Kind of sad. From all accounts it's an improvement over the last game, and I actually quite enjoyed it (in spite of it's terribly depressing and oppressive setting). I would like to have played this and would have bought it over anything else this Xmas (besides Battlefront). As it stands it now has a year of waiting ahead of it by which point Uncharted 4 and even PSVR will have launched and probably be vying for my time and money far more so than a year forgotten game will. An awful decision from all involved to artificially restrict this to Xbox One.
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UK: Rise of the Tomb Raider sells <60k units at launch
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Sadly I don't think this will damage it enough that we'll see it rebooted as a puzzle platformer rather than the direction it seems to be going in. I know there'll never be a true sequel to Underworld, or a return of Keeley Hawes but that's not going to stop me wishing it was so.
More proof that timed exclusives are a bad idea.
A lot of launch hype is killed by these deals and negative news like these poor sales figures damage the game and franchise.
I realise the deal included an upfront payment which reduces financial risk and is obviously valuable but the franchise suffers in the long term.
I'll likely pick it up next year on PC provided it is priced as a 1 year old game should be.
A lot of launch hype is killed by these deals and negative news like these poor sales figures damage the game and franchise.
I realise the deal included an upfront payment which reduces financial risk and is obviously valuable but the franchise suffers in the long term.
I'll likely pick it up next year on PC provided it is priced as a 1 year old game should be.
As suspected, so the xb360 version of TR2013 was more or less 60k right?
This thread is really deceiving, one count is to make:
Xbox One (85%) < 48,200
Xbox 360 (15%) < 8,500
vs 183k(ps360 +pc)
another is making
Xbox One (85%) < 48,200
Xbox 360 (15%) < 8,500
vs 60k(360 alone)
don't you think? Especially if you consider that the XB1 has a way lower userbase compared to x360 in 2013 and that ROTR released close to Fallout 4.
AusRoachman
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Sad to see an amazing game hurt by company decisions (release date / exclusive )
They were probably kicking themselves when uncharted got delayed . Hopefully it has long legs up until xmas .
Seems like the kind of game every Xbox owner should buy. I know I'll be picking it up soo.
They were probably kicking themselves when uncharted got delayed . Hopefully it has long legs up until xmas .
Seems like the kind of game every Xbox owner should buy. I know I'll be picking it up soo.
Honest to god, this saddens me. I enjoyed TR2013 a good deal. It wasn't a perfect game, and the tone of the plot was like a fucking Richter scale, but I loved the combat and the overall feel of the game.
I chose to go with a PS4 this gen, and I really hope that this sells well enough on 360 and X1 where we'll have a third game.
I chose to go with a PS4 this gen, and I really hope that this sells well enough on 360 and X1 where we'll have a third game.
Coulomb_Barrier
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TR isn't very popular in NA, it's dropped right out of the Amazon Top 40 sellers list already. This is on hourly rankings but you'd expect it to be hovering in the top 10s so soon after release.
The exclusivity thing just seemed ill conceived from from the beginning. Apart from the fact that the series has a long history with both the Playstation and PC platforms and therefore a poor choice as an exclusive candidate, it was an absolute PR nightmare on top of that and as such the reveal didn't receive the kind of attention, interest and excitement that it should. Then you have the sales lost through this exclusivity which affects not only the short term, but it could also have a serious knock on effect on future games and ruin a lot of the momentum that the franchise needs.
Dictator93
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lol, seriously
In Service
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Nope.
This could have sold more if it wasn't crushed by the competition. I don't have time to play anything other than Fallout at the moment and I would have bought it other than that.
Clearly, single platform sales < multi platform sales, but this was crushed by timing.
Sometimes good games (or great games) just don't sell.
WanderingWind
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Maybe next time don't go directly head to head with one of the biggest games of all time, there guys. Rise is a great game, but even independent reviewers were putting it on the back burner until they finished Fallout 4.
It's such a shame, as it is a remarkable game, but they released on what is quite possibly the worst day of the entire year. Fallout and Tomb Raider may be two very different games, but I feel like they appeal to a very similar audience. They would have been much better off releasing a week earlier alongside Need for Speed.
USF4 is not comparable at all, not even SF5 will be due to it being exclusive. There is no game to compare in this situation of timed exclusive I think.
Eh? Man the sales of TR will likely drop by +50% the next week.
And will only go down with each subsequent week. By January things wont look any rosier except for releases on new platforms. XB1 bundles give a bit of hope I guess.
I'm sure the cheque Square received from MS was tasty but without pertinent details, the loss of potential global PS4 and PC sales may dwarf the amount of money/marketing support they got.
Ghost Slayer
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What was old title? I missed it
TatteredHat
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Given that it was SE's own stupidity with regards to the launch window that caused this, I can't say I'm too sad for them. But hey, at least they saved Lara Croft.
You guys think it's possible Square Enix has a clause in their exclusivity deal that says if the game sells less than X copies during a certain window, they have the option to release it earlier on PS4 (probably not PC since it's only 3 months I think) while the game is still relevant, has some buzz around it and not looked at as old?
I wonder how they work these deals, would love to be a fly on the wall during the negotiations. Was the deal like say: We'll grant you exclusivity, if you cover the revenue for X sales; X being the potential lost sales Projected by Square Enix for the platforms it won't be launching on. Anyone have some insight?
