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Supercell revenues nears $2bn for 2014
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400 million this year according to press. They did have the 1-minute Super Bowl ad with Liam Neeson, that must have cost something.
They already did, for 1,51 billion for 51% of the shares to Softbank and GungHo. That was a steal as this revenue shows.
Scope is certainly different, can't argue with that, but quality wise? Sure. Both games have great presentation and gameplay mechanics.
I agree mobile gaming is all about accessibility. It's the reason why I like CoC, I don't need to constantly play the game to have fun. Short bursts at a time. Perfect for mobile.
Addiction is a complicated term, to be honest. When do we cross the line from having fun with a game to being addicted? I wouldn't say I'm addicted to CoC. I spend more hours per week on LoL, yet am I addicted to CoC inherently because of how the game is designed, even if I play it less than other games?
I think that would be a bad lesson that could ruin some companies. Its hard to have a smash hit game like CoC, and it proving to be extremely hard to replicate. One only has to look at the history of companies that have reigned on top of the mobile app list to see a pattern emerging.
I still fall for it.
this supercell is the shit though
Thats good. Hopefully they get into console/pc gaming someday with that cash. Much safer.
I still fall for it.
A part of me thought this then I realized this was on gaming side.
King, Supercell, Machine Zone and EA are the most prominent, and they seem to be doing incredibly well from year to year. Agree it is very hard to make string of hits, that's why Supercell is such a rare company. 3 back-to-back blockbuster game hits is tough to replicate.
Japan App Store is far more lucrative however, and both Sega and SquareEnix are doing very well there. Of course there will be a point where the growth will slow down, and we will see some shake-ups. Still does not fix my main concern for console gaming, which is the skyrocketing dev costs and treating of the dev staff like disposable diapers.
Saddest part is this is true. Well at least to me. This whole shift in the industry to F2P and micro transactions has led to major issues. Worst part is the newer generation is becoming obsessed with it. Few months ago I offered to buy my cousin a 3DS with Mario Land, he told me he would prefer an iTunes card to buy gems in clash of clans. How sad is that?
The game is designed to be played very differently than console games. Mobile users check their phones fifty times a day, play Clash for 5 minutes, close the app and move on with their lives. Waiting is barely an inconvenience for most, because by the time they open up the game again, most of it has been 'recharged'. You can attack other players again, you can collect your resources again, play for 5 minutes, and close the app again.
The gems are easy enough to accumulate to get three builders without ever paying for anything, meaning you can build three things at the same time at any time. Which is enough for most players to enjoy the game. That's just the way the game is structured. That's the way mobile gaming works for the most part. 99% of free-to-play users never pay for anything and keep playing for months regardless.
South Park is right on many levels when it comes to free to play and the cynicism that comes with that business model, but the blanket demonization of it all (not necessarily by you directly, but in this topic overall), as if people were forced to pay for games they barely enjoy, is just silly.
You get a fully featured game for $0, though.
Everything is possible, but I doubt it. Consoles games now cost 100 million+ per pop to make, and offer razor-thing margins. Since these guys have made repeated mobile blockbuster hits, it would not make much sense for them to move away to compete with Activision on their home turf.
Supercell will have seen all of those console devs closing, and probably don't want to share their fate. PC is a possibility, to take on, say, World of Tanks.
Zynga has never been successful on mobile, so they don't really count. Rovio's game side actually grew this year, it is their liscensing business that is hurting. They do need another blockbuster hit game though. Still a 200 million a year company with 10M profit is not the end of the world.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
You are given 250 gems fromt he get go IIRC.
Not true. Gems can be accumulated through achievements, cleaning trees and bushes, and gem boxes. Every gem box has 25 gems it. Some trees give you 6 gems. Although upgrading fast without getting loot is expensive. I only spent $15 in a year and a half and my base is great. One does not need to spend money to enjoy the game.
Besthelboy
Banned
I didn't like Clash of Clans because it wasn't fun.
It's just not fun to play.
It's just not fun to play.
Chubzdoomer
Banned
It requires huge amounts of resources (and therefore time) to do those things, though. Even just clearing out trees is ridiculously expensive.
