosystem together, so carrying your games over to PS5 and whatever is after Scorpio would make sense by default.
However, at this current point in time, consumers are used to starting over with no general BC, and so a limited version of BC like what MS is offering on a case by case basis is going to have a very limited impact, to the point where most people aren't going to care.
Sony got away with no general BC because of that very reason, its just not a make or break feature at this point in time.
Of course! If Sony doesn't see any profit in that, fine. They made a lot of remasters of last gen titles for PS4 and it seems they sold well so Sony could of course say "why let people play the games they already have instead of having them pay again?".