Veritigo_X
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He's busy working on his game, we'll see his trailer in a few weeks and bitch about lack of gameplay.
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No Man's Sky Gameplay Trailer (PSX)
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He's busy working on his game, we'll see his trailer in a few weeks and bitch about lack of gameplay.
Everything seems to be at a very small scale. Small planets, take off and instantly you're into space, another 5 seconds and you're into the next planet. Seems very crowded together. Arcade, like someone mentioned earlier. Not too much science related things going on.
Pretty sure they've said planets are realistic sizes
The game is meant to be very simplistic and relatively fast paced. So no Kerbal Style Planets here...
Well, what are you waiting for?
You can get funding from a company like Sony and multiple magazine covers with a few weeks' work. Get to it!
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Someone gif the universe part please.
Drunkensamurai
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so is this a PS4 console exclusive?
SavoyPrime
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Hoping this does well. Looks quite ambitious. I know I'll be picking it up.
No I want to see how and why exploration is interesting. If by hour two you've parsed the palette swaps and the creature generation all that's left is moving forward for a long time.
Journey was great not only because of the exploration and tone but because the movement felt interesting and expressive.
Same reason defrag is fun - why play an arena shooter without the shooting? Because it's mechanically challenging and thus engaging.
Minecraft's exploration was interesting because of risk/reward and being able to view the terrain with an eye for creation.
No Man's Sky needs to show that because at the moment their trailers assume familiarity with the systems and info mentioned in this thread. If you're not following the game closely then I guess some text shows up when landing on an empty platform on a barren world. Zzzzzzz.
TheLostBigBoss
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Pimpbaa
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Not every game has to be made for you.
thomasmahler
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No, I'm fascinated reading all these comments. Obviously I'm coming off as 'a little' too aggressive here, but my bullshit meter is going crazy at this point when it comes to this game and the way the developers kinda misled gamers and the press about it is really mind boggling.
Whenever Molyneux talks crazy about his game ideas, people are skeptical and want to see what he's actually doing. And here we see the same kinda case. If they're making Space Proteus, great, then that's what you're doing and there's value in that. Lots of people will still dig it. But they've gone out saying this and that, yet they've never SHOWN anything.
To me, this whole thing isn't any different to this video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gAbgBu8R4
And we know what Notch said about it back then. I apologize if I'm coming across like an asshole in this thread, but at this point, I'm just hugely skeptical about what they're doing and how they're intentionally or unintentionally misleading gamers and the press about what they're working on.
Admiral Woofington
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bananafactory
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Why are people so confused about the game?
Your goal is to get to the center of the universe. That's what the game is about. How is that a walking simulator?
Your goal is to get to the center of the universe. That's what the game is about. How is that a walking simulator?
Shining Sunshine
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Chaos2Frozen
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That's fine and all but what about your game that you said could be made in a week...?
What people seem to have a hard time digesting is that this is a game where exploration is the progression. Resources are gained to explore further and the more you explore the higher your rank is.
Everyone is so barinwashed to think there is no gameplay here unless the player is holding a big gun and blowing stuff up.
Everyone is so barinwashed to think there is no gameplay here unless the player is holding a big gun and blowing stuff up.
It's been explained many times in interviews that while some of it is intentional to provide a better gameplay experience, they are purposely finding areas that are jammed together for presentation purposes.
Maybe if they add some collectibles!
Pimpbaa
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Jesus fucking Christ, read the goddamn thread. There is a huge post in the first page telling you what you can do.
AvoidDaNoid
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Yeah....and your goal in Penn and Teller's Desert Bus game is to get to Las Vegas. The game was terrible.
People want to see actually mechanics. I do too and don;t blame them for wanting to see them.
People have read...."you gather resources...blah blah" but we haven't seen how this works and even one example of it. All we have seen is a camera swooping around in neat locations
TheLostBigBoss
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...Except the tech is real and we've just seen a half an hour interview that shows it off, and a trailer that shows a new planet being discovered for just that trailer.
I'm confused. Are you bitching about the tech, or the "lack of gameplay" being shown?
Zomba13
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If he can knock out a prototype in a week then I don't know why he's sceptical. If what they are doing is so easy then why is it hard to believe? If the problem is something like shooting mechanics then why is that also hard to believe? We've seen so many shooters, that seems something easy to do too.
