Jawmuncher
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It won't be a hard reboot. They have a movie with Leon and Chris next year that ties into RE7. So expect RE4 style reboot
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Serkan Toto rumor: Resident Evil 7 reveal at E3, will go back to horror roots
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It won't be a hard reboot. They have a movie with Leon and Chris next year that ties into RE7. So expect RE4 style reboot
Bl@de
Member
Jup. Not excited one bit. Their big "back to the roots" with RE6 was some forced walking in the Leon campaign at the beginning. They always promise that. Mainline RE is not going back to horror. Action is selling much more.
Uh, what are you talking about? I acknowledged the success of the recent remasters in a previous post, even saying there was definitely an audience for them (even if I don't think it's an audience as large as the current direction). Your baseless assumption about me being some kind of hardcore fan of the current direction and threatened in some way by a return to an older direction is nonsense, since I have been been a fan of the franchise since RE2's original release.
Really, this whole post seems more of an attempt to shift this discussion into old style vs new style. Not what I was arguing at all. I was arguing against the original idea you presented that marketing was what "sold" RE5 and 6. It played a factor, sure, as it does with many game, but it was a total dismissal to other factors. A series does not get to the consistent level of success RE does without it being enjoyed by many. It was definitely a dismissal of that, intended or otherwise.
Souls is an exception more than a rule. Not everything is Souls, in fact, not a hell of a lot is Souls outside Souls really and the few clones it's inspired here and there. You can say screw modern convention all you want, but the odds that Capcom, or most companies for that matter, will is very slim.
afternoon delight
Member
Burn the unholy vestigial limbs of 5 and 6 and maybe I'll care, but it makes so much money I sincerely doubt they'll let it go.
As many others have stated as well, they also tend to repeat this line at least twice before each release.
As many others have stated as well, they also tend to repeat this line at least twice before each release.
slick7rick
Member
No, I haven't. I've only played the vanilla RE5 in co-op. Is it worth it? I'll consider picking up the PS4 version if it's in it.
brandonh83
Banned
I'm breathing pretty heavy over here gents
BumblebeeCody
Member
So if we go back to the roots, does that mean we'll get back voice acting, save ribbons, weird inventory management and crap controls?
"But they were good games" I hear you say
"But they were good games" I hear you say
Well, voice acting never left...?
brandonh83
Banned
It can go back to horror roots without archaic design.
ArkkAngel007
Member
The series hasn't always tied gameplay to canon. RE2's scenarios are all canon in some elements. Obviously, the different ending of REmake aren't all canon, and of course Jill and Chris couldn't both be in the same situations at the same time. Birkin's Lab in RE0 was an Easter Egg despite being a playable area w/things going down at that location that are canon. It's doubtful that the STARS team and the Raccoon City survivors formulated their reports on site at typewriters, or that Umbrella has a magical box program at all their locations.
So if things were to be toned down from RE6's super strong ninja crew, then it can be done so without creating issue. The only canon elements are Chris' preparations to fight Wesker in 5. Jake's abilities are likely exaggerated, but it will take someone like News Bot to clear up if Jake has anything going for him beyond virus/micro immunity. Even with those two, things could be roped in if that's what Capcom desires without breaking their solid canon streak.
If that's what is being referred to with leading everyone into getting super powers.
If it's the matter of escalation of sequels, things can be raised on more personal stakes rather than global.
Or they can go to space. That had quite the effect on Dino Crisis.
I wonder if its possible to have a game with pre-rendered backgrounds at 4k?
And not run like ass.
I'm assuming yes as its only a screen with at most 4-5 3d models to render and most "rooms" were really small.
Because then that game could look as timeless as REmake, perhaps even moreso.
What exactly is archaic about REmake? I played that game and its still amazing with its shortcomings having nothing to do with gameplay (story, characters).
Tank controls aren't archaic. They are different but not archaic.
And not run like ass.
I'm assuming yes as its only a screen with at most 4-5 3d models to render and most "rooms" were really small.
Because then that game could look as timeless as REmake, perhaps even moreso.
What exactly is archaic about REmake? I played that game and its still amazing with its shortcomings having nothing to do with gameplay (story, characters).
Tank controls aren't archaic. They are different but not archaic.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I'm sorry, I likely took something the wrong way/misunderstood. Not sure what I saw that made it seem like it was aimed at a modern vs classic stance. Could just be used to blanket only modern RE titles as they are can sell, and that no one looks into how they have such heavy, front-loaded sales.
And it was definitely not my intention to undermind folks enjoyment with that. Shame it seemed like it was.
Static camera angles, as well as tank controls, I have never seen inherently compromise gameplay. They are not archaic, as I see tossed around. It's just a different approach, like isometric games. RE4 has tank controls for instance. Not once was the game compromised by this. Neither did fixed camera compromise the games that utilized them.
RE6 however did have fixed angles at certain parts (Ada's campaign a bit more frequent than the others). I disliked some/most, such as the spotlight avoiding segment. However, this didn't have anything to do with the fixed camera itself. It was rather that it was just poorly done, as were most of the instances. If they set the angle higher in that part for instance, it would have been fine.
