Jack The Nipper
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I want Xbox to be number 1 now. I have always been a bigger soybean, but fuck it.
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Theres Nothing Xbox Can Do to Close Gap Between PS4, Says Pachter
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The Artisan
Member
Ps2 sold 170 million?
gunslikewhoa
Member
I'm curious as to what, exactly, someone imagines occurring in order for this to happen. It's discovered that Sony is backing ISIS? I mean, it's a lot worse than not likely. For how long would Sony have to completely halt PS4 sales just to allow MS to catch up?
The Artisan
Member
I think they meant the U.S. not that that point is anything but a dud now since Ps4's up to 9 million now.
If they lower the price enough, they can come back
Is it worth doing that just to be #1 after getting trounced world wide since launch?
No
Though I do hope they are humbled by this defeat, lick their wounds and come out with a gaming system next time and not a hybrid media station
ryūkotsusei
Member
As far as I know, this is the only source claiming such things. Also,
twinfinite said:
GameSpot said:
The Artisan
Member
I think it's fine that they did that, they should've just not bundled the kinect at launch. had a 400 and 500 dollar version of it to go. sony did the media shit last gen when they heavily pushed blu-ray with Ps3 and although that was one of the things that made it expensive it was pretty important. Ps2 did it before that with DVDs when it was still kind of a new thing.
nowadays I think it is important for home consoles to have that media center edge - but NOT forget that it is first and foremost a video game console.
yeah, perhaps they were just rounding to whole numbers when they said 80 million but 155--->170 million is a pretty big difference.
Square2015
Member
I thougt he might have some early Black Friday estimates or something to make this conclusion...
Hugh Swank
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Xbox doesn't need to catch up to PlayStation. The Xbox One is well ahead of 360 sales over the same time period and the brand is strong.
The Xbox team has been hyper focused on pleasing their customers, making the Xbox One as attractive to new customers as possible, and they're doing a great job.
If they keep it up, the XB1 will continue to be successful, and as long as they don't fuck up the design, capabilities, and vision for the next generation of Xbox, the great work they're doing now will set them up well.
The Xbox team has been hyper focused on pleasing their customers, making the Xbox One as attractive to new customers as possible, and they're doing a great job.
If they keep it up, the XB1 will continue to be successful, and as long as they don't fuck up the design, capabilities, and vision for the next generation of Xbox, the great work they're doing now will set them up well.
Is this possibly the first thing this man has said that is anywhere near credible?
I mean, the entire planet has known it's a one horse race since the PS4 hit the shelves, but I suppose you can't blame a world famous (not really) industry analyst needing 2 years and an unassailable lead world wide before he feels comfortable with saying "yep, the PS4 is going to outsell the X1 this gen I can feel it in my bones".
I mean, the entire planet has known it's a one horse race since the PS4 hit the shelves, but I suppose you can't blame a world famous (not really) industry analyst needing 2 years and an unassailable lead world wide before he feels comfortable with saying "yep, the PS4 is going to outsell the X1 this gen I can feel it in my bones".
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
kind of OT but uh... did Tomb Raider really actually sell badly?
Like... do we even have numbers to look at? Or is it mostly educated guessing.
Like... do we even have numbers to look at? Or is it mostly educated guessing.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
We have UK numbers, which are grim. NPD numbers should hopefully come in a few weeks.
The TR Reboot destroyed my cherished unique franchise, and so I won't lie I'm going to take sick satisfaction if it bombs. As I said when they announced "exclusivity" for XBO, since the reboot was awful I couldn't get excited about its sequel, but I hope that the exclusivity deal singlehandedly destroyed the momentum it gained so that one day we might have a shot at going back to real Tomb Raider games. But since the game is still going to be on PS4 (as we all knew), I doubt I'll be that lucky anyway...
Unknown Soldier
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But someone at Ars Technica or Polygon or one of those troll clickbait sites said that the Bone is closing the gap with PS4!
Plus they don't just throw their old consoles in the trash when the new one comes out. I never understood the appeal of backwards compatibility with just the previous generation, your PS3 or 360 still works doesn't it? So why don't you just play it?