I wonder how they work these deals, would love to be a fly on the wall during the negotiations. Was the deal like say: We'll grant you exclusivity, if you cover the revenue for X sales; X being the potential lost sales Projected by Square Enix for the platforms it won't be launching on. Anyone have some insight?
kraspkibble
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I didn't buy it but will definitely be picking it up. Too busy playing Fallout 4.
If they had given it a better release date and made it available to both XB1/PS4 at the same time then it'd have done much better. Whoever made those decisions is to blame. If it's anything like the first reboot game then it deserves so much more than this.
If they had given it a better release date and made it available to both XB1/PS4 at the same time then it'd have done much better. Whoever made those decisions is to blame. If it's anything like the first reboot game then it deserves so much more than this.
JackAubrey
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This game may have not been made without Microsoft money. MS didn't just pay for an exclusive, but paid to make the game happen.
It's the best thing I've played this year, a real shame many folks won't be experiencing it.
It's the best thing I've played this year, a real shame many folks won't be experiencing it.
digoutyoursoul
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It's a great game it really is, I've been very critical about Aaron Greenberg and his comments regarding this situation and Fallout 4, he said "hopefully people buy both" which to me isn't good enough from someone who is leading marketing for 1st and 3rd party. He should be called out on it. Hopefully US numbers are a bit better.
Fallout-NL
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Suicide launching against Fallout.
They should've waited.
They should've waited.
AmaterasuOni
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Yeah, we'll see. As anecdotal as it is, most of my gaming acquitances are either going to get it used or from some very cheap bargain bin, some are even saying they're not going to get it because of the horrible MS/SE deal. I don't know what I'm going to do. I really liked TR
E, but the deal was so shitty so I think I'm going to skip it altogether.We'll see what other games are released at the time.
Something like 30% more tombs 70% less sales
It's Microsoft's involvement that murdered this release.
Green Yoshi
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I know people that own a Xbox One and didn't bought it because the exclusivity deal pissed them off.
I don't agree. This was heading for poor sales anyway, regardless of fallout 4. And the rest of my post still stands. Times exclusives damage franchises in the long term.
They are a bad idea.
They slashed their audience by less than one third.
Greenberg's excuse of launching TR when they did instead of going a week earlier or later or even together with Halo shows that they're a bit clueless at MS. Of course TR would have suffered either way but it would have been a better alternative to the multiplayer centric shooters than it is to the biggest single player game of the year.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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Microsoft were banking on ps4 people buying a Xbox one to play Tomb Raider
MaxwellParrish
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How would you come at that number when PC boxed sales are almost irrelevent and most franchises sold better on the 360 than on PS3 in UK ?
I think it was probably about 95k
Ninja Sharingan
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Ok after seeing the breakdown of tr13 sales, that had a much larger install Base, I have realised that the spin and gloom over the xbox one sales of rotr are pretty extreme. It's no where near as bad as people are making out. I would say it did well on fallout release week
Ghost Slayer
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That's brutal. I admit that I laughed but it's not a good way to make a title
The Strokes
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Bummer. I'm enjoying it so much more than that overhyped Fallout 4. Definitely a more polished game.
Hope it bounces back on whatever console. I need another game like RotTR in my life.
Hope it bounces back on whatever console. I need another game like RotTR in my life.
JackAubrey
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You convinced it would have had the same development budget without Microsoft?
ShogunDarius
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maybe but iirc when they announced the season pass it didnt sound that great, so who knows
instead all the got was bad PR for them and SE and a lot of pissed off gamers
In a way, it is. I was talking about SF and TR because they are third party games locked into deals to benefit a first party.
Nightengale
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Try 100k.
A reboot as a real puzle platformer would be amazing. Also would cost way less then how it looks now.
get2sammyb
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Do you really believe that a franchise like Tomb Raider wouldn't have got a sequel without Microsoft paying for timed exclusivity on it? Really?
Jack The Nipper
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Already predicted it to be under 1 million wew, wonder if it will really be bad. Honestly though the first game wasn't that great nor was it a tomb raider game...
I bought it on sell or did I get it for free on plus? Think I bought it but wasn't pleased.
What is it people see in this?
The holiday time makes it a bit of a wild card. Could see 150k or 350k for npd.
I bought it on sell or did I get it for free on plus? Think I bought it but wasn't pleased.
What is it people see in this?
The holiday time makes it a bit of a wild card. Could see 150k or 350k for npd.
BibiMaghoo
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This. There are probably less than 5 other game that could have stood with it and not been ruined.
Ghost Slayer
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They should choose FFVII Remake, FFXV or KH3 instead (assuming SE was dumb again) if they want to make this happen.
Unknown One
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Hey PS players. We paid lots of money to prevent you from playing this game for a year. Please buy an Xbone.
Hey PC players, you have to wait 3 months
Really? Strange view to have?
"I won't buy this game because it is exclusive to my console for a few months - even though it's a great game this exclusive deal to MY console has pissed me off."
Personally bought it last week and can't wait to play it - after Fallout.
Chubby Rain
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How's this opening week compared to Uncharted 2 & 3's?
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