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The little mermaid, chronicle of an established tragedy

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So as long as box office is good, that means the movie is quality to you?
the box office is going to dictated if some movies are successful or not.

The studios then, will assess what worked or didn't.


"quality" ....is subjective

The vast majority of entertainment is "shit" because people just want distraction/escapism; they aren't searching for a deep analysis of media.
 

Fbh

Member
How does this keep getting worse and worse? Is her head just pasted onto a CG body because it looks really weird. It's also criminal how little attention is being paid how she should be moving and reacting. It's like they just let her wing it in front of a green screen or something. It's just so lazy.

She is probably "real" from like the waist up.
But the crab is CGI, the background is probably CGI, her tail is CGI and based on Aquaman even her hair is probably CGI (so it has that underwater effect).

It's funny because stuff like this or Lion King are called the "live action" version, but most of the time you are basically still watching an animated movie, it's just done in a boring and soulless realistic art style.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
the box office is going to dictated if some movies are successful or not.

The studios then, will assess what worked or didn't.


"quality" ....is subjective

The vast majority of entertainment is "shit" because people just want distraction/escapism; they aren't searching for a deep analysis of media.

You and I are discussing two separate things. Yes, the film will be "successful" by box office metrics. However, it won't be because the movie is quality, well made, or well designed - which are all things that can be looked at through objective metrics. How well is it paced? Does the audio work for the scenes? How well does each scene flow into the other? Is the CGI reliable and add to the scene, or is it distracting to the viewer? etc.

This movie will succeed in the box office, like every other Live Action disney remake because of its name and association to Disney. Not because of the film itself.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
She is probably "real" from like the waist up.
But the crab is CGI, the background is probably CGI, her tail is CGI and based on Aquaman even her hair is probably CGI (so it has that underwater effect).

It's funny because stuff like this or Lion King are called the "live action" version, but most of the time you are basically still watching an animated movie, it's just done in a boring and soulless realistic art style.

Sad thing is, they could easily do something unique with the live action versions of films. There was times of true brilliance in the Aladdin remake when they went full bollywood musical, but those were brief highlights in an otherwise abyssmal film because they were afraid to go too far in a new direction and had to keep it close to the superior animated version.
 
You and I are discussing two separate things. Yes, the film will be "successful" by box office metrics. However, it won't be because the movie is quality, well made, or well designed - which are all things that can be looked at through objective metrics. How well is it paced? Does the audio work for the scenes? How well does each scene flow into the other? Is the CGI reliable and add to the scene, or is it distracting to the viewer? etc.

This movie will succeed in the box office, like every other Live Action disney remake because of its name and association to Disney. Not because of the film itself.
Pixar, Disney, Marvel just had flops.

Success is not a guarantee.
 

Fbh

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Sad thing is, they could easily do something unique with the live action versions of films. There was times of true brilliance in the Aladdin remake when they went full bollywood musical, but those were brief highlights in an otherwise abyssmal film because they were afraid to go too far in a new direction and had to keep it close to the superior animated version.

Definitely.
But they went in the most unappealing direction possible with this realistic style.
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Do kids even like these? Are little kids asking their moms for plushies of photorealistic fishes?

"OMG just what I wanted for Christmas"
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Heimdall_Xtreme

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Man, everything Disney touches turns to shit.:messenger_weary:

Disney is no longer what it was before... What I would give for it to have the animation of the 40s to the 90s.

For me its decline began with the live action of the lion king... But I hated it since Onward, the beginning of the Disney disaster.

I hope that this movie and Elemental are a big flop.
 
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Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
Halle Bailey is beautiful!

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Ok? She is. But what does that have to do with anything in regards to this film? Kinda just makes you come across as thirsty and desperate.

Pixar, Disney, Marvel just had flops.

Success is not a guarantee.
Sure, when it is a new IP or obscure hero.

Not really the case when it is a remake of one of the most well known and beloved films produced by your company.
 
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Ok? She is. But what does that have to do with anything in regards to this film? Kinda just makes you come across as thirsty and desperate.


Sure, when it is a new IP or obscure hero.

Not really the case when it is a remake of one of the most well known and beloved films produced by your company.
there are examples of established IP flopping.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
there are examples of established IP flopping.

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You are trying too hard to move goalposts and playing the ignorance card, mate.