Random Painted HIghway
Member
Two fun games, haven't played the third. Great for someone with no time to devote to more complicated time intensive games. If you ignore the lack of story, the gameplay is more advanced and complicated or at least on the same level as most menu driven jrpgs I've played.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Cleaning trees and bushes cost 10k elixir max. That´s nothing in comparison to the resources that one collect from ones resources.
So you want a game where you get everything without having to put some effort to it? By the way, clearing trees beyond the early levels is basically spare change.
Chubzdoomer
Banned
There's no effort in Clash of Clans -- only time.
Man you tapped once on that bush! Such effort! You're a champion!
EFFORT, lol. Do I even need to explain anything past this?
Wrong. A good player can get more resources than a bad player in the same timeframe. Gathering resources goes beyond clicking harvesters, you know.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
...Video Games don't exist in GoT.
CoC isn't going anywhere. It's addictive. But more importantly than that, it is a really well-designed game. The units are well-balanced and varied, as well as their counterpart, the village defenses. Even with long upgrades, there is usually always something to do, such as raiding for more resources, or participating in clan wars (best part of the game). And both take a lot of strategy; whether it's getting that 3 star in war, or raiding a village with the cheapest army possible.
My main complaint with the game is it isn't really all that interesting until Town Hall 7. Once you reach 7 and beyond, the offensive and defensive options branch out a LOT. And of course, microtransactions are the evil part of free to play games. But you don't need to gem anything unless you are impatient. I never understood the accusation that CoC is pay to win since no matter where you are in the game, you are always playing against people your level.
My main complaint with the game is it isn't really all that interesting until Town Hall 7. Once you reach 7 and beyond, the offensive and defensive options branch out a LOT. And of course, microtransactions are the evil part of free to play games. But you don't need to gem anything unless you are impatient. I never understood the accusation that CoC is pay to win since no matter where you are in the game, you are always playing against people your level.
Wait-unless-you-pay is miserable for people gaming to Check All The Boxes And Fill All The Bars.
It's unnoticable for people gaming to kill 15 or 30 minutes, or for people into several games with the mechanic gaming to kill longer periods.
It's meh but not amazingly bad for people gaming because they like the game; remember, this is an industry built on "pay $1 to play the FIRST time" so "pay $1 to play a fifth time in a row" isn't too outlandish.
Of it course it makes you feel like you're making progress toward something. That's literally the entire design philosophy of F2P - To make you feel like you're gaining something, while in reality they're taking something* from you.
*your time, your money, and your dignity.
Chubzdoomer
Banned
What separates good players from bad ones, though? Isn't it just tapping on the screen to deploy troops? I played the game for several days and based on what I learned, you can't even directly control or micromanage your troops once they've been deployed. To me, it just seems like the skill ceiling is incredibly low. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I see little to no headroom for there to exist truly great players (skill-wise) who are way above the rest. And even the best players still have to wait for long periods of time before large armies are created--unless, of course, they spend tons of gems.
RipperGrim
Member
This is basically how I feel about the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQbcnIqjdOQ
Seriously there are so many other games out there that deserve this kind of success and this POS gets it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQbcnIqjdOQ
Seriously there are so many other games out there that deserve this kind of success and this POS gets it.
The skill ceiling is plenty high; I belong to a clan that wins wars about 99% of the time due to our attacks being coordinated and executed better then our opponents.
Knowing unit behavior, their strengths and weaknesses, evalulating and properly attacking a base, and properly using spells are all critical. Not to mention how important army composition is.
Like I said, the game isn't terribly interesting until Town Hall 7, and I feel Supercell should really address this.
What's tricky to understand about this though? Not every game is Bloodborne. Not every game requires a tremendous amount of skill to enjoy. You can - literally - play 95% of the top grossing mobile games with one finger (or your penis, if you're skilled) and still be 'good' at it. Mobile players are vastly different from the gamer profile we're used to. That's a big reason why traditional publishers haven't been able to nail the market because they haven't adapted their business model to how radically different gamers enjoy their mobile devices and how they see gaming fit as part of their routine. If people still consider these games entertaining and a good use of their time because it's fun to create your base, layout, upgrade buildings, think about how to spawn your units to approach a base; then dismissing their free will in what they pick to play is condescending at best.