It's something that requires commitment at a design standpoint. If you don't design the level, encounter, and whatever else involved around it, it's quite unforgiving. Compare Dino Crisis 3 with 2. Both have fixed cameras, but one followed the design through with it in mind while the other did not.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
what does horror even mean
cuz I know some people wont be happy until it goes back to single location, tank controls, limited saves and ammo RE1 style
like we cant even get two people to agree on what "survival horror" even is
so what the fuck are we asking for here
cuz I know some people wont be happy until it goes back to single location, tank controls, limited saves and ammo RE1 style
like we cant even get two people to agree on what "survival horror" even is
so what the fuck are we asking for here
By "going back to its roots," I hope that means a small desert town; now tie that in with an open world, horror-centric gameplay, day-night cycles, custom weapons, etc. Basically a third person Dying Light, with BOWs, huge bosses, and crazy underground labs.
And that moonlight sonata.
And that moonlight sonata.
MiamiWesker
Member
You kind of nailed it on the head. In the end I think most want what was the core of old RE. Limited inventory, limited ammo, health and the mission of finding your way through a maze like world while surviving. Action and presentation should be much better.
I've been thinking the same thing for a while. Effectively it would be the same world map formula as RE1, just bigger. It would have to be when accommodating modern camera angles.
RE1's camera angles made the mansion look a lot bigger than it is. Look at that UE4 remake video or videos of Lost In Nightmares to see what I mean.
I suspect this isn't going to happen though because it requires a degree of level design you just don't see anymore in mainstream games. Souls is almost alone in the space of modern retail console games when it comes to level design. Maybe some of Bethesda's games have similar philosophy. I think MGSV Ground Zeroes showed that Kojima Productions was at least capable of it.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Hyped.
The question is, Sony or MS stage?
The question is, Sony or MS stage?
Sony is the obvious choice.
EVA UNIT 01
Member
Best friends?
Napalm_Frank
Member
MS did partner up with Operation Raccoon City doe so I can see them do it again. Also it's gonna be slim pickings on 3rd party front if Sony has CoD, Watch Dogs 2, Destiny ect. on their stage. MS has BF1 but the gotta have something else, right?
We can hope since that made the best games in the series.
Hellraider
Member
Honestly I would be ok with either as long as they understand what made each of them great.
GasProblem
Member
Yes. I want more of a horror game, less of an action game.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
What they're going to actually do is rip off The Last of Us while misunderstanding what made that game so good in the first place.
Trust me, Serkan knows his stuff.
dragonzdogma
Member
Score: No one wins.
ArkkAngel007
Member
It's likely more to do with the atmosphere and how the gameplay interacts with the horror elements.
All the modern RE games have some scary looking BOWs, some scarier than anything out of the survival horror ones. RE6 has, hands down, the best designed enemies from a visual standpoint. There's also some locations/level designs aimed at a horror angle.
Yet none of the encounters really match up with that atmosphere. There's likely a lot of reasons. The over-the-top absurdity of the situations/narratives (even by RE standards). The loose movement controls. Enemies highly susceptible to CQB. Many wielding weapons, particularly guns that cause a more frustrating tinge to the situation than anything else due to how the game wants to be played. Body models looking bright and sterile on the ground and poor textures all around keep the player from being drawn in. Overall encounter design.
Truly, the only parts of the game that sort of nailed the horror atmosphere were the rasklapanje (and only on certain characters) scenarios and this part in Jake 1 where you're in a hall full of mannequins, one creepily defaced, that unfortunately is just exactly what it is on the surface.
It has been demonstrated in this thread alone that there are those who want the classic stylings from the top down. Most I would argue would rather just want the horror elements to actually come across to them through the game, rather than just be merely a coat of paint.
Unfortunately for RE6's combat system...it doesn't seem like something that can really be done in conjunction. Being able to race around while also flipping, sliding and such and ultimately be able to go toe to toe with fists doesn't support it.
That doesn't mean variations can't work. A combination with the survival items with counters, as well as contextual dodges, could bring the game down to a human level with the odds being a little more stacked for example. But exactly as it is just seems too much of a contrast.
In the end, not everyone is going to be happy here. RE6's combat system is great for mercs and games for general, but won't do well with everything slowed down even marginally. The game also being intentionally cheesy while trying to present itself seriously also doesn't work well by the same game's example. Either commit to the ham (RE4) or just let it come about naturally (VA work in RE1 or poor regional translations). Couple all of that with the series having 3-4 different paths (mainline action, horror remakes, middling Revelations, side shooters), and the divide in the base is going to get worse.
Jawmuncher
Member
Pretty much, you're never going to please the huge gap the fanbase has with one game. All Capcom should worry about is a quality product.
Pretty much, yeah. I think Revelations 2 is a good step in finding a middle ground, I will say, though. It's not there yet, and still obviously leaning in one direction over the other, but it's a good step.
wild wild rice
Member
Even if that is their intention I have exactly 0% faith that it will be done well. I hope to be very wrong.
Memnoch
Member
Whoa that would be amazing. Something like re1 and re2 would be incredible.
dragonzdogma
Member
Yeah, but I honestly think that Capcom will never give the revelations series an AAA budget
Still it would be nice I guess.
Ascenion
Member
I think you misunderstand a soft reboot. Soft reboots don't throw out all the previous material they just start new storylines and kind of ingnore/coexist with previous events. If you've see Xmen days of future past or the new Star Trek films they do the same thing. So Leon and Sheva can star in RE7 and not be tied down by previous game events because it's a new continuity in a manner of speaking.
SolarPowered
Member
I don't believe it. Gonna go in expecting another shootbang with pointless waves of enemies.