Strange World may be loosely based on the IP of :"Journey to the Center of the Earth", but it isn't some well beloved and nearly universally celebrated franchise like Lion King, Little Mermaid, or other major live action remakes. Similar can be said for "Lone Ranger" and "John Carter". Yes, they are based on "established IPs", but trying to conflate them as being on the same level as Little Mermaid, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and hte Beast, and others? Get real.

Lightyear is the closest thing to an established IP with large amounts of fans that "flopped" recently, and that could be argued that it had very little to do with the actual IP it was based on.
 

Saiyu

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Among black PEOPLE, it's about the same percentage in white people globally. 2-3% ... And it occurs in non-biracial and biracial black people.
I'm not sure this is true. I believe that percentage is for the global population as a whole but it is not uniform among different ethnicities.
 
Ok? She is. But what does that have to do with anything in regards to this film? Kinda just makes you come across as thirsty and desperate.
That's some bad faith. Please don't do that to other people, and don't accept when they do it to you. That's just insulting. This post reminds me of how people can't criticize the complete removal of nearly all female sexualization in many modernized versions of longstanding game franchises without someone chiming in that they should just go to pornhub if that's what they want.

And seeing as there are photoshopped images in the very first post of this thread that intentionally make the star look bad, I think pictures of how she actually looks are very relevant to this thread.

I can hold all these opinions and also still hold the opinion that Ariel shouldn't have had her race changed. I'm fine with a black little mermaid, but I don't think it should have been Ariel. That's just my opinion, though. Others may disagree, and that's fine.
 
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You are trying too hard to move goalposts and playing the ignorance card, mate.

Strange World may be loosely based on the IP of :"Journey to the Center of the Earth", but it isn't some well beloved and nearly universally celebrated franchise like Lion King, Little Mermaid, or other major live action remakes. Similar can be said for "Lone Ranger" and "John Carter". Yes, they are based on "established IPs", but trying to conflate them as being on the same level as Little Mermaid, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and hte Beast, and others? Get real.

Lightyear is the closest thing to an established IP with large amounts of fans that "flopped" recently, and that could be argued that it had very little to do with the actual IP it was based on.
and you keep talking about the "quality".

so, what do you think about the quality of those movies?
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
That's some bad faith. Please don't do that to other people, and don't accept when they do it to you. That's just insulting. This post reminds me of how people can't criticize the complete removal of nearly all female sexualization in many modernized versions of longstanding game franchises without someone chiming in that they should just go to pornhub if that's what they want.

And seeing as there are photoshopped images in the very first post of this thread that intentionally make the star look bad, I think pictures of how she actually looks are very relevant to this thread.

I can hold all these opinions and also still hold the opinion that Ariel shouldn't have had her race changed. I'm fine with a black little mermaid, but I don't think it should have been Ariel. That's just my opinion, though. Others may disagree, and that's fine.
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and you keep talking about the "quality".

so, what do you think about the quality of those movies?
Your continued strawman arguments and goalpost moving is getting tiring. It is clear you just want to troll.
 

kunonabi

Member
She is probably "real" from like the waist up.
But the crab is CGI, the background is probably CGI, her tail is CGI and based on Aquaman even her hair is probably CGI (so it has that underwater effect).

It's funny because stuff like this or Lion King are called the "live action" version, but most of the time you are basically still watching an animated movie, it's just done in a boring and soulless realistic art style.
I don't know the neck/head movement looks really, really off to me. I suppose we'll find out out for sure eventually.
 
Your continued strawman arguments and goalpost moving is getting tiring. It is clear you just want to troll.
nope.

i am jus saying that someone can have issues with the "quality" of a movie or not.

a lot don't even care about the "quality" at all...they only seek entertainment and escapism.

the only thing that matter is the Box Office.

get real buddy.
 
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You are trying too hard to move goalposts and playing the ignorance card, mate.

Strange World may be loosely based on the IP of :"Journey to the Center of the Earth", but it isn't some well beloved and nearly universally celebrated franchise like Lion King, Little Mermaid, or other major live action remakes. Similar can be said for "Lone Ranger" and "John Carter". Yes, they are based on "established IPs", but trying to conflate them as being on the same level as Little Mermaid, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and hte Beast, and others? Get real.

Lightyear is the closest thing to an established IP with large amounts of fans that "flopped" recently, and that could be argued that it had very little to do with the actual IP it was based on.
Peter Pan would be on that list of well beloved movie as well and yet, straight to streaming. Same with Pinocchio.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
Peter Pan would be on that list of well beloved movie as well and yet, straight to streaming. Same with Pinocchio.