Good for them. I've been addicted to CoC since last November and can't stop playing. I usually hate F2P games with microtransactions, but CoC is very fair in that regard. Attacking other people to gather resources and competing in clan wars is a lot of fun. Especially when you play in a good clan with proper coordination/communication.
lmao
Is from season 4.. Theon's order just arrived from Bestbuy. Brand new refrigerator.
It is also hard to have a hit AAA game. The difference is mobile games like Clash of Clans have a much higher return on investment because the development is so cheap in comparison. One attempt at a AAA game is dozens of very high production value mobile games, probably even more. For investors, the ROI just makes mobile super appealing which is why you're seeing so many people jump into the market.
One of the common misconceptions of CoC, unfortunately. That simplistic gameplay you found turns to a pretty complex and strategic one once you unlock some of the later troops. A good player will raid better and steal more resources than an average player. A good player will win their clan more wars, thus gain more resources as well. You can find countless strategic videos in YouTube where they analyse attacks and bases, how to defend, how to attack, etc.
I won't even get into the several known strategies and their variations since it would be pointless in this conversation. But believe me, and I'm not the first one to say so in this very thread, the game is complex beyond tapping to deploy troops.
It's true that you may need to wait to cook some of the stronger units in the game (although there are 20 min tops full army composition useful for raiding). I have no issue with waiting, however, since I play this game a couple of mins at a time (before joining a queue in LoL, or during work some times). People need to understand the design is different from a stand alone console game where you are expected to spend more time at a time.
Good question. I'd say the key is how much of the game is designed to create addiction. The unlock progression in cod games is there to keep the player going even if the game itself is not that fun anymore. You have a new toy to try, so you keep playing. What does CoC do to feed the addiction?
Chubzdoomer
Banned
That's something of a strawman. I'm not saying I want every game to be as difficult as Bloodborne or to require crazy amounts of skill, but based on my experience, Clash of Clans requires almost no skill at all. I do see where MoxManiac explained above that the game doesn't really open up until your Town Hall reaches level 7, but I can tell you for a fact that to reach that point would require many hours (or rather days) of "play" because unfortunately even at low levels, the costs for upgrading the Town Hall are astronomical!
I like how you try to shame the CoC players on this forum by using the word "varied" while preferring that they basically partake in less variety by not playing this game.
I play CoC and it's done nothing to dull my interest in more "varied and niche" games, so you can put that strawman away. CoC will probably be the game I'm playing while waiting for Bloodborne to load, later on tonight.
Every game is locked behind a timewall - they all require a not insignificant amount of time to complete, to achieve specific goals/achievements, to top the leaderboards, etc. At least in a game like CoC, progress can still occur when you're not playing, no money required.
Some of you are so caught up by microtransaction aspect of these games that you're overlooking the basic fact that every game can be a colossal timesink and most don't really offer a way to keep making progress without active binging of playtime to do it. For a lot of people who love to game, oftentimes the need to drop an hour or two into a open-world game just to make some notable progress, or to schedule regular sessions to stay competitive in an online MP game are, in and of themselves, "timewalls" that get between the gamer and the games they may want to play.
I'm a Boom Beach player and have played that game on iOS for an entire year. And not spent a penny on it.
The game is so incredibly well made and absolutely made perfect for 5 - 10 minute blasts of play at numerous times during the day.
And the game doesn't flash adverts in your face or persist you to pay for awards and upgrades.
Superb!!
The game is so incredibly well made and absolutely made perfect for 5 - 10 minute blasts of play at numerous times during the day.
And the game doesn't flash adverts in your face or persist you to pay for awards and upgrades.
Superb!!
Chubzdoomer
Banned
How does Boom Beach compare to Clash of Clans? Does it take less time for things to get interesting, or is it about the same in your experience? (That is if you've played both of 'em.)