Plus they don't just throw their old consoles in the trash when the new one comes out. I never understood the appeal of backwards compatibility with just the previous generation, your PS3 or 360 still works doesn't it? So why don't you just play it?
Obviously. But it seems they now are in a dead heat in places like NA/UK in terms of monthly sales. The gap is probably double worldwide though. People outside NA(USA/Canada), UK and Australia, don't really have as much affinity for Xbox as they do Playstation. And this has been happening even last gen. The only difference this gen, is that Microsoft basically gave up the territories they did well in last gen, while still not gaining at all in the territories they do bad in.
I do think however, as gamers, cheaper price points and exclusive games will eventually bring some buyers back. If you're an only PS4 owner and yet games like Scalebound are rated high, crackdown 3, Recore type games, if the console is like $199-$299 you might pick up a second console, just for those games. But I think Microsoft with its slight shift towards PC, is maybe once again looking at Xbox as a service, and not so much a console.
But yeah, this gen isn't over, but the gap is not going to close even if Microsoft wins NA/UK again, the gap is too large and other territories are gaining importance.
I do think however, as gamers, cheaper price points and exclusive games will eventually bring some buyers back. If you're an only PS4 owner and yet games like Scalebound are rated high, crackdown 3, Recore type games, if the console is like $199-$299 you might pick up a second console, just for those games. But I think Microsoft with its slight shift towards PC, is maybe once again looking at Xbox as a service, and not so much a console.
But yeah, this gen isn't over, but the gap is not going to close even if Microsoft wins NA/UK again, the gap is too large and other territories are gaining importance.
cpp_is_king
Member
Which seems to be translating to 0 extra units sold. Which just goes to show that all the companies were right all along in saying that consumers don't actually want it.
The Artisan
Member
is there any real way to prove that BC hasn't made the xbone sell better or if those that have an xbone aren't using it?
ea access is another exclusive and afaik it's got a high attach rate on xbone
cpp_is_king
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If BC was a deciding factor, then the Xbone's hardware sales should show a statistically significant jump after BC was introduced
Nightengale
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Every action obviously has some amount of sales multiplier.
The question is whether or not they're significant enough to be a notable sales driver.
And the answer is often times "we don't know"
My exact thought upon seeing the thread title.
The Artisan
Member
Ok. So that answers the former question. but if Ps4 had Ps2/Ps1 physical BC (I know Ps3 is out of the question) I know I would be using it. Otherwise I wouldn't have to turn on a Ps3 to play some old Ps1 games.
Resident_UA
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Well, I thought that PS4 got this, but now that Patcher is agreeing with me Xbox has pretty good chance... 
When was the last time that guy was right?
When was the last time that guy was right? X1 could be $199, it still would have its ass kicked in most markets.
The Artisan
Member
he said something right last year Q3/Q4 but it was something really obvious.Well, I thought that PS4 got this, but now that Patcher is agreeing with me Xbox has pretty good chance...
you do realise that sony has released way, way more exclusives in 2915, right?
PS200 confirmed.
If this one truly bombs, I'd expect Square to just cash-in on the name and make more iOS endless runners.
It was introduced in November so... (haha)
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
But the 360 was competing against the 80 million selling PS3
TwiztidElf
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This is what happens when you don't listen to your customers.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
While the quality itself is subjective, sometimes it IS about quality over quantity.
I think his point is that because of the PS2, Sony has more console brand awareness. Though I do agree, last generation proved that brand recognition can only take you so far.
IcyRhythms
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Halo couldn't give it the boost it needed, nothing will. It's that simple.
With releases like bloodborne, until dawn and guilty gear, there quality and quantity in spades.
There's enough solid games on both consoles at this point. Just comes down to one's taste/preferences.
Neuromancer
Member
I'm not sure this is accurate. Sure MS does well during the holidays (thanks to price cuts and bundles and so on) but there is a whole rest of the year that Sony dominates in those regions.
Even if they squeak by with a profit I can't imagine they're happy being a distant 2nd place, being outsold 2:1, especially after the ground they made last generation.