Would they have been "successful" at the box office? That is the point. They are of the same, low, effortless quality as the other live action remakes we have seen on the big screen. Hence why "box office success" means nothing on if the film is good or not.

These live action films are all awful. Being successful at the box office never meant that the film was good.
 
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Billbofet

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Weird thing to post from an mainstream media outlet as promotion. :messenger_winking_tongue:


She looks nude in most of these poorly chosen screen caps. It's like when you pause a movie and when you get back from the bathroom, you realize how goofy the character looks from the pause.
 

jason10mm

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The father with how many women did he get involved with?

I'm curious if this will be addressed (i.e. they say these girls all have different moms, King Triton is just Ariels dad and the others have different fathers, or there is a nefarious uncle played by Idris Elba we haven't seen yet :p or if they will just ignore it. It's obvious enough the attempt to diversity within what are typically family stories by having a ridonculous number of interracial families in Hollywood but this is just a whole nuther level.

Maybe the other girls are hostages from other mermaid kingdoms, taken in as handmaidens to Ariel to ensure good conduct by their parents. Pretty classic maneuver for monarchies, really. I'm even more curious to see if each girl has a different "fish tail" to imply the fish parts express diversity across the fish species as well. Though if we are gonna follow the logical science they really should have dolphin, orca, or beluga lineage, not fish, especially given their tail fluke orientation. Gotta admit, some shark-like mermaids would be cool though.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
She looks nude in most of these poorly chosen screen caps. It's like when you pause a movie and when you get back from the bathroom, you realize how goofy the character looks from the pause.
NGL, the mermaid from the netflix series "Invisible City" got me tingling. There is something oddly sexual about the whole concept but I'm not really sure why. I've dove with manatees (which have got to be the origin of the mermaid myth, right?) and didn't feel the need to bang any of them :p

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StreetsofBeige

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Definitely.
But they went in the most unappealing direction possible with this realistic style.
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Do kids even like these? Are little kids asking their moms for plushies of photorealistic fishes?
Who knows.

I dont watch Disney stuff unless I join fam to watch Dory or Big Hero 6, but even as an adult I dont think Id care for ultra realistic stuff like Lion King or live action Mulan. And I like my movies gritty. But oddly, I'd still prefer classic animation for cartoons and Disney stuff than converted to CGI realism.

Then again, Lion King made I think $1.5B so there's shitloads of people wanted to see that story resembling National Geographic.
 

Pilgrimzero

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Triton having multiracial daughters is probably the most realistic thing about the film. Back in the day Kings got AROUND. He's just nice enough to keep them.
 

DeafTourette

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Horny gaf strikes again. Spoken like someone who hasnt seen a woman without makeup. Shes ok considering the touched up pictures and makeup. Take that away and shes prolly as average looking as me.

Umm .. no. I've been to photoshoots and seen of plenty of women without make-up... Including my exes. Just wanted to show non-doctored pics of her because everyone is calling her ugly or alien looking.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Umm .. no. I've been to photoshoots and seen of plenty of women without make-up... Including my exes. Just wanted to show non-doctored pics of her because everyone is calling her ugly or alien looking.
Whats so great about her? You're defending her using glammed up pics with nice hair, make up and a gown?

How about be less biased and show a true representation of her? She's an average looking girl with eyes so wide you cant even see any face/flesh between her eyes and the side of her face.

 
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Umm .. no. I've been to photoshoots and seen of plenty of women without make-up... Including my exes. Just wanted to show non-doctored pics of her because everyone is calling her ugly or alien looking.
Hey man, if thats what you find good looking then you be you brother, but she's average. All women have tits and asses. That shit dont make you look pretty.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Without makeup, she isn't even average.
Just go outside, and we can find plenty of girls prettier than her.
Hey man, if thats what you find good looking then you be you brother, but she's average. All women have tits and asses. That shit dont make you look pretty.
What I find crazy is DeafT saying he found non-doctored pics and he uploads Hollywood glamour shots. Ok, perhaps not doctored in a Photoshop changing way, but that's like saying half the women at weddings are hot. Ya, when every guy and gal at a wedding dresses up, shaves and does their hair, of course they look better than sitting on the couch or doing a webcam video (like the one I posted) which is someone just in their normal look.
 
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