If it's the tech then we've had the 30 min Game Informer video with Murray explaining a bunch of the tech and showing off the generation of the planet, ships and animals even showing us a few varieties.
Even if it was an hour long of shooting and grenades and explosions and killer robots people would be asking "but wheres the game? Is this just an FPS? *Yawn* we've got too many of those".
Veritigo_X
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The thing is, the crazy stuff is what they are showing in these trailers. If Molyneux was talking about his game having quests and combat would your 'bullshit meter' continue to go wild? Probably not since these are basic gameplay ideas that hundreds of other games have. What if he was talking about having a huge universe to explore but only showed combat and quests for one single area? I think it would be appropriate to question the game idea if this were the case.
Miles Quaritch
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And that's fair enough. It won't be to everyone's tastes.
No, he's right, and plenty of people do it as a hobby. Just look up "procedural planet" on youtube. The procedural ships and creatures are kinda more complex but procedural planets are on the easy side of procedural generation and any 3d programmer worth his salt can get a generator going in a matter of weeks.
No, see, that's actually pretty reassuring, because what gets on the bad side of most programmers regarding unlimited detail is we know exactly what they're talking about and it doesn't do what they say. But in NMS' case we also know exactly what they're talking about and as said above it does what they say it does as procedural terrains and planets are a well known field even at the hobbyist level.
a secret-boss
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U need to make a trailer of that post on the OP
cuz some people just want trailers now than reading block of text
KCroxtonJr
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Veritigo_X
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There was another trailer that showed the player fighting enemy ships inside the atmosphere.
http://youtu.be/nLtmEjqzg7M?t=2m42s
TheLostBigBoss
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No, I completely understand that anyone can crank out a procedural planets, algorithms.
But he's just waving his hand at all the tech being made because... reasons.
Then he goes an makes a post comparing the game to some bullshit polygon replacement scam, saying the game is practically a scam that is tricking people.
Even after we've had countless examples of it being explained, shown and presented to us. I'm simply confused what he is trying to say, if he's saying the games tech is bullshit, or if there is simply "a lack of gameplay" to go along with the tech.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Can't be complaining about the tech being unfeasible, since it can apparently be copied by him and his guys in about three weeks.
KCroxtonJr
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lol, there is a trailer that ends with ship combat in a planets atmosphere. I really don't understand why you guys just assume stuff instead of actually reading/watching EASILY accessible information that gives you answers. At least ask a question instead lmao
I just did? I wasn't aware that watching every video and reading every article was required before posting in this thread.
thomasmahler
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Again, I apologize if i'm coming across as bitchy in the first place. I think the TECH they have is really cool - but it's not something I'd be swooning over as an artist and a designer, cause turning this into an actual game that people would like to play must be a fucking nightmare.
The tech is cool and it's been done many times before. They're doing it in realtime, which is quite cool and the results are also quite nice looking, but what I'm 'bitching' about is that they have no mechanics. All I'm seeing is pretty much just debug stuff, even though the dev is TALKING about how you're able to do this and that, yet _none_ of that has ever been shown in the slightest. That's why I'm saying it's a tech demo, not an actual game. And I think that turning this into an actual, fun game is going to be insanely difficult.
I just don't understand why gamers and especially the press isn't a little more critical when it comes to all the promises being made here.
AvoidDaNoid
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Can you point out to me those interviews? Do they mention also the small planet sizes and the very thin atmosphere in that?
PSA: This can stop now. Take a few seconds to find out (such as I dunno, read this very thread) rather than derailing thread after thread with repetitive willful ignorance. We've had enough threads go down the tubes at this point.
I'm not going to go through his post and agree or disagree with everything, but he is right in that procedural generation is an old trick (although many clueless journalists lately have portrayed it as being something new). And he is also right in that procedural generation in itself should be the one of the easiest parts of making NMS.
"Elite" from 1984, 30 years ago, was going to have 282 TRILLION GALAXIES. They decided to dial it back to 8 single galaxies for playability reasons.. So you see, the "near-infinite" number isn't really that impressive in itself, it's what you do with it that counts. Some people are just asking to see more of the game part.
Chaos2Frozen
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Question- how many hours till the panel?
SirMossyBloke
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What???? I missed this. Where can we watch this??
Eh, good point there is a far bit in that trailer. I wish they'd show more than 2 seconds of the on foot shooting though