Fredrik
Member
So true. It has been all about word of mouth so far, the Xbox PR fiasco turned too many over to PS4 and on the boards PS4 won even before it was released, it has been a war about mind share rather than games, it wasn't over when PS4 had sold 10 million units, it was over at the PS4 unveil when Jack Tretton talked about used games, 8GB RAM, no online checks etc.
Being best at multiplats has helped PS4 to widen the gap further but the reality is that it's still outselling Xbox this year even when Xbox has better exclusives, and we know 2016 is the year of the big PS4 exclusives, so yup, it's over. Time for MS to prepare how to battle NX next gen instead. This gen goes to Sony.
Being best at multiplats has helped PS4 to widen the gap further but the reality is that it's still outselling Xbox this year even when Xbox has better exclusives, and we know 2016 is the year of the big PS4 exclusives, so yup, it's over. Time for MS to prepare how to battle NX next gen instead. This gen goes to Sony.
uncelestial
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I wonder if you factored in people who own Steam boxes, what percentage of the standalone gaming machine market Microsoft actually owns. Presumably the rise of the cheap gaming PC is somewhat cannibalizing console sales, right?
NoMoreTrolls
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But do Windows PCs that run 95+% of their games through Steam really count as MS gamers? I'm not sure that people playing games outside of their digital storefront/Xbox Live are a meaningful addition to the discussion, unless the goal is to artificially inflate MS's perceived "gaming marketshare."
Windows isn't a gaming OS; it's a popular OS that people happen to play games on. There's a distinction to be made IMO.
uncelestial
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I agree there's a distinction, but there are probably vectors that would be interesting to look at to determine people who are using Steam/GOG/Origin/Uplay/whatever on a PC as their primary "installed/standalone gaming device," vs console users. Even if that method was just sampling/polls. I'm not sure there's a great way to determine the PC gamer's "install base" (Steam accounts that have activated a game and played it in the last year?) but it would be an interesting number to compare to Xbox One and PS4.
I would also agree that these are not necessarily "Microsoft gamers," as Microsoft does not capture any of the revenue for gaming sales on Steam et al. Which is weird -- they certainly dropped the ball there allowing third parties to fill the void, but that's how the cookie crumbled. Still, it's not a total loss for them either. Were it not for games I wouldn't own a $5,000 PC that is hooked up to my big TV. They haven't upsold me on Office, OneDrive, or anything from the Store, nor will they, but they got paid a licensing seat fee, so good for them.
I do think, though, that you'd have to credit that market segment as Microsoft-owned. It uses all of their tech. Those game devs are running Visual Studio, using DirectX, developing on Windows boxes, and selling the results to Windows users. That's owning a platform if I've ever heard it. They really just rely on middlemen to make the machines and distribute the games.
How cruel from you. You should protect Laura and not wish her death!!11
Unknown Soldier
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100% of their gaming coverage is troll clickbait. Considering they were the first people to employ Ben Kuchera, no one should be surprised.
They also have a habit of posting terrible troll clickbait articles about how Android is going to have a security apocalypse any second now. In fact their coverage of mobile is pretty awful in general.
They've really gone the way of The Verge in recent years, there's good content there but it's buried under an avalanche of really awful blatant clickbaity crap.
Well obviously you gave enough of a shit to click on a thread titled about who sells the most consoles in a generation.
Beer Monkey
Member
Agree with Pachter. Lessons learned, bigtime. Looking forward to the inevitable nextgen battle.
gamers win
NoMoreTrolls
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I get you from the perspective that it is their infrastructure to an extent, but I also believe that combining Xbox and Windows PC gamers for the purpose of comparing them to other competitors like Nintendo or Sony would only add meaningless obfuscation to the conversation. Yes, PC is assuredly cutting into the console market, but no, Microsoft is not likely seeing anywhere near the games-related revenue from the gaming side of Windows as they are from Xbox, and thus it doesn't make sense to bucket them together.
2015
PS4
Bloodborne 92 http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/bloodborne
Xobxone
Ori 88 http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/ori-and-the-blind-forest
Forza 6 87
Halo 5 84
Phoenix944
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So people will start buying the Xbox One to make Pachter look like shit again.
New Microsoft strategy!
New Microsoft strategy!