toastyToast
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I really don't want to buy another PS3 game but I don't think I'll be able to wait more than a couple weeks for the PC version. Come on From
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New previews for Dark Souls II
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Sanctuary
Member
Did you even read what I said? Even a standard port is going to be better than the port of the first Dark Souls. Them delaying it could be for any number of reasons. And I don't doubt the game will be running at 60fps eventually, it just won't be out of the box consistently. It would be pretty fucking hard to mistranslate what was said in the Edge interview though. I guess "maybe" really meant "most definitely!" and "low priority" meant "low priority for console, because it's highest priority on PC!".
The only thing I could think of is that "slightly better" (which again, is probably a mis-translation in this context) would be a locked 30fps, without dips. But that would make no sense either, considering the 60fps promotional material they've released.
Nope, he's just trying to be dismissive and confrontational. The game will be 60fps on PC and you're being incredibly naive if you think otherwise.
There was slowdown in the ruins too. I remember running past the first few ghosts, dropping down to climb the ladder, and if a ghost followed you (which it almost always did) it would be a slide show for a bit.
That said, I still love the game. Best of the generation.
I'd love it if there was no slowdown, but I'm going to play it with or without.
That said, I still love the game. Best of the generation.
I'd love it if there was no slowdown, but I'm going to play it with or without.
I don't even know what that means. Either it runs at a target 60FPS out of the box, or it doesn't. If you have the PC muscle, then you can sustain it. If not, then it drops. This isn't anything new in PC games.
I think my GTX 780 will be OK, personally.
Haunted
Member
Whether From is capable of delivering a competent version or the modding community will have to step up and fix their shit for them - the important part is that we'll get what we want eventually.
After experiencing the modded Dark Souls, I can't imagine playing Dark Souls II without a smooth framerate and properly showing off the work of their talented texture artists. Just doesn't feel right.
After experiencing the modded Dark Souls, I can't imagine playing Dark Souls II without a smooth framerate and properly showing off the work of their talented texture artists. Just doesn't feel right.
Yeah, it's not like FROM software haven't been mis-interpreted in the past at all, right?
The game will be 60fps. Unless their trailer/PR team are the only ones with access to a special build that runs at 60fps, heh.
Sanctuary
Member
LMFAO. Just remember you said this once it's finally released. I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing with you anyway, it's pretty obvious you're entirely biased and not even trying to be objective at all.
Did you even read that, or did you just do a quick search for a random article that you thought would be useful ammunition for your cause? If you even read what was written, that doesn't actually prove that From was actually mistranslated at all.
The game is actually so badly optimised they use a render farm for their trailers.
SiegfriedFM
Member
This got me thinking. Is it a coincidence that the two major slowdown areas both have flying enemies, with an aggro range roughly proportionate to how severe the problems are? Is 3D pathfinding the main problem perhaps?
The only thing i can say is "we'll see when the game will come out".
I really hope that Edge interview was a "slighty" mistake and it will run at 60FPS
If I'm biased, it's because I've read enough past material and actually SEEN the game run at 60fps in promotional trailers to make an objective judgement about it. You're letting a single interview in Edge skew what we've known about the PC version for almost a year now.
But hey, I try not to get upset about things like this. We'll see in 2 months regardless.
Yep IIRC it was confirmed that the frame-rate problems in New Londo and Blighttown were caused by pathfinding/AI routines.
BTW the latest previews on the OP state that the frame-rate at least from what they played was smooth so let's hope that the case for the whole game.
DistortionOfReality
Member
YES this. Love DeS and DaS but I would really like to hear something from some of the more.... human.... bosses. Classic bit of monologue about the reason they are trying to stop you would really bring more character to the world.
Is that after beating it for the first time or doing New Game + 20?
fIxed (atleast for me).
Well after ENB's musing and this preview from PCWorld I've heard all I need to.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2092...w-i-died-8-times-in-an-hour-and-loved-it.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2092...w-i-died-8-times-in-an-hour-and-loved-it.html
Sounds reasonable. I'm trying to think of other enemies that might use 3D pathfinding. All I can think of are the exploding skeleton-head bombs in the catacombs.
I don't remember experiencing much slowdown in the catacomb, though.
It would be cool if that WERE the problem, and if they fixed it - we could potentially see lot more "flying" enemies.
Edit: Dark Souls reminds me of Stephen King's "Gunslinger" - the world has moved on, and you're just one last person fighting the good fight, trying to make things right.
eot
Banned
The ghosts don't need much pathfinding since they can just fly straight at you through walls. In Blighttown I don't imagine it's the mosquitoes that are the problem either, it's just that the geometry is very complex in general. Afaik the mosquitoes don't really path around obstacles, they tend to get stuck in shit.
Red Liquorice
Member
It's going to be so difficult to stay spoiler free over the next few weeks :/
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
You need Xbox Live Gold to play any multiplayer online game on the 360. Why would this one be different? If you don't have gold, you can't go online.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
"Yo"? at the end :lol
Ghost_Protocol
Member
I think its actually the water/liquid rendering that causes the slowdown in blightown and the ruins.
It's likely a cut out sentence that starts with "You".
He was just making the console version not seem too inferior in comparison. Do you believe there's a 35 or 40 FPS lock in the PC version or something? Of course it will be at 60fps easily on PC and even much more if modders unlock the cap if there is one.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Haha yeah that makes sense.
Then gain I shall try to conquer this offline world. Too bad, I was looking forward to some sort of online fun time.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Game of 2014 confirmed, I can't even think about it right now as it makes waiting all the more difficult.
Do you have a PS3? That one is free online.
They were just hyping the game up. There's no way any build of the game will look close to the CG trailer.
Then that's more than enough for me too! His Dark Souls lore videos are the most in depth vids I've seen! He has that perfect narration voice! Glad I got my collector's edition pre order paid off!
I'm not so sure of that after playing the Definitive Edition of Tomb Raider. It can be done for next gen.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If they weren't just totally bullshitting for hype, I would imagine they saw a very polished slice of a very incomplete game on a PC devkit which then had to be toned down as more content was added.
Based on all the recent previews, the asset fidelity just isn't there. Some of the areas look like junk. And the Souls series has always had a drab, simplistic aesthetic to some extent. It's not known for its graphics, even though people love the way it looks now because of the association with how great a game it is. If it was a mediocre game, everyone would readily say it looked terrible, too.
Tomb Raider had much more complex geometry even on last gen, no doubt aided by semi-linearity and a bigger budget for visuals.
Or maybe it reads save files if you play any games considered dudebro to appeal more.
Gillian Seed
Banned
Have they mentioned if there is a easy mode? I don't have the patience or interest for tough games like I did growing up on the NES.
People love the way it looks because there is an incredible amount of artistry in everything. The armour and weapons are gorgeous. The architecture is inspiring or ominous in turns. The monsters are excellent and the bosses. Oh the bosses.
There is a big difference between rendering horsepower and beautiful design. Souls games are decent with the former and brilliant with the later. That's why people say they love the way it looks.
Dark Souls is meant to be experienced online and an Easy mode would quickly break that delicate balance.
The difficulty is honestly overblown.
did you play the first one?
The CG trailer is miles ahead of anything current video games are capable of though. Even TR isn't close and that's with a bigger budget.
Of course there isn't an easy mode.
Red Liquorice
Member
Easy mode is co-op. Other than that, you're out of luck. No patience or interest = this isn't for you.
There is no easy mode.
To the people who put their trust into ENB's words: why? What else is he going to say?
- He is a huge fan of the Souls games (like many of us) and just like everyone else, he could be blinded by the new.
- He earns money with streaming these games
- He is actively involved in the production of a Souls-game related product.
I'm not saying he is untrustworthy or that he is lying or anything. I'm just saying that he wouldn't say anything else at this point. Whether this Souls game is better or worse than its predecessors will reveal itself in the months after release, of course.
- He is a huge fan of the Souls games (like many of us) and just like everyone else, he could be blinded by the new.
- He earns money with streaming these games
- He is actively involved in the production of a Souls-game related product.
I'm not saying he is untrustworthy or that he is lying or anything. I'm just saying that he wouldn't say anything else at this point. Whether this Souls game is better or worse than its predecessors will reveal itself in the months after release, of course.
Don't play this game then. Simple.
Cloud Strife
Member
They saw the game running on a laptop, I don't know if there's any footage of the PC